Joe Bauer

Bingo! Bravo! Right On!

I think I have read that the casket, with or without a body inside, was super heavy. Hundreds of pounds. I believe it would require a strenuous effort to lift and carry it either way. Bethesda Dr. Humes himself did not describe lifting JFK's body out of such a huge, ornate bronze casket. JFK was delivered to the autopsy exam room in a plain casket. 3 or more eyewitnesses to his room arrival and body lifting testified to this.

One thing that befuddles me is how those who think any suggestion that people in our own government would want or have anything to do with the killing of JFK and RFK is nut case preposterous seem to pretend the following "reality" isn't true or even if true would not be important or acted upon: We know the level of hatred for the Kennedy brothers was so deep, even in our own government, that when they were killed, many of these JFK and RFK haters cheered! Bill Harvey's wife is quoted in her later years repeating her and her husband's shared feelings toward JFK and Bobby and even Jackie Kennedy as "scum." This is many years after JFK and RFK were killed. No old age reflection remorse or sympathy for widowed young mother Jackie Kennedy even after that many years? Now that's deep hatred. Where as she and her husband perversely considered Mafiosi Johnny Roselli a "true patriot!" ??? Mafia loyalty before JFK? Retired and drinking David Morales tells his childhood friend "we got that SOB" referring to RFK. Frank Sturgis reminded Morita Lorenz of what happens to rats regarding the JFK event. We all could easily name another 100 highly placed others in our government that hated the Kennedys so deeply, their murders brought no remorse or regret to their mind sets. Besides the wealthy and powerful corrupt part of our society ( Mafia, segregationists, far right political groups, richest men on Earth Texas Oil, etc. ) so many in our own government ( throw in Hoover and Dulles and even LBJ ) hating the Kennedy's to no remorse over their killing degree, one is forced through rational thought to consider this Kennedy hatred "reality" in some realm of motive contemplation. If not one person in our own government had anything to do with the JFK and RFK assassinations, it wasn't for lack of deepest level Kennedy hatred. If Oswald acted alone or the American people could be convinced of this finding, everyone else who may have been involved is free and clear and out of the suspicion circle. That is the reality we have been left with.

Never invested much consideration and study into the Bush In Dealey Plaza theory. The opposite regards the 3 tramp/Lansdale one. However, I have always felt the question of G.H.W. Bush's connection to the CIA even before 11,22,1963 was of extreme importance. As I mentioned earlier, when you look at Bush's extraordinary steady and successful rise into some of the most powerful positions of highest level federal appointment it strongly suggest outside influence and help imo. The man was a perfect choice for intelligence recruitment. Son of right wing Repub. Senator Prescott Bush, Yale grad, war hero, Texas oil money inbedded ... get real here.

Trump is going WELL BEYOND all the most dire warnings of post election loss attacking, denial, disrupting and even vindictive "getting back" punishing tantrum words, action and behavior. Trump's niece Mary Trump predicted this ominous election loss reaction and behavior but not to this incessant and aggressive degree. Trump's news briefing talk yesterday was more delusional and mistrust sowing than ever! I noticed most of our mainstream media ( outside of Trump bashing MSNBC and Trump supporting Fox News which you would expect ) most that I have seen on TV or the internet are still not reporting Trump's super aggressive rigged election conspiracy promoting as anything more wrong and damaging than not. No consensus outrage at all. Not even close. As outrageous and damaging as Trump's disturbed election loss tantrum behavior is, most Americans have to come to this reality on their own without the services of our supposedly truth informing 4th estate.

HA HA HA HA HA !!! Now THAT was HILARIOUS! BINGO - BRAVO - RIGHT ON!

There seems to be so much credible corroborating testimony regarding Lifton's timeline for separate arrivals of the Jackie/RFK ambulance versus JFK's actual body, how is there any room for any worthy alternative view debate?

Fascinating footage. In my viewing of this video footage I thought I saw a black, navy capped fellow giving a "very brief" one or two seconds helping hand in the move of the casket from the lift into the back of the ambulance. He is present next to the casket on the main airplane wing side for that second and then steps back behind the ambulance out of view.

Agree. I fairly accurately guessed what Bloomberg was up to entering the Democratic party primary race for less than three months and spending close to a billion dollars in so doing. To dillute voter support for Sanders and Warren. His most feared financial interests and political threats, even more than Trump imo. He successfully did so and got his man in. Even though it was via a plurality vote only. Biden was not a big first choice for most Democrats until Sanders and Warren were thoroughly marginalized and all we had left was him. Biden is a corporate guy and not "the little guy" defending person much more than people know. Always has been. The progressive wing of the Democratic party got screwed.

What stress, anxiety, anger, division, doubt and mistrust feeding crap will Trump and his rigged election claiming conspiracy goons throw out to the entire nation today? It is tragic but true this is an expected daily occurance with this conflict loving Commander In Chief president. The most conflict, division, mistrust, anger, stress and anxiety creating and feeding one in our history... by far! And all on top of the most entire society stressing, scaring and exhausting event in American history since WW II - the Covid Virus. It's gut wrenching sickening. It truly is.

So true.

Lot of smoke regards the possible presence in Dallas and Dealey Plaza of many intriguing characters on, near or right after 11,22,1963. David Phillips, self-confessed "bench warmer" E. Howard Hunt, Bill Harvey, Edward Lansdale, Rip Roberston, Poppy Bush, Richard Nixon at the Pepsi convention, Johnny Roselli and reportedly even J.Edgar Hoover himself at a Clint Murchison house party the night of 11,21,1963, etc. Eugene Hale Brading ( a mob connected felon with a side office in New Orleans ) just happened to have checked into the Teamster's owned Cabana Motel in Dallas the day before 11,22,1963 ( with Ruby going to the same mob owned Cabana Motel that night for a drink ) and who just happened to visit H. L Hunt's offices and then just happened to choose the Dealey Plaza Houston and Elm street location to hang around in when JFK was shot? 8 miles of JFK's motorcade route through Dallas, and mob connected Brading chooses the one specific small spot where JFK is taken out to see JFK drive by? And who knows about other violent JFK haters such as Rose Cherami/Mac Manual identified Sergio Arcacha Smith and "Osanta" Emilio Santanta and their ilk? Dealey Plaza seemed to be the cool place to be for many eccentric JFK admiriers and haters ( remember the manic pumping protesting umbrella man? ) to see the motorcade. A Joseph Milteer look-a-like on Houston Street scowls at JFK as he drives by. Carousel Club girl Beverly Oliver, an afflicted epileptic, a stalled plumbing truck young man who takes a gun case out of the back and disappears with this up over the grassy knoll, a beret wearing black man who steps out beyond the curb to animatedly wave at JFK a split second before and right at the point where JFK is hit the first time and who then sits down inches next to the Umbrella Man ( who he didn't know ) as soon as JFK is hit and is raced off. And who is then seen walking away with a Walkie Talkie radio stuffed down the back of his pants? Army enlisted man Gordon Arnold claims he was confronted by a Secret Service man behind the picket fence above the grassy knoll just before the shooting and a uniformed Dallas PD officer seconds after. Dallas PD officers Joe Smith and D.V Harkness testified they confronted men who claimed to be Secret Service just after the shooting above and behind the grassy knoll. Dallas county sheriff Roger Craig claims he saw a dark complexioned man driving a Rambler station wagon picking up a Lee Harvey Oswald look-a-like who is running down to Elm coming from around the side of theTexas School Book Depository building just minutes after the shooting. Deaf-mute Ed Hoffman unsuccessfully tried to get the police to react to his claim of seeing two men behind the picket fence seconds after the shooting with an exchange of a rifle that was then broken down and placed in a fixed, standing railroad yard tool box. Yup, Dallas, Texas (and specifically Dealey Plaza the morning and mid-day of 11,22,1963) was the place to be for a whole theater troupe of eccentric and suspicious background and acting characters it seemed.

Whoa. Much to contemplate in this video. Frightening stuff.

In the top photo, all one has to do is look at the airplanes in the framed picture on the wall behind the men. Drawing straight lines horizontally from each man's head you can easily see the relative heights of each man. Allan Dulles has a bigger, thicker body than Lansdale, with high shoulders, but he's no taller than Lansdale in total height. Lansdale's neck and head are longer and bring his height up to the 6ft.2 inch height of Dulles. Lansdale has relatively small and narrow shoulders. By the way, Clay Shaw ( Clay Bertrand ) was built like Dulles, only bigger and taller! Shaw was hulking with thick high horizontal plane shoulders. Jim Garrison at 6 ft. 6 in. was taller than Clay Shaw, but not extremely so. I'd say Shaw was 6 ft. 3 in. to 6 ft. 4 in.

True in all these respects imo. Trump killed Hillary and Biden in most all of the rural areas of the country. The percentage of white and poor white people is much higher in this part of the U.S. However, the large urban areas contain most of our population now and the ethnic make up is often majority non-white. California is over 51+% Hispanic now. With whites, blacks, asians, native Americans and others filling in the other 48%. It's true that the traditional California family dinner meal is no longer mom's home cooked meat loaf, mashed potatoes, peas and carrots, but more often enchiladas, tacos, beans and rice. Which (after eating both for years now as a California resident) I am a lover of both! I am getting used to Spanish language and music radio stations too and which are half the radio stations now as well. You have to learn the basics of Spanish because every day you interact with non-english/spanish speaking only people everywhere. It's a strange language and cultural shift in just two generations but you can't change it back. The ethnic influx numbers have long ago surpassed a line to a "no return" degree imo. The Repubs have been playing the race card for decades now to the rest of the country. Angering and scaring white Americans every day 24/7 mostly through massive and incessant right wing political radio talk show propaganda ( Limbaugh, Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingram, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, etc. etc. ) that our country is no longer a mostly European lineage and culture Caucasion one with millions of illegals flooding in unstopped for decades now. Bush and especially Trump were all in - in this racial boogieman political fear propaganda campaign tactic. Yes, it is a numbers game. White Americans are not reproducing near as much as the other ethnic groups are. Black Americans are not really increasing in numbers as much as the new immigrant wave either.

Wow...that's close. However, the forehead front, side and upperr crown back hair line is receded higher and farther back in the Bush 1962 pic imo. That's the only difference that I can see.

Gait recognition technology uses surveillance cameras to identify individuals by the way they walk. And it's unbelievably accurate. This is why the Chinese government is implementing the technology to identify and watch their citizens. ... Your walking style is an identifying characteristic just as much as your DNA.Nov 14, 2018 The best way to identify someone is by the way they walk, not ... Researchers Say Gait Recognition System Offers 99.3% Accuracy. ... The researchers' trained their AI system on a 20,000-footstep database based on 127 individuals, and found that it could identify a certain sample of these individuals with an accuracy of about 99.3 percent.May 28, 2018 Researchers Say Gait Recognition System Offers 99.3 ... findbiometrics The 3 tramp/walking by man photo in Dealey Plaza is of course only a still shot. Yet, it is a very clear and bright, light and shadow contrast and detail showing "full body" shot of a man depicting entire head, shoulder, arm, and hand to toe body motion and who is right in the middle of his stride. And a fairly up close shot as well. I wonder if such a photo ( even though it's a still shot ) could be accurately useful in gait identity technology application in this case?

Give em heck Kathy! Slap that boy down! You GO GIRL!

At what point do rational people ( even Trump voters) realize the truly extreme irrationality mind-set and actions of Trump in denying the reality that this 2020 Presidential election is over and was not rigged? Believing the election was rigged (despite hugely overwhelming documented proof that it wasn't ) is "one level" of irrational thinking. Taking this belief beyond simple thinking to a level of super aggressive actionable efforts of multi-state legal filings, law suits and other legal team wranglings, pressuring even Republican party state officials to pursue this unprovable agenda, speeches to the nation in press briefings where Trump continually still says he won the election and demanding hearings as high as the Supreme Courts is irrational to another, truly pathological and delusional degree. This aggressive, disturbing and sad denial of reality action reminds me of old newsreel clips of Hitler going off into fits of fist shaking, twisted red faced, spittle spewing rage at his generals when they were telling him they were losing the war and must begin to accept that fact and plan for some type of concessions of surrender. Ve have new weapons that will turn the war! Enlist two million of our pre-teen boys! They have the will to keep fighting unlike you cowards! Go get that defeatest coward Rommel and let him choose his choice of elimination! I wonder if more and more of Trump's staff have reached the defeat acceptance reality mind set, yet are too afraid to say anything more about it to avoid the Denier In Chief's firing wrath. This super aggressive and expensive post election denial of reality election effort by our president is ... well ... madness. And it's so unneccessarily further damaging and stressing our already covid damaged, stressed and exhausted country even more. Now that is tragic. I would hope that our national media in complete and timed unison will soon acknowledge this sad irrational Trump denial of reality campaign in it's true nation stressing and damaging context and uniformally report and condemn it in front page outrage headline ways.

So true.

We now have anatomical structure, build and movement ( walking gait ) identity technology that is so advanced and proven it is used in surveillance in public areas. We all already know about eye scan, hand print, voice identity and of course DNA technology etc. All advanced enough to successfully identify people beyond just fingerprints. Yet, now, even a person's gait and other body movements can be analyzed against known computer generated data bases and scientifically measured to help single out a person's true identity. Using such technology we could determine whether the 11,22,1963 Dealey Plaza 3 Tramp walk-by man is Lansdale or not. There are so many still photos of Lansdale ( front and backside views ) and I am assuming at least a few video's of him walking as well. Ahh but as always who has the money to afford such a project? Certainly none of us forum members.

I think everyone here knows GHWB was CIA and from a relatively young age, certainly in November, 1963. GHWB was born and bred into this dual life of high level business wealth and government intelligence and political office seeking life. Like the Kennedy's, he was born into a wealthy politically powerful New England family life. Ivy league educated. War hero. His father Prescott Bush was a senator of great influence and power. His mother's Pierce family was wealthy as well. Bush's super rapid and easy ascent into the highest levels of appointed and elective office positions just shouts connections and pre-determined placement. Congressman, ambassador to the UN, head of the RNC, appointed head liason to China, involvement with the Bay of Pigs, VP under Reagan, head of the CIA, President. It was everything and all too easy imo. All the while increasing his oil wealth and making great friends of Saudi Shieks. Isn't it obvious that certain persons are chosen for future high level political placement and their path is cleared ahead of time for this by the real powers to be?

When the actions you mention are put into a coincidental timeline and connected agenda sequence they clearly do seem related. And with Trump going way more bananas in his super aggressive election and conceding refusal fight and efforts to sabotage the whole process one cannot dismiss a December surprise as you mention without some doubt. It's more disturbing than ever. I ( and I'm sure most Americans ) really didn't believe Trump would go this far and act so aggressively in this effort, beyond even the most ominous predictions of his trying this. Trump wrenches people guts with his super agressive constant conflict and fight behavior. He obviously enjoys creating chaos and seeing everyone fighting each other. The man seems to have a lot of Loki ( Norse God of mischief and chaos ) in his DNA.

I recently viewed on You Tube a video of a JFK conference Prouty was a dais speaker at along with John Judge and about 3 other speakers along with one moderator. This was not too long after Oliver Stone's JFK film came out. Prouty was continully bashed by one other speaker ( a journalist I believe who also bashed Oliver Stone's JFK film ) and another film critic lady who wasn't as sword slashing of Prouty as the male critic but still discounting of Prouty as well. John Judge was all in supportive of Prouty. Several things impressed me with Prouty in his presentation and responses back to his dais detractors. One, his never losing his cool at all and never attacking his attackers in anyway like they did him. And I listened closely to the points Prouty was making and the way he did so. He was very "measured" and calm with thoughtful pauses in his speaking. Not mental lapse pauses, but rather cautious ones such as one would expect from a career military man who was often called on to share highly important information with high command others and to coordinate such meetings as a liason, even with the WH security councel I believe. A practiced professional who had to keep his cool and know his stuff due to the importance of the information he was sharing and it's serious consequential action potential. An audience member shouted a question to Prouty regarding Prouty earlier stating he knew the deeper background information of some key matter and/or the identities of a couple of person's involved in it. Prouty, knowingly risking some credibility loss, still refused to divulge fully what he knew when pressed not just by the questioner but by his attacking detractor sitting next to him as well, because it was an area of intelligence that to that day he couldn't divulge. He kept his military secrets oath, at least in this particular question incident. Prouty always kept his oath respect and military bearing imo. Prouty's answers and belief points were not unsure ones and when you listened closely to them, they were backed up with credible background facts. Prouty's detractors on the panel on the other hand actually looked and sounded less credible and knowledgable than Prouty the longer the presentation went on. After all, the detractors were just film and political critics where as Prouty was the real deal military high command insider. Personally interacting with Allan Dulles, General Lansdale, general Victor Krulak and others etc. ... for years! And John Judge really went after the two Prouty and Oliver Stone critics as well, and exposed their much more shallow knowledge of everything he and Prouty were positing. Prouty just presented himself very professionally. He always did in interviews and conferences. A classy person in this way.

Cory. I just edited my post removing the saracastic comment about Trump. I realized such things should be kept in the "56 years" thread. Isn't the letter that Prouty released to the public that we see a copy of in Kirk G's earlier post evidence? The letter supposedly was written by General Victor Krulak and sent to Prouty in response to Prouty sending Krulak at least the photo we see in Kirk's link. The three tramp with man walking by in Dealey Plaza one. Evidence of either Prouty forging Krulak's written response IDing the man in the photo as Lansdale and destroying Prouty's credibility, OR evidence that Krulak truly did write this letter and the affirmation of his belief that the suited man in the photo was Lansdale and actually enhancing Prouty's credibility. And if Krulak truly did write the Lansdale ID affirmation letter to Prouty and yet is later quoted as calling Prouty's Lansdale in Dealy Plaza theory "Kooky" ...evidence that Krulak himself has credibility issues. Or at least disloyalty ones to old friends...like Prouty?