Joe Bauer

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Pamela, I have kept up with almost all your forum postings since I have been a member myself. You were always the resident expert on the JFK limo and related subjects. I also recall your many postings about JVB. I totally understood when you turned direction regards your take on her. JVB is a tough one to figure. What reading I have done on her has me torn ... but just not enough to totally dismiss her. She's VERY smart for sure. I sense she is extremely strong willed and overbearing at times. Obviously too strong for many. Her sister Debbee ( I really don't know a lot about her ) seems much more practical and down to earth and not overbearing. Yet, this sister has stood by her sister Judyth throughout her extremely controversial saga. If true, the Reiley Coffee connection between Baker and Lee Oswald by itself is enough for me to keep at least some interest in the entire JVB story, even if 80% to 90% of it is questionable to very questionable.

Other shots from "silenced" weapons could easily be a possibility. They had weapons like that at that time. Bone fragment? Penetrating and lifting up and bending solid steel? No. Bullet fragment? Not from the JFK/Connelly pristine bullet. And the entrance angle of the inner windshield frame indentation does not line up with JFK's exploding skull. Whatever came in to cause the windshield frame indentation came in from an angle further right than anything hitting JFK's skull ... AND it came in higher than JFK's skull and not from an upward angle as it would have if it was from a bullet fragment from the head wound. The Kellerman "flurry" statement debate is silly. Slight differences from each take.

Bill, any thoughts on the upper inner windshield frame hole? Which looks like it could have been made by a bullet? Same hole width. Something made that "indentation" with enough velocity force that it lifted and twisted the surrounding metal. Metal that was rock hard steel. Both Kellerman and Greer and others who were in or around the limo almost daily, stated they could "not" recall seeing that big ugly hole before 11,22,1963. I have always proposed that if my inner upper windshield frame developed a hole that big, deep and ugly I would have noticed it right away. Could the "flurry" of shots coming into the interior of the Limo as Kellerman described have included one that came in from a slightly different angle than the head shot to JFK and caused the steel frame damage? I believe so.

Every few years I have to review this interview just to believe it. C.G. Harvey, widow of CIA's Bill Harvey, denounced JFK … https://jfkfacts.org/cia-widow-denounced-jfk... Jul 01, 2017 · Watch on. In this world-exclusive video, JFK Facts presents a fascinating interview with C.G. Harvey, the widow of legendary CIA officer William King Harvey. Filmed at an …

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I would really like to see or read a much longer interview of JVB's sister Debbee.

Trump world has reached an "exhaustion" tipping point factor imo. Except for his most cult like followers, growing chunks of his less committed base are finally admitting they can't keep up defending and cheer leading his 24/7 attacking anger campaigns against anyone and everything that doesn't promote his obsessive megalomania driven grandiose self-image promotion and his being a constant victim of injustice. How long can anyone carry somebody else's oversized paranoid victim outrage and anger? People have to go on and live with more peace, hope and optimism. Trump exudes a constant angry and victimized energy. The guy and his never ending outrage and battles are just too exhausting now. Time to move on.

The pics above show it's right there in front of us. In frame 304 you can clearly see Greer's head turned fully back behind him and looking directly at JFK. Then at 313, when JFK's head explodes, Greer's head is "still' turned backwards toward JFK. It isn't hard to see this. I don't see any worthy debatable point to make and defend otherwise.

Trump wants to pardon all convicted January 6th violent Capital building and entire Congress attackers. He also wants to financially support their legal defenses. Uh...??? Is that crazy on top of crazy on top of crazy...or what !? Trump is telling the world he believes these thousands of thugs violent injury, death and serious trauma afflicting attack on our Capital building full of our life fearing Congress members is not criminal enough to condemn? And even worthy of defending? That their extremely violent death and injury causing actions are legally and morally right enough to not only defend but even praise? Am "I" living in an alternate universe reality? In thinking these crazy Trump proclamations of financially helping and even pardoning of these violent vigilantes is so outrageous there should be big block print headlines on the front pages of all our major newspapers and news media web sites depicting them as such? With a sub-title headline " TRUMP CRAZINESS CONTINUES!"

Greer's WC testimony: Mr. SPECTER. Now, would you tell us just what occurred as you were proceeding down Elm Street at that time?Mr. GREER. Well, when we were going down Elm Street, I heard a noise that I thought was a backfire of one of the motorcycle policemen. And I didn't--it did not affect me like anything else. I just thought that it is what it was. We had had so many motorcycles around us. So I heard this noise. And I thought that is what it was. And then I heard it again. And I glanced over my shoulder. And I saw Governor Connally like he was starting to fall. >>>>> Then I realized there was something wrong. I tramped on the accelerator, and at the same time Mr. Kellerman said to me, "Get out of here fast." And I cannot remember even the other shots or noises that was. I cannot quite remember any more. >>>>> I did not see anything happen behind me any more <<<<< because I was occupied with getting away. <<<<< Mr. SPECTER. Now, how many shots, or how many noises have you just described that you heard?Mr. GREER. I know there was three that I heard--three. But I cannot remember any more than probably three. I know there was three anyway that I heard.Mr. SPECTER. Do you have an independent recollection at this moment of having heard three shots at that time?Mr. GREER. I knew that after I heard the second one, that is when I looked over my shoulder, and I was conscious that there was something wrong, because that is when I saw Governor Connally. And when I turned around again, to the best of my recollection there was another one, right immediately after.Mr. SPECTER. To the best of your ability to recollect and estimate, how much time elapsed from the first noise which you have described as being similar to the backfire of a motor vehicle until you heard the second noise?Mr. GREER. It seems a matter of seconds, I really couldn't say. Three or four seconds.Mr. SPECTER. How much time elapsed, to the best of your ability to estimate and recollect, between the time of the second noise and the time of the third noise?Mr. GREER. The last two seemed to be just simultaneously, one behind the other, but I don't recollect just how much, how many seconds were between the two. I couldn't really say.Mr. SPECTER. Describe as best you can the types of sound of the second report, as distinguished from the first noise which you said was similar to a motorcycle backfire?Mr. GREER. The second one didn't sound any different much than the first one but I kind of got, by turning around, I don't know whether I got a little concussion of it, maybe when it hit something or not, I may have gotten a little concussion that made me think there was something different to it. But so far as the noise is concerned, I haven't got any memory of any difference in them at all.Mr. SPECTER. Describe as best you can the sound of the third noise.Mr. GREER. Just, to me it was similar, to the first two. They all sounded practically the same to me.Mr. SPECTER. You testified that at the second noise you glanced over your shoulder.Mr. GREER. Yes, sir.Mr. SPECTER. Which shoulder did you glance over?Mr. GREER. Right shoulder.Mr. SPECTER. And describe or indicate how far you turned your head to the right at that time?Mr. GREER. Just so that my eyes over, caught the Governor, I could see, I couldn't see the President. I just could see the Governor. I made a quick glance and back again.Mr. SPECTER. Was the movement of your head just then approximately the same?Mr. GREER. Yes, sir.Mr. SPECTER. As the time?Mr. GREER. Yes, sir.Mr. SPECTER. You just indicated the turn of your head slightly to the right.Mr. GREER. My eyes slightly more than my head. My eyes went more than my head around. I had vision real quick of it.Mr. SPECTER. Exactly where was Governor Connally when you first caught him out of the corner of your eye?Mr. GREER. He was--he seemed to be falling a little bit toward Mrs. Connally, to the left. He started to go over a little bit to the left.Mr. SPECTER. And how far did you catch his movement during the time you were able to observe him?Mr. GREER. Just a second. He probably hadn't gotten his shoulder, he hadn't fell down or anything. He probably was in a position such as I am now.Mr. SPECTER. Did he fall to the rear or to the side or how?Mr. GREER. In my opinion, he fell toward Mrs. Connally which would be to his left or to his side.Mr. SPECTER. Did he fall then on his left shoulder and arm or in some other way?Mr. GREER. He appeared to me to be falling on his left shoulder when I glanced. He had only started to move that way whenever he--when I saw him. >>>>> Mr. SPECTER. Were you able to see anything of President Kennedy as you glanced to the rear?Mr. GREER. No, sir; I didn't see anything of the President, I didn't look, I wasn't far enough around to see the President. <<<<< Mr. SPECTER. When you started that glance, are you able to recollect whether you started to glance before, exactly simultaneously with or after that second shot?Mr. GREER. It was almost simultaneously that he had--something had hit, you know, when I had seen him. It seemed like in the same second almost that something had hit, you know, whenever I turned around. I saw him start to fall.Mr. SPECTER. Did you step on the accelerator before, simultaneously or after Mr. Kellerman instructed you to accelerate?Mr. GREER. It was about simultaneously.Mr. SPECTER. So that it was your reaction to accelerate prior to the time--Mr. GREER. Yes, sir.Mr. SPECTER. You had gotten that instruction?Mr. GREER. Yes, sir; it was my reaction that caused me to accelerate. >>>>> Mr. SPECTER. Do you recollect whether you accelerated before or at the same time or after the third shot?Mr. GREER. I couldn't really say. Just as soon as I turned my head back from the second shot, right away I accelerated right then. It was a matter of my reflexes to the accelerator. Mr. SPECTER. Was it at about that time that you heard the third shot?Mr. GREER. Yes, sir; just as soon as I turned my head. <<<<< Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate of the speed of the car at the time of the first, second, or third shots?Mr. GREER. I would estimate my speed was between 12 and 15 miles per hour.Mr. SPECTER. At the time all of the shots occurred?Mr. GREER. At the time the shots occurred.Mr. SPECTER. Now what, if anything, was Mr. Kellerman doing at the time of the first shot?Mr. GREER. I couldn't really speak for where he was watching, what part of the street or the buildings or what he was watching at that time. I don't really know.Mr. SPECTER. Do you know what Mr. Kellerman was doing at the time of the second shot?Mr. GREER. He was sitting there in the front. No, sir; I don't know what his action was then. I was watching the overpass, I wasn't looking his way.Mr. SPECTER. When you were watching the overpass at that time, did you observe anything on the overpass?Mr. GREER. Not that I can remember now. The Zapruder film shows Greer looking straight back at JFK just as his head explodes. IMO no one would ever forget seeing this just feet away. Selective amnesia? The Z film shows the limo slowing almost to a stop as Greer is looking back at JFK. Greer never mentions this noticeable slowdown and Specter doesn't ask.

Greer's first head turn around is kind of a half or slightly more one. Glancing over his right shoulder at the back seat. Greer's second head turn around however is a full 180 degree one. And he stays looking at JFK right as his head explodes. It was during this second turn around that he lets up on the accelerator which slows the limo to almost a stop. Greer then jerks his head back frontward and hits the gas hard and ...vrooommm! I'll have to go back to Greer's WC testimony but I believe he states a different story regards his doing a full 180 degree turn around just before the head shot and his actually seeing it happen. Reading Greer's WC testimony I got the sense he was blatantly covering his a$$ by stating a version of his actions which would negate his negligently slowing the limo almost to a stop just before JFK was hit in the head. Kellerman also looks straight back at JFK just before Greer. I always felt sick at Kellerman's non-action during the shooting which he described as a "flurry" of shots raining in. He knew JFK had been hit. Shouldn't he have leaped over the bar behind him to use his body to shield JFK from any more carnage? Life and limb risking on his part for sure. Yet Clint Hill did something even more life and limb risky in his mad dash and leap onto the back of the limo while it was taking off at high speed. Hill could have easily fallen and been run over by the 5 ton Queen Mary to a certain gruesome and crushing death.

Pamela I agree 100%. I've watched the Z film 500 times. Different speeds. You name it. I have not been able to consider but one conclusion. Greer turns his head 180 degrees backwards and looks right at JFK in Jackie's arms just as JFK is hit in the head. A split-split second later he turns back and floors the limo. Pamela you are right. No car driver turns their upper body 180 degrees around, facing fully backwards and keeps their foot on the gas without letting it up. When Greer turned to look at JFK he let up on the gas so much the limo almost stopped completely.

At least five prominent Russian businessmen have reportedly died by suicide since late January, according to previous CNN reporting.

It's actually possible that the entire TRUMP story could end up being an unprecedented "A Man Who Would Be King" type fall into unheard of presidential historical disgrace territory. He's more than half-way there already. 2 Impeachment efforts in one term, Jan. 6th Capital Building attack incitement and aiding and betting through refusal to stop this for 3 hours, election interfering ( Georgia 2020, ) personal tax cheating for decades, Illegal secret document theft, family enrichment via dictator cash bailouts, rape charges by famous N.Y. City columnist E. Jean Carroll, intimidating Jan. 6th hearing witnesses, hand fighting S.S. agents in a moving car, temper tantrum throwing plates of food ( including ketchup ) against the wall right in the White House, and on and on. Trump's presidential legacy is "already" one of unprecedented national anger, turmoil, chaos and division. Family against family anger and division, threats of major violence in the streets if Trump is actually charged with any crimes. Stated even by sitting senators! We've actually been in a civil war type "mentality" during Trump's entire reign. Hugely financed extreme right wing radio political propaganda broadcasting ( with a dozen famous voices ) incessantly feeding 50 million American listeners this "us against them" rage and fear mantra 24/7. Demonizing Democrats and liberals as queer, commie, baby killing, gun stealing, Covid hoaxing, illegal immigration promoting, violent criminal and black coddling agents of the devil! It's going to take decades to calm and get over all this Trump era societal psychic trauma. God help us all until that time ... imo anyway.

Stock market has dropped over 2,000 since last Friday. Down 300+ today already. 2,000 drop in just 6 days is worth watching imo.

Suicide? Oh please. I really feel for the Russian people. I don't think they want this type of stuff happening in their own country.

I watched Jack Ruby whack Lee Harvey Oswald on live national TV on 11,24,1963 I watched the NBC investigation hatchet job on Jim Garrison ( in living color ) in 1967. I watched Jim Garrison's rebuttal broadcast to the NBC hatchet job special on NBC on July 15th, 1967. I watched the Johnny Carson hatchet job interview of Jim Garrison on January 31st, 1968. I was only 12 years old on 11,24,1963 when I watched Jackie Kennedy avenging Jacob Rubenstein deal his death shot into Lee Oswald. And I was only 16 years old for the later three television broadcast shows centered around Jim Garrison. Rewatching this 1967 Jim Garrison NBC television rebuttal video tape Vince Palamara has gifted us with in this thread, I appreciate more how much I actually personally witnessed regards the JFK/ Lee Harvey Oswald/Jack Ruby and Jim Garrison investigation story events despite being so young at the time. I also am reminded again how this Jim Garrison NBC television rebuttal talk to the entire nation on July 15th, 1967 is as amazingly profound today as it was on the actual day of broadcast. Here we have one man (Jim Garrison ) telling the entire nation ( hundreds of millions of Americans ) things which proclaim that they as a society have been lied to and deceived regarding the JFK assassination by our own government...and that our vast main national media has been an equal and willing partner in this grand deception! Jim Garrison put everything on the line with this amazing broadcast as well as his years of JFK truth finding effort commitment..."everything!" Sacrificing his reputation, career, family and even his personal safety all that time and beyond. Garrison endured through many major acts of stressful and vile retribution against him by the most powerful of entities that included set up entrapments and even phony criminal charges. Yet, he was background education and career credible enough, well spoken articulate enough, moral integrity right enough and incredibly courageous enough to be taken seriously to the point of national TV coverage many times throughout his many JFK truth seeking years. Garrison was a giant in more ways that just his imposing 6 foot, 6 inch physical stature. Imo he had an almost Shakespearian eloquent grandness and gravitas. Yet, a grandness grounded in a virtuous (and as he stated maybe a naive ) belief and faith in the grandest common man and woman protecting societal governing experiment in the history of mankind...our U.S. constitutional democracy. Garrison saw the JFK assassination as an attack upon the only thing that set us apart as a real hope shining light for future generations of all of humanity. IMO anyway.

As Charlie Chan would say: Explain please?

I thought all the plainclothes officers only carried handguns. Uniformed officers were carrying shotguns.

Excuse this lame question but in the first Alyea clip showing a plain clothes officer near a window and carrying a rifle in his hand ...is that the Carcano Lt. Day is shown handling in the later clip? I guess the window facing officer is holding that rifle in a way that he is pressing the strap close up against the stock? I stopped the footage to get a still shot but it was still kind of hard to make out the rifle he was holding versus the Carcano Lt. Day is shown handling later.

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I think over the decades there have been many very clear still pics of UFO's that appear to be something beyond our Earth based technology. I think that in the past if some great shot "flying saucer" pictures were made public by the picture taker the government often came in and confiscated them. Nowadays you would think there would be more clear still pics. If not, I am not sure why. I also believe that these vehicle for sure emit some powerful electromagnetic waves for power and that interfere with film clarity. Remember the hundreds if not thousands of reports of cars losing their electrical power upon the close proximity of these objects.

If Lee Oswald actually did blast J.D. Tippit with 4 shots including one coup de gras kill shot in the head he must have known his own life was at stake at any second. Question is - did he fear being whacked by the police alone...or perhaps by those who may have been above him in a plot?