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Just an aside DA. Not informed in the area of the Oswald item inventory discovered in the Paine's garage. However, I thought I saw one or two long tool handles sticking out of one of the barrels in some picture of the inside of the garage. Having a barrel of some type to store long handled garden and other tools is a very common practice. I have often used one for my garden tools such as shovels, hoes, brooms, rakes, etc. It is the best way to keep them together, out of the way and yet accessible when you need them. Probably meaningless as many of my postings are...but well intentioned.

To me, Sylvia Odio was quite convincing, especially in her Warren Commission testimony. And her younger sister Annie who was there when the three men visited Sylvia's apartment backed her up. Annie couldn't remember the names of the three visitors as Sylvia had two of them, but when this sister saw a picture of Oswald in the papers after the assassination Sylivia testified her sister almost fainted out of fear because the picture she was seeing looked exactly like the "American" who was one of the three men who came to Sylvia Odio's apartment on 9,25,1963. Sylivia Odio testified to the Warren Commission on July 22nd, 1964. She was confident, well spoken and seemingly sure and clear about what she had witnessed regards the three men visiting her apartment on 9,25,1963. When asked, Odio turned down an offer to be represented by an attorney during her WC testimony. Put yourself in Sylvia Odio's place that day. To be questioned by high authority figures about such an important historical matter ( with her own personal safety still an issue) anyone would be highly nervous, especially if they knew their testimony story was weak or inconsistent or even false. The odds were good that if this were the case Ms. Odio would have very probably seemed much more hesitant, unsure and reticent in what she was asked to share. She was neither. "I remember the name perfectly" Ms Odio answered firmly when asked if she was sure the main speaking visitor to her apartment gave his name as Leopoldo. There were many aspects to Ms. Odio's story and the questions presented to her regards it. Too many unexpected questions for a person making up this story to wing it with ad lib answers. Then my sister Annie by that time was standing near the door. She had come to see what was going on. And they introduced him as an American who was very much interested in the Cuban cause. And let me see, if I recall exactly what they said about him. I don't recall at the time I was at the door things about him.I recall a telephone call that I had the next day from the so-called Leopoldo, so I cannot remember the conversation at the door about this American.Mr. LIEBELER. Did your sister hear this man introduced as Leon Oswald?Mrs. ODIO. She says she doesn't recall. She could not say that it is true. I mean, even though she said she thought I had mentioned the name very clearly, and I had mentioned the names of the three men.Mr. LIEBELER. But she didn't remember it?Mrs. ODIO. No; she said I mentioned it, because I made a comment. This I don't recall. I said, "I am going to see Antonio Alentado," which is one of the leaders of the JURE here in Dallas. And I think I just casually said, "I am going to mention these names to him to see if he knows any of them." But I forgot about them.Mr. LIEBELER. Did your sister see the men?Mrs. ODIO. She saw the three of them.Mr. LIEBELER. Have you discussed this with her since that time?Mrs. ODIO. I just had to discuss it because it was bothering me. I just had to know.Mr. LIEBELER. Did she think it was Oswald?Mrs. ODIO. Well, her reaction to it when Oswald came on television, she almost passed out on me, just like I did the day at work when I learned about the assassination of the President. Her reaction was so obvious that it was him, I mean. And my reaction, we remember Oswald the day he came to my house because he had not shaved and he had a kind of a very, I don't know how to express it, but some little hairs like if you haven't shaved, but it is not a thick moustache, but some kind of shadow. That is something I noticed. And he was wearing--the other ones were wearing white dirty shirts, but he was wearing a long sleeved shirt. I've never seen any picture of Oswald where he wasn't clean shaven. Either he was Marine trained to keep his appearance boot camp sharp and clean shaven, or he simply didn't have an ability to grow facial hair beyond a few stragglers.

I was unambiguously in love with Madeline Kahn. And secretly lusted for Ruth Buzzi for years in a way I can't even understand myself.

How about the possible reason of Corso wanting to create a financial windfall to leave to his son? Some have suggested the same regards E.Howard Hunt's end of life "Big Event" JFK assassination confession story. Has anyone here actually viewed the William Pawelec interview on You Tube I posted a link to? In the end part of his sharing he talks about who controls the ET presence folder. People and groups with unlimited wealth, access and power. If true, we are living in a purposely controlled bubble of blissful ignorance. I repeat again, a line of conversation related to me 8th hand I admit, but from people I knew my entire life, innocent, good basic morals, average working class people with no nefarious truth manipulating or idle gossip spreading agendas: "If the average person knew just "half" of what is really going on in the world...they would probably go into their backyard and shoot themselves."

Oh, the thread's been moved out of the general forum. Too non-JFK related. It's the death knell for it. Not arguing against this death knell move. I understand the main topic integrity reasoning. At least we got some decent input and feedback before it was kicked over.

Exactly WN, exactly. Thanks for making the manipulated stock market gain scam clear and easy to understand in a simple short posting.

I thought I heard Ruth Paine mention the book she sent Marina was one about "pinworms" and other childcare advice?

Does anyone honestly believe there isn't massive manipulation efforts going on with the illogically booming stock market? The 3 year long market surge is Trump's main ace-in-the-hole job performance touting card by a factor of 10X over any other and that he has been playing and falling back on since he took office. The Trump machine will do anything to keep popping this card out of his sleeve when the game's final biggest jackpot is on the line.

Yesterday's 500+ point gain was explained as being fed by news of some progress in the Virus drug studies. Still, I have been watching the Dow Jones daily since it started crashing and then constantly rising 8,000 points since and I see a pattern of market infusion explanation that seems suspiciously illogical. The traditional market effecting economic factors are not applying to this market's record breaking swing back gains and I simply disagree with LS that the dominantly tech driven NASDAQ and S&P are primarily keeping this market boom going. Corporate sales and profits, consumer spending and confidence, budget deficits, international trade deals, manufacturing orders and output, commodities futures, unemployment figures often cited as market enhancers, new home sales and construction, etc.etc. These areas have collapsed to record, almost depression era levels and most importantly, most experts are saying these economic collapses will take years to come back to anything close to pre-pandemic levels. The huge daily gains ( 400, 500 points and more ) since the market bottoming out most often are explained as reactions to news other than the foundational real number economic ones I just cited. Talk of some nebulous or over-hyped trade deal progress. Virus drug studies. Lifted lockdowns and reinstated business openings and re-allowed recreational public social activity which have tragically resulted in explosive record breaking infection chaos and panic warning nationwide stress in the emergency care field. So, these other less economy effecting Dow capital gain infusion reasons don't hold any true economic improvement water weight versus the traditional ones, hence suspicion in their being touted as valid justification for individuals or groups pumping billions into the stock market in the middle of this record economic stress reality. This year, the question we're all asking is why the hell the markets are doing so well in the face of the coronavirus pandemic, not to mention the existence of a recession and a record-high budget deficit. As I write this on Monday, July 13, the Dow is up 452 points despite everything else collapsing around us. (At the end of the day, the Dow closed up just 10 points, due to bad news about the virus. More on this presently.) Astonishingly, the Dow has climbed 8,000 points since its pandemic low point on March 23. Why? Trump desperately wants to be re-elected this fall to avoid being prosecuted, not to mention getting crushed under an avalanche of incoming lawsuits. The presidency serves as his last best shield against true accountability. He knows as well as anyone that the economy is the only thing keeping him from an approval poll average in the low 20s, and a landslide victory for Joe Biden in November, similar to Barack Obama's resounding victory in 2008. Consequently, Trump's returning to some of his old tricks to try to keep the major market indexes happy, at the very least. Only this time, his tricks are exacerbating the pandemic and literally killing Americans, all for the sake of his re-election. Last year, Vanity Fair's William Cohan published a mind-blowing item that closely examined several "chaos trades" and the linkage between Trump's blurts and the movement of the S&P 500. Sure enough, someone — or a connected group of someones — was making colossal trades just prior to Trump's announcements about the trade war. When I say "colossal," I'm understating the magnitude of the windfalls these trades produced.

The article is on other websites besides Salon.

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I am viewing the interview you linked. The Texas School Book Depository Museum "Living History" one. RP recounted something that really stopped me. It may be nothing but it sounded remarkably strange. Maybe Joseph McBride can enlighten us about this? Ruth Paine sent Marina a childcare book in the Russian language that she thought Marina could use after she was sequestered by the Secret Service in the weeks right after 11,22,1963. She had also been sending Marina diapers and sympathetic letters and monies strangers had sent to her address in Irving. Two days later a Secret Service agent and Russian interpreter came knocking on Ruth's door. They asked RP about a hand written note found in the childcare book Ruth had just sent to Marina. I'm not specifically sure, but it sounded like the note/letter was supposedly written by Lee Oswald to Marina and it's contents had to do with the General Walker shooting with some implication of Lee's involvement in this? What? This Oswald note to Marina written in Russian "just happened" to be in the book RP sent Marina? And Ruth "just happened" to miss seeing this in the book while she was wrapping it up and including it as part of her care package to Marina? Please tell me this Walker shooting note incident turned into a nothing burger? Otherwise, what in the world was that about?

You mean Ms. Maxwell will have to sit in a funky little open toilet jail cell wearing paper pajamas in an awful jail facility for a year until July 2021? I think the woman will crack after a few months living under those conditions. Especially when she has lived in the lap of royal luxury her whole life. Her menu choices will go from gourmet wine, cheese and salad healthy to cheap white bread baloney sandwiches and grape soda. Maybe in her breakdown she might give up some of the good stuff? What a stupendous crashing fall. From sitting in the King and Queen's chairs in Buckingham Palace with Kevin Spacey to sitting on her bare bones bed telling her past life adventure tales to her heavily tattooed meth dealer roommate cellie Gladys "Big Bertha" Bergendorf.

Mobile Morgues? The Trump nightmare continues. The price we are paying for Trump's pushed re-opening.

A basic question for everyone here: Do you believe our government and our military has had and still has "any" secret technology programs that they have successfully kept from public knowledge and disclosure? Going back to the end of WW II? Of course, we all know the answer to this question. Have any of these programs involved more than strictly human discovered technology? The argument that one cannot accept the ET story until they can personally see an actual part of an alien space craft is ridiculous. If someone had such a material and were sharing it publicly, once the government got wind of this, it would certainly result in it's theft. Physical proof is a line of public disclosure they won't tolerate I would think. Let people write books and articles all they want. The government knows this truth proclaiming venue will never take hold because it's all non-physical proof speculation. And you can always debunk it with counter writings and opinions.

If you watch the Gerry Spence cross examination of Ruth in that 1986 mock "Trial Of Lee Harvey Oswald" production for British TV, you will clearly see that one of Spence's Oswald defending tactics is to bring out of RP her extreme personal hostility toward Lee Oswald. Not just in the later months of 1963 but what she still harbored 23 years later. It's amazing how successful he was in doing so. You can easily see her facial expression disgust and loathing of Oswald in her describing him so negatively with hardly any compassionate balancing of this one sided view. She described him being a poor provider, deluded with his own self-importance, unpleasant to be around, bristling with anger, not demonstratively appreciative among another half dozen awful disparaging traits. Spence had to interject in defense of Oswald that one could view Oswald in a less disparaging and damning light if they chose to try to understand Oswald more as a person going through a painful separation and stress on his marriage, just as Ruth Paine was going through in her and her husband's painful separation. Spence asked RP if she could understand Lee in this way and she said grudgingly ... I suppose so. Ruth's extreme personal hostility toward Lee Oswald must be considered in contemplating her possible motivations in her testimony against Oswald that biasly added to his incriminations as the killer of JFK imo.

Amazing.

Greg D. Did Ruth Paine ever actually personally say to you or anyone else ( as you propose ) that her vengeful non-Quaker eye-for-an-eye "glad" feelings statement, when hearing of Oswald's execution, was impulsively inspired simply because of her immediate emotion driven anger over JFK's death and only because of that reason? You offer this explanation for Ruth P. stating this "glad" statement in your post above. Or are you speculating such? I'm sure RP knew her interviewer ( a fellow Quaker) was shocked when she mentioned she was glad when she heard Oswald was shot and killed. Did Ruth immediately catch herself and pull back on her brutal vengeance comment in the interview? Was Ruth P. ever later asked in her group talk appearances about this shockingly non-quakerish vengeance proclamation that you say was similarly shared by the cheering lynch mob crowd outside the DPD building that day? They shot the bastard...YAHOO! Asked whether she actually said this, and why? And if she did, whether she later regretted saying this? If Ruth Paine ever publicly expressed regret over her reported, non-Quaker principles stated "glad" feelings upon hearing of Oswald's murder ( which also denied him a fair trial which she stated he deserved ) I could understand you giving her a "caught up in the JFK killing rage moment" pass on such a lynch mob mentality sentiment. But if she didn't ... ? So, again, did RP ever personally express to you or anyone else you know her glad feeling statement was made simply because she got caught up in the Oswald rage moment? And that she wasn't glad about his brutal demise later on? In that video of Gerry Spence cross examining Ruth Paine in the link I posted, she sure didn't sound any less Oswald hating 23 years after the JFK event. No Christian minded softening of her "glad he was dead" hard take on him imo. In fact she was still fuming that Oswald had the gall to type his lie filled letter on "her" typewriter! She still couldn't let go of her Oswald anger even after 23 years.

Stock Market Keeps Going Up Despite Massive Record Breaking Economic Downturn Numbers. Doesn't make sense. Here are just a minute number of incongruous examples. Just the California wine industry "alone" has lost 4 to 5 billion in 5 months, with a 10 billion dollar total loss in this same time period when all the ancillary business losses are included. American Express has lost billions. Rolls Royce, billions in losses. All new auto sales down up to 30% and more, 100's of billions in lost sales revenue. Airline losses, 100's of billions. Hospitality industry, hundreds of billions in losses. And on and on and on and on. Trillions of lost income and sales revenue with only worse numbers predicted now that Trump's lockdown lifting has failed everywhere. Even if a Covid-19 drug came out next week, it will take years for the country's record breaking devastated economy to come back to anything close to what we had before hand. So, what mirage positive economic comeback factors are these investors basing their billion dollar stock market infusions on? Don't they see the same Wizard Of Oz curtain we see with nothing but record breaking bad economic news behind it? How the Dow is still going up versus down in this massive free fall of corporate earnings, job loss and unprecedented loss of consumer confidence and buying power with the general public, is as much a part of the crazy surreal unrealness of this nightmare we are all going through as every other almost unbelievable aspect of it. I smell a market manipulation rat here. Created and implemented to help Trump's re-election chances. Don't you?

A coincidence. I heard about wrapping your cell phone in foil to block tracking in a film my nephews and I just watched two weeks ago - Terminator: Dark Fate. Linda Hamilton's "Sarah Conner" character shares this advice with the new younger female protagonists Grace and Dani.

I predict much more civil unrest by this coming November if 10's of millions are still unemployed and can't pay their basic need bills and the federal government doesn't start sending $1,000 to $2,000 monthly emergency survival checks to these people and their families. Throwing in a little levity here: The Washington DC football team has dropped their decades long name - The Redskins. Any suggestions for a new name for this team? My wife and I had fun thinking of some. The Washington Crooks? The Washington Scandals ... Scoundrels? The Washington Potomacs? The Washington Posters? The Washington Whistleblowers? The Washington Trumpers? Trump's choice.

David, do you think Ghislaine would have fled to another country if it wasn't for the Covid-19 ban on Americans traveling to Europe?

Gerry Spence Questions Ruth Paine 26:22NOW PLAYING "ON TRIAL: LEE HARVEY OSWALD" (PART 15) (RUTH PAINE)

Larry Hancock's list is a reasonably balanced one imo. I've read Col. Corso's book. Got a sense that some of it was disinformation. His delve into our super aggressive covert anti-communist activities in Italy right after WWII are interesting. John Mack is very, very interesting. His investigation into the Zimbabwe Arial school mass sighting convinced him the alien experience was reality. And his integrity and credibility credentials were stellar. Intriguingly and suspiciously, Mack was murdered. Bud Hopkin's research is also worth reading. Stanton Friedman as well. I have studied the issue as much through internet information searches as reading books ( isn't this the same thing?) and feel there are enough highly credentialed testimonies and valid scientific findings to assume the alien presence is more reality than not. I highly recommend accessing the internet site "Sirius Disclosure Project." On this you will view interview videos of some of the most interesting and highly credentialed persons who have information that bolsters the ET story and related subjects of the most secret program kind. One interview in particular I recommend in the "Sirius Disclosure Project" files is of William Pawalec, now deceased. See below. And click on the picture of Pawalec versus the site title to watch the very interesting intro by Dr. Steven Greer. Sirius Project William Pawelec 1:00:15NOW PLAYING William Pawelec Interview Dr. Steven Greer • 663K views4 years ago Mr. William Pawelec was a U.S. Air Force computer operations and programming specialist with numerous credentials in security ...