Andrej Stancak

 Of course, the interview is fatal to the theory that Sarah Stanton was Prayer Man. As I explained in a different thread, it is not worthy to argue about the hair colour or the shape of the hairline as this will end in both sides claiming their points ad infinitum without any resolution. Sarah Stanton was a tall person (given that the average height of females in her age category was 5'2'' in 1963) and it turns out that she was just too tall to be Prayer Man. The most simple way to demonstrate Mrs. Stanton's body height in the doorway is by fitting a measuring stick to Mr. Frazier's body. As his body height was 6' or 6'1/2 '', it is possible to draw a line at 5'5''. The line runs far above Prayer Man's head which reached to 5'2''. This does not mean that Prayer Man was 5'2'' because he stood with his right foot on the second step and therefore, Prayer Man's body height was 5'2'' + 7'' (the height of one step) = 5'9''.   

And if anyone would like to have the same in 3D to account for the factor of perspective, please have a look on my 2006 model illustrating the relationships between a person 5'6'' standing on the top landing and Prayer Man. This analysis shows the same as the simple measuring stick analysis. A person 5'6'' is too tall to be Prayer Man.

Jim:

thanks for posting this audio recording. In spite of containing many leading questions and maneuvering the two ladies to adopt certain views, the interview does contain useful information. Importantly, the interview confirms the authenticity of the photograph in which Mrs. Stanton was photographed with her son Larry. The paragraph below contains the points which the ladies have confirmed:

00:25  Sarah Stanton talked about the assassination with members of her family, it was always the same story.
01:21: Sarah stood on the front steps during the shooting and she left the doorway immediately after the shooting to get a better view.
01:26: Lee Oswald was drinking a soda when he was seen by Sarah.
01:36: Sarah Stanton was a very big woman.
02:08: Sarah Stanton saw Lee Oswald on stairs. She asked if she was going down, and he said he is going upstairs.
02:32: "No, I am going upstairs" "I came down to get the soda and I am going back ... to the room where he was working"    
03:12: Sarah saw Lee Oswald holding a soda in his hand.
04:26: Lee got the soda from the machine there.
05:03: Sarah said Lee was going to eat and he just came to get a soda.
05:48: Sarah asked if Lee was going to have lunch. He said: "No, I am going back to my room."
06:09: "The reason ... She wanna to talk to him because he was a very quiet person... and he was not going to... to have a conversation with nobody".
06:23: "So, she said he never talked, so she asked him if he was going out to lunch. And he said, "No, just a soda". "
07:19: Sarah went down because President was already coming but he was not there yet. So she went to prepare herself and be on the stairs where she met Oswald.
08:15: "He went upstairs".
08:35: When asked if Sarah spoke to the FBI, the answer was "I dont' think so". Wanda explains: "She did not wanna speak. And we don't know her reasons for it... but she did not want to speak to anybody,  and they were harassing her.... not harassing her, but any calls or I don't know they were coming over and trying to get information ... she really did not want to say anything, she did not want to be bothered."
09:50: The ladies could not confirm that Sarah spoke to the FBI.
09:59: Lee Oswald was a very quiet person, did not speak to anybody.
11:41: "We would not know what she told them" (the FBI).
12:23: Confirmed that Sarah was Prayer Man because of the body shape.
12:28: Oswald went up before the motorcade came through.
13:58: When asked to confirm that Sarah had the same characteristics as Prayer Man, both women confirmed.
14:07: Confirmed that Sarah was about 5'5''.
14:37: Sarah could also be 5'6''.
14:49: Sarah herself said she was 5'4'' - 5'6''.
15:00: Agreed that their conclusion that Sarah was Prayer Man was owing to Sarah being taller than other doorway occupants.
15:36: Sarah weighed at least 300 pounds. She was over 300 pounds.
16:11: Sarah was big at the bottom and her hips, less so at her top.  Her arms were big.
16:30: The picture with Sarah and her son Larry is not exactly from 1963 because Sarah was even bigger at that time than when she was photographed with Larry.
17:28: The colour of Sarah's hair was grey in 1963. 
18:41: Not remembered that Sarah would be ever dying her hair. 
19:09: Maybe Sarah had a wig (laughing).
21:26: Did not agree that the face seen in Davidson's enhancement of Wiegman frame was Sarah's face.
22:20: Sarah was looking at the street, not in a purse.
22:30: The ladies think that Prayer Man was a woman.
22:48: Larry was tall over 6 feet.
23:29: Larry was 6'1''.

The audio linked below was posted by Denis Morrisette on FaceBook and Youtube. Ed Shields says that Lee Oswald went up to Mrs. Reid's desk after the assassination and told her that the President has been shot. Lee  spotted a bus at that time and left. Mr. Shields was not a witness to these events, however, he gives the names of people who told him about Lee Oswald's movements after the shooting. It would be much appreciated if anyone would be willing to transcribe this short interview, I am not the best person to do it as I may not hear and interpret some words correctly.

Kudos to Denis for getting this and other good quality audio recordings of HSCA testimonies from NARA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKOeM6zk6S8

Bart:

I can see that you already made up your mind about the people in the doorway. I have added to your picture some lines which delineate the figure of who I think is Mrs. Stanton, just in case you would in future like to consider this option too.

10 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

Andrej if you read their statements then it makes logical sense for any of them to step down and get a better view of Elm just after it happened.

Furthermore she is blond.

But I completely disagree with your drawing.

Shelley and Lovelady are gone. There is no jacket being worn by Molina!

There is no one behind Frazier and Molina.

Williams made his way up to the 4th floor. I have looked at the images and see no human shape or form in front of Molina like there is in Wiegman (where Williams stood in front of Molina).

Bart:

the Darnell scene could not change too much during the time which elapsed from the end of Wiegman till when Darnell captured the doorway, some 20 seconds. What the people in the doorway did (except Prayer Man) was that they optimised their views of the Tripple Underpass. The ladies in the lower eastern part of the doorway turned their heads more towards their right side. Mrs. Reese walked up from the sixth to the third step to tackle the problem that she was short and needed an elevated vantage point. Carl Jones left entirely after Wiegman and moved in direction of the Grassy Knoll. Otis Williams is at a similar spot in Darnell as he was in Altgens and Wiegman, he only changed arms; he was shielding his eyes with his right arm in Altgens and he used his left arm in Darnell. Mr. Frazier was close to the glass window, deep in the shadow in Wiegman, and he moved forwards to the spot which was occupied by Billy Lovelady seconds earlier. Billy Lovelady is seen stepping down at end of Wiegman, however, he stopped and is on the fifth step in Darnell. Joe Molina stepped down one step and rotated his torso towards his right and this together with Darnell's camera view angle causes him to be viewed from the profile. Mrs. Saunders moved slightly more towards the west so she is seen close to the middle door window in Darnell, and cannot be seen in Wiegman or Altgens. In Wiegman, she fell into the "dead space", a space not seen by Wiegman's camera. In Altgens, her small figure is hidden behind Shelley's figure. Mr. Shelley wore a suit, and he stood in the centre of the top landing throughout the films. Mrs. Stanton stood between Billy Lovelady and  Bill Shelley in Altgens and stepped back into the shadow and behind Mr. Shelley's right shoulder just before Darnell  film was shot.

As far as the two men seen in Couch/Darnell who you consider to be Shelley and Lovelady, I also believed that they would be them. I was mistaken. The man in suit is taller than the other man wearing the shirt which cannot be. Bill Shelly was only 5'6'', he was shorter than Billy Lovelady. Billy Lovelady had a disticnt forward head posture (a hunch) which that man in Couch/Darnell does not have.

While I was at ROKC, there was a gentleman there, I guess his name was Lee Farley. He was the first to raise the possibility that the man close to the western wall on the fifth step was Billy Lovelady. His suggestion did not fare well at that time, however, after looking at the film frames and checking all the details later, including the body height, I think Mr. Farley was correct and deserves a credit for his discovery.

If you would wish to discard Williams, Molina, Shelley and Lovelady as the doorway occupants in Darnell, you would need to say who are the people which are now unlabelled.

Jim Hargrove:

you are being used by that individuum. If you cannot evaluate Prayer Man data yourself, what is left to you is to automatically condone that person's diatribes.

I asked you to provide evidence for the statements provided by the family members of Mrs. Sarah Stanton and for the possibility to contact them. You work with John Amstrong and know very well that everything you say or write needs to be provable. Facebook is not a reliable source of research data. Please ask your source to provide recordings of phone calls, screenshots of emails, and the contact details for family members so that we can verify data and use them further.

Do you agree with your source that the height of a human head is 7 1/2 inch? Have you measured the height of your head to confirm your contact's allegations?

Bart:

I am not sure if your location of Sarah Stanton in Darnell is plausible. Of course, the pictures are blurred to the extent that it is difficult to understand who is who. The light object which you have highlighted may be Joe Molina. Please see all doorway frames in Darnell and you may see that this person has stepped down one step about 10 frames earlier. I have played the doorway part of Darnell many times to understand this and all other details. It looks like this person is shielding his eyes with an arm, however, in fact, he uses both his arms but since he is seen from the profile, it looks like he is using one arm only. This is what Mr. Molina did in Altgens and Wiegman, and what he continues to do in Darnell. 

Please find here an overlay of the particular Darnell frame with the 3D model. It helps, at least me, to visualise the body contours in blurred blobs. 

... and the full model:

I modelled various  body heights of Prayer Man for the situation if Prayer man stood with both his feet on the top landing in my blog article dated April 2016 (http://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com).  In the figure below, copied from my blog post, Prayer Man has been set to measure 5'6'', only an inch more than the height estimate of 5'5'' (Mrs. Stanton). However, a range of 5'4'' - 5''6'' was provided by Mrs. Stanton's family and therefore, the example is relevant. The horizontal blue line is the line crossing the top of Prayer Man's head in Darnell still. One can easily see that the height difference between 5'6'' and 5'2'' invalidates the possibility of such person to be Prayer Man.

This is a simple variation on the theme of Mrs. Stanton' appearance in the doorway if she had posed as Prayer Man. It is a very simple analysis which anyone can replicate. We know that Mr. Frazier was 6' tall and can use this known dimension to place a measuring stick in such a way that the 6'  tick aligns with the top of Mr. Frazier's head. In the next, Mrs. Stanton's figure, cut from the garden photograph, is placed into the scene in such a way that the top of her head aligns with the 5'5'' tick. The yellow and purple horizontal lines highlight the problem: the yellow line connects the tip of Prayer Man's head with the lower edge of Mr. Frazier's head, something which has been demonstrated many times and it is well acknowledged. This line crosses the measuring stick at 5'2''. The purple line is, of course, 3'' higher than the yellow line. Mrs. Stanton with her 5'5'' was too tall to be Prayer Man. In the figure below, the top of Mrs. Stanton head was taken simply as the top of her hair. The 5'5'' line is actually what matters most in this example. One can also use this simple analysis to estimate the height of Mr. Frazier's head. It was 10''. 

Let us now move the whole garden picture to the east so that the face of Mrs. Stanton would be close to Mr. Shelley's figure in the centre of the doorway. 

The face of Mrs. Stanton is delineated with a yellow line to indicate the relative height of her face if she stood back there in the shadow. The inset in the right part of the picture is from another Darnell frame which shows a blurred head of a person who stood behind Mr. Shelley's right shoulder. The inset is aligned to match the figure of Mr. Frazier. The red half-circle is where a faint contour of a head is seen (please see http://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com for more details). Mrs. Stanton's face would match the height at which this faint face can be seen. Mrs. Stanton stood in the shadow, very close to Mr. Frazier, just as he told in his 2013 interview. 

The figure below (C) shows where the face of Mrs. Stanton was in that particular frame. I understand that some researchers would like to have a clear view of Mrs. Stanton to confirm the identity, unfortunately, no frame shows any details. This is the reason why her figure has not been identified for 54 years. If it would all be simple and straightforward, she would have been already spotted by previous generations of researchers.

And so, Larry was 6' as was also Buell Wesley Frazier. Let us fit Larry onto Mr. Frazier's figure in Darnell, as they were of the same body height, and we will see how would Mrs. Stanton fare as Prayer Man. 

In the figure above, the garden picture was overlayed onto the doorway together with the measuring stick. Larry was fitted onto Mr. Frazier and the rest is determined by the dimensions of both photographs. Please note the thin blue line aligned horizontally with the top of Prayer Man's head. It crosses the measuring stick at 5'2''. Mrs. Stanton would never make it as Prayer Man. She is just too tall to be Prayer Man. I am not mentioning other details such as body build and hairlines which are so much different in Mrs. Stanton compared to Prayer Man, however, this is because I would not like to be involved in silly games: "I say the hairlines are identical" and " And I say the hairlines are different" - this is a typical ego game usually ending with locking a thread.

And this is all she wrote. Prayer Man could be neither Mrs. Saunders nor Mrs. Stanton. So, who was Prayer Man?

Mrs. Stanton was a tall person, however, her son Larry was even taller which is not surprising. He was a male and children often are taller than parents. The question is how much was Larry taller than Mrs. Stanton. I have analysed the body heights of both these figures in detail and it appears that Mrs. Stanton's head reached about to the middle of the naso-labial space, the space between the bottom of the nose and upper lip of the mouth. The sizes of human heads are known as well as the distances between the top of the head to the bottom of the nose. Here are some data:

The difference between the dimension labelled (14) and the dimension labelled (16) is about 6 1/2 inch for tall people (the relevant values framed with ellipses).  However, how tall was Larry?

The figure below shows the method of estimation of Larry's body height using the 7.5 head-to-body ratio which I have used in several of my previous posts.  I used the 7.5 ratio to estimate the ground level in the garden picture of Mrs. Stanton and  her son. I then also applied the same method to Mrs. Stanton. The top of the heads is a bit difficult to estimate because both people had bushy hair which could be pressed by an inch lower to the skull. Therefore, I took the half of the distance between the forehead hairline and the top of hair as the estimate of the top of the head. In the next,  a measuring stick was placed next to Mrs. Stanton who we know measured between 5'4 - 5'6''. The middle of the range (5'5'') was taken to align with the top of Mrs. Stanton's head. At this stage, it was possible to read Larry's body height, and it was 6'.  It could also be slightly more tahn 6' but not more than 1''. 

The two pink rectangles are the nose-to-nose differences between the two prople. One of the rectangle is placed close to the measuring stick to allow reading.  The nose-to-nose distance was 7''. I use nose-to-nose distance to compare the body height difference because the tips of the noses can be reliably identified in both figures, unlike the tops of the heads.

So, let us make a small math: 6' = 72''. 72'' - 7'' = 65''. And 65'' is 5' 5'', which is Mrs. Stanton's body height. 

Let us look further into Mrs. Stanton's appearance. Linda Zambanini, after months of intense effort and with sacrifices, was able to link one picture, currently posted on Find A Grave server, with Mrs. Stanton. That picture is shown in the left-hand panel in the figure below. Sarah was photographed as a child with her younger siblings. Later, one former member of the Forum posted on Facebook ("PrayerWoman" page) another picture of Mrs. Stanton. Mrs. Stannton was photographed with a young man, allegedly her son Larry. The family of Mrs. Stanton conferred that Mrs. Stanton was a tall woman between 5'4'' and 5'6''. 

I took some time to compare the faces of these two females and, in my opinion, both pictures depict the same person, once when she was a child and once when she was older. The signs which confirm the identity are highlighted with yellow lines in the figure below: curling of hair on sides of the forehead, distinct cheeks, mouth situated deep in the face,  the line of the mouth (and a constant smile), and the chin protruding forwards. As a result of the chin-cheek-mouth configuration, there appeared to be a shadow lateral to the corners of the mouth. These strong features are important not only because they confirm the identity of Mrs. Sanders but also that these facial features should be present in any new picture of Mrs. Stanton.

The childhood picture shows few interesting details. First, young Sarah used to or liked to wear glasses, perhaps sunglasses. The sunglasses have a white frame. Similar white-frame sunglasses can be seen on the left-hand woman in the double picture (5/31)  which, however, was not confirmed yet Linda that it would show Mrs. Stanton. Further, Sarah had a relatively short forearm compared to the length of the forearm which both Prayer Man and Lee Harvey Oswald) had. Lee' forearm was 10-15% longer than it should be for a man of his body height.

6 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Where do you think Stanton was?

Jim:

you may wish to check my analysis of the locations and body heights of Mrs. Stanton and Mrs. Sanders: http://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com (January 31).

21 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

This is serious new evidence

Jim:

what is the serious new evidence, what is your source's biased interpretation, and what is your translation of what you were told? Would you please put down the factographic evidence and allow other researchers to contact the grand daughter to verify all information independently. I would know whom to ask to act as an independent investigator, and would be happy to supply some questions.

Screenshots of emails, recordings of phone conversations and the opportunity to ask questions independently is what is required for members of this forum to pursue this further. The new information is certainly surprising in the light of what Mrs. Stanton told to the FBI (report in WC, CD7): "She knows LEE HARVEY OSWALD by sight, being employed by the same concern, but is not personally acquainted with him and did not see OSWALD on November 22, 1963, and she never seen him with a gun." and in another FBI statement (3/18/1964): I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at that time or at any time during that day."

How does this fare with what the grand daugher of Mrs. Stanton says? What is the truth?

Now, the timing of the encounter between Mrs. Stanton and Lee Oswald is interesting. We know that Mrs. Stanton was outside with Bill Shelley around or just very shortly after 12noon because when Billy Lovelady came to the first floor (before 12noon), he only washed his hands, went up to buy a Coke, took his lunch, peeked into the Domino room, and went out because there he saw Mrs. Stanton with mr. Shelley. If Billy was slow, he would be out at 12.10-12.15 as the latest:

Mr. BALL - What did you do after you went down and washed up; what did you do? 
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I went over and got my lunch and went upstairs and got a coke and come on back down. 
Mr. BALL - Upstairs on what floor? 
Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there. 
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?  

I am not sure and cannot know if Mrs. Stanton met Lee Oswald and when on that Friday. If she saw and talked to Lee, it could be that Lee Oswald replicated Billy Lovelady's actions - went down around 12noon (he was seen by Mr. Shelley close to the phone) and went back to the second floor to buy a Coke (just like Billy Lovelady), and returned down to the domino room to have his lunch. He bought the Coke for the lunch. If the story you present here is true, we have a clear evidence that the witnesses lied or were coerced to lie about seeing Lee Oswald. They could likewise see him in the doorway and then deny it.

David (L):

Thank you for your explanations of Lee's deceptive behaviour and of the impact it had on Marina. Your first-hand, direct encounters with Marina is something which cannot be substituted with any amount of reading. 

I cannot wait for the Final Charade to be published. I certainly do not need to remind you, however, with the amount of detailed knowledge which you have, it is important that it gets to the public.

In the meantime, notwithstanding how funny it may sound to many people, I will continue analysing blurred images with the hope to show Lee outside...

Addendum: And in case that no one has thanked you for the therapeutic coming out you provided to Marina, I thank you.

If there were no rifle traceable to Lee Oswald, his framing would not be feasible. Thus, Lee had to have (own) the rifle at some points. However, it is also true that there were obvious problems with the paper trail related to the purchase of this rifle which has been convincingly demonstrated by John Amstrong. In my view, it is one more example of Lee's deceptive actions: the rifle was traceable to his post box via A.J. Hidell, however, the documents would not prove that he, in fact, had purchased that rifle. Thus, if Lee's case would ever come to a trial, the rifle would most likely be dismissed as evidence against him as there were major discrepancies regarding the purchase of the rifle, summarised by Jim. 

The backyard pictures also bear a mark of plausible denial. Lee was photographed by Marina with his rifle, handgun and two newspapers on March 30. However, the photographs clearly show major problems suggesting photographic manipulations, which Jack White and others have shown, also convincingly. Lee immediately pointed out to the falsification of the pictures during the interrogations and said he would demonstrate the manipulations when the time came. Unfortunately, the time never came. The point is that the backyard pictures were both genuine and manipulated, and would be dismissed as evidence during a trial based on the latter. With Marina not testifying against his husband, the backyard photographs would not be admissible in a trial against Lee Oswald.

This is how Lee had been moving in the world which was harsh, secretive and very dangerous - he agreed to risky moves but always ensured that there was a plausible deniability intertwined in the matter. I strongly believe that Lee Oswald was not on the sixth floor during the shooting but that he had some foreknowledge of some risky enterprise, such as a phony assassination attempt on the President. So, how did he ensure plausible deniability for himself in that case? Well, I guess he went out just when shots rang out and let himself filmed. A man who was positively outside during or just after the shooting could not be the shooter, phony or real.

24 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Good points

John: 

I posted the head size data because some researchers want us to believe that a person sized 6' could have a head measuring only 7'' in height. These people do not even bother to measure their own heads. Perhaps, they are not able to do it because their own heads are also only 7'' and store microcephalic brains? In any case, the evidence for those people is "I say it and therefore it is a valid evidence". If you would ask for a source for their head size claims, you would receive none. 

20 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Good points Andrej.

But, what do you do with the folks that say Lee Harvey Oswald had a 13 inch head based on one of his Marine photos?

John: 

this issue has been discussed at length by Sandy and David Josephs and few other members on the famous "Oswald leaving ..." thread which is now buried among other old threads. It has to do with reading dimensions of a 3D object from a 2D picture which often leads to misinterpretations. 

If I may intrude, Lee Oswald constantly behaved as a "spy in his own mind" in Bill Simpich's words. Lee's behaviour was a continuous string of deceptions. Eventually, this has made him vulnerable and somebody used his three-life profile to make him a patsy. Lee conferred to his mother that not even Marina knew why he went to Soviet Union. Marina did not know about Lee's visits to 544 Camp Street, his visit to Bringuire's shop and Lee's offer to train anti-Cubans in guerrilla wars, and she did not know about the termination of his job at Reilley's coffee company, or his trip to Jackson with David Ferry. Lee's deceptive behaviour was his trademark and the only real skill he had. Lee was an avid viewer of "I led three lives" which gave him a template for his life: to pretend to be a Communist, to have some contacts with intelligence, and to be a family man. This is what Philbrick did. Philbrick eventually broke his cover and testified against a communist cell, and this is most likely what Lee had in mind in the long run. When Lee returned from the Soviet Union, he was surprised that there were no newsmen there as he genuinely believed he played his Philbrick-like role well and deserved a credit. Lee behaved deceptively on the 22nd of November as well. His asking Givens about why people gather at the Plaza was a clever deception: at that time there allegedly were no people at Dealey Plaza. This scene does not have any sense unless one understands that Lee was always creating deceptions. One can interpret Lee's asking as the lack of any knowledge about Kennedy's motorcade (that would make him innocent), or as a callous attempt on his part to make himself unaware of a motorcade which Givens could prove later during the interrogations which Lee could have anticipated. Lee disappeared from the Depository within a very short time (3 minutes?), not even waiting what people have to say about what happened to the President. He went to the Texas Theater but he went first to his rooming house to take his gun. Is it normal to go to the cinema with a gun? Lee offered a lady the taxi cab which made him look being in no hurry, however, he asked the driver to drop him off a block past his rooming house. Is this a normal behaviour? I could continue on and on describing Lee's petty deceptions which made him feel to be a spy. And he was a spy, a spy in his own mind. Marina had also conferred that Lee was full of secrets. Thus, not telling Marina about Presidential motorcade passing the depository is not a surprise.  

Governor John Connally is deeply concerned about something in both these pictures, indeed. His emotional expression contrasts with the happy mood of the President and the First Lady. His alleged exclamation to the effect "My God, they are going to kill us all" during the shooting can also be interpreted in the sense that he was worried about the mortal danger to the President but not to himself earlier at Love Fields. This had changed suddenly to the realisation that he also might have been targetted.    

I guess that Paz has already asked the question if Mayor Earle Cabell had played any role in planning and approving the motorcade route.  In his phone call with Chief Curry during the time when Lee Oswald was led for his execution, Cabell discussed with Curry a torch parade on that night. If Cabell was involved in planning/approving a parade to commemorate President Kennedy, didn't he also take part in approving the motorcade route?

2 hours ago, David Lifton said:

It shows Connally standing beneath the wing of AF-1, with his wife to his right (camera-left); and you can just see, from the look on his face, that he is clearly distressed (if not frightened).

It is still worthy to revise some basic facts which alone provide a good hint how tall Prayer Man was. Since we know Mr. Frazier's body height (6' - 6' 1/2') we can roughly estimate Prayer Man's height by subtracting from Mr. Frazier's height 10 inches. Why 10 inches? This is because the top of Prayer Man's head aligns with the horizontal line crossing Mr. Frazier's shoulder line, and in the specific view of Darnell, also the lowest point of his head. The following table was extracted from Wikipedia. It shows the vertical sizes of human heads for males and females of different body heights. The right-hand table refers to inches, the left-hand panel gives the same in cm. The green column in the centre of the table corresponds to people with an average body height, and the values to the right to the tall people.

Adapted from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_head