Michael Clark

Thanks for this analysis Ernie.

Guess what happens when I click that link..... Oops... We're sorry, this content is not available in your location. If you believe you have received this message in error please contact us

Thanks for the reply, I am glad someone else also appreciates this movie. One scene, one line always stuck with me, and weighed heavily on my politico-social justice development when I was a teen. It is the scene where Kurtwood Smith is trying to break down Kris Kristofferson, out at the landing strip...@48:10 "Every morning I get up and I thank God for drugs and murder and subversion, because without them, we'd all be out of a job." That scene created a cynicism in me that never went away. It was a formative awakening for me, for better or for worse, probably the latter.

Rodney Stich (2008-05-01). Explosive Secrets of Covert CIA Companies (pp. 12-15). Silverpeak Enterprises, Inc.. Kindle Edition. Rodney Stich (2008-05-01). Explosive Secrets of Covert CIA Companies (p. 16). Silverpeak Enterprises, Inc.. Kindle Edition. Until now the affidavit has only been available as a series of individual image files. I have uploaded a PDF version of it to Scribd, where it can be easily read and downloaded. Just copying this in order to preserve it. Sorry for the bump.

Ray Caroll's link is broken. This may be what he had posted.... https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/U-Oct 1993- Of Moles - Molehunters - A Review of Counterintelligence Literature- 1977-92 -v2.pdf

I quoted Shanet for no real critical purpose. I am just bumping the thread to ask a queastion. For those of you who really have a grasp of the Angleton "mole hunt" details. Let me ask this because it popped into my head and stayed there, and it kind of defines part of my CT. Yet I see the Mole hunt as a rabbit hole, and I don't care to become an expert on it. So, my question is.... Does the folllowing hypothesis make sense, given the "mole hunt" evidence: That is: Angleton's behavior and actions may well describe and actually be, in some way, a mole hunt. But could this actually all be his reaction to the Two Oswald / Doplleganger scenario? Is it possible that JJA's confusion about where LHO was and what he was doing, as compared to what he was supposed to be doing and what he was told Lee was doing, led JJA to take actions to find out what was going on with LHO, his handlers, and the people that were messing with him (JJA), and plans, and operations? To be sure, in my working theory, JJA was not a conspirator in the plan to kill JFK. He was stovepiped from the JFKA op, and kept off guard, off balanced, confused, and he ultimately appeared to be complicit. Does this make any sense?

Same here

I did a search for a topic heading from a JFKassassinationforum topic on my ipad. I came to the google search results page, on my iPad. I clicked on a search result link of that JFKassassinationforum topic, on my IPad. That brought me to the nasty page. I just tried it again, and it did not happen this time. No Windows machines received their well-deserved whooping during these operations.

On my iPad I was able to go straight to the forum. Following google links took me to the nasty site.

In my theory, the pretext of the Cuban invasion was to encourage the Anti Castro Cubans to do it. The planted evidence of Pro Cuban conspiracy was brushed away, after the fact. The pre-text for war against Cuba was only to be invoked if a conspiracy could not be denied and other domestic players were revealed as part of the Conspiracy. I agree with Sandy that the final impetus for killing JFK was what some regarded as treason for considering detente, but specifically he was killed because giving-up Guantanamo would have been part of that detente, unlesss another Batista-like strongman, bolstered by Mafia led criminal elements came to power once again. If a lone-nut could be blamed, Cuba could rot in isolation and we would keep Guantanamo. The strength of my theory is that many of those things did in fact happen. A lone-nut was blamed, no invasion occurred, half century of isolating Cuba ensued, Guantanamo was retained, Mafia interests never got their off-shore havens back, and researchers are left wondering why the lone-nut was framed in the way that more resembled a conspiracy. As poorly done as it was, and ultimately insufficient for historical purposes, evidence for conspiracy in Dealy Plaza was wiped-away. I am certain that another conspirator-patsy was killed, but the body was disappeared.

Interesting Roger. The "Best man", however, referred to McCord. The Air Force "Colonel" as Landsdale is an interesting suggestion, indeed!.

Thanks so much Mr. Copeland. I may actually read Simpich's book. Do you know if Simpich mentions James McCord Jr. In relation to the FPCC? Thanks for this and all of your posts and input. Cheers, Michael

How does this prove that there was a civilian plot?

Perhaps, Paul Trejo, you could demonstrate how Simpch clearly demonstrated that. Please spare-us your dramatics and your opinions. Just present a quote or passage that illustrates that which you claim Bill Simpich claims.

Brilliant, "you're wrong, because I am right" lol And the CIA is nowhere to be seen in Paul Trejo's fiction about LHO's sheep-dipping in NOLA. "McCord worked for the Central Intelligence Agency, ultimately ascending to a GS-15 position in the Agency's Office of Security. For a period of time, he was in charge of physical security at the Agency's Langley headquarters; according to Russ Baker, then-Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles once introduced McCord to an Air Force colonel as "the best man we have".[5] In 1961, and under his (James McCord jr.'s) direction, a counter-intelligence program was launched against the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.[6" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._McCord_Jr.

And as far as Jack Ruby's motivations go, it seems likely that there must have been evidence tying him or higher level Jewish mobsters to the conspiracy as well, possibly in MC.

David, My theory is similar to yours. I believe that LHO was in MC at some point, and made rounds that are similar to that described in the testimony of Sylvia Odio. The intention was to tie LHO to Cuba and, as some conspirators thought and desired, an attack and liberation of Cuba would occur. However, one element of the conspiracy was not interested in liberating Cuba, and that party did as you say; they swapped out the incriminating LHO / Cuba evidence and perhaps swapped-in evidence pointing to Russian and even US intelligence involvement. Of course, this evidence could not be used or persued as a war with Russia or an internal investigation was not desirable. The reason for this change of plans, (and I say this at the risk of coming-off similar to Trejo, constantly yapping about my pet CT) was to double-cross the Anti Castro Cuban and Mafia element of the conspiracy. It had been decided that it was not in the interest of this faction to liberate Cuba, give the Mob their gambling haven in Havana, or renegotiate or vacate Guantanamo. It was decided that a perpetually antagonistic relationship with Cuba was preferable to a return to a free, Mafia infested Cuba and risk the loss of Guantanamo. So my theoretical perps who double-crossed the Anti-Castro Cubans and the Mafia were a Right Wing, anti Catholic, racist, southern industrial and Naval faction. So, Making some evidence disappear in MC, and burying evidence of conspiracy in Dealy Plaza was all that was needed to thwart the wishes of the Mafia and Anti-Castro Cubans. Michael

These are some very worthwhile videos.

Dr. Nick Begich (son of the congressman who disappeared on an airplane trip along with Warren Comission member and Congressman, Hale Boggs) with some fascinating observations which are relevant to this topic.

Steve, Cicero seemed to have been laying bare his contempt while at the same time offering the possibility of reconciliation. Fickle politics if you ask me, but it seems rather familiar now. I came back to this thread to post something and noticed that this topic was left hanging. Anyway, it's always good to read your posts. Cheers.

Thanks for the clarification. I am a horrible movie watcher, I find almost no actors believable. All I ever see is five minute clips on YouTube.

Istanbul, Nov 7 (Prensa Latina) The Cuban researcher Fabian Escalante assured here that despite the passage of time, authorities in the United States are far from clarifying the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, although they have said for 54 years that the secrets will be revealed. Escalante is in Turkey to present his book on the assassination of the U.S. president in 1963, which was translated into Turkish, so he made statements to Prensa Latina. According to Escalante, 'first they accused Cuba and the Soviet Union of the crime without evidence, just due to ideological reasons'; however, the declassified documents, which belong to three institutional committees, did not shed light on the assassination either. 'If there was an iota of truth in those documents, it would have been known a long time ago, but 99 percent of the materials have been declassified and there is nothing, so it seems an aggression against Cuba; that is why, they have tried to prevent or frustrate the declassifications of documents,' he noted. About Kennedy's assassination, the Cuban researcher questioned its past and pointed out that it was used by U.S. intelligence services to perpetrate a premeditated crime. He assured that 'Lee Harvey Oswald went to the Soviet Union as a deserter but he was already a CIA agent.' Shortly after, he decided to return to the United States and 'the first job that he gets in Dallas is in a company that makes the U2's flight maps. How is it possible that a deserter who returns from the Soviet Union is given such a job? Escalante wondered. Later, Oswald left for New Orleans 'and there, the first thing he did was to contact CIA agents; afterwards, he changes his line of conduct and becomes a supporter of Cuba and starts printing flyers in favor of Cuba; that is, at that time, Oswald has been chosen as the scapegoat, he does not know, but it is like that,' the researcher assured. The missile crisis in October 1962 changed the political vision of President Kennedy, who sent a commission to Cuba to study the possibility of rapprochement between the two countries, something that, according to Escalante, might have led to his tragic end. 'On June 10, 1963, Kennedy gave an extraordinary speech, a trial against the Cold War, and I think that it was the last straw in the United States, and his assassination was decided,' noted Escalante, for whom 'a CIA sector that was in charge of the aggression against Cuba' was responsible for that crime. 'Kennedy was a man with a different perspective, evidently he realized that he had to change the policy on Cuba,' he added, but the tragic end allowed for the continuity until today of 'that real power, which does not forgive Cuba for the revolution it made, at the doors to the United States'. According to the researcher, 'that aggression will be maintained'. jg/rc/acm/gdc

Pffffft! Paul Trejo, where do you come up with this stuff? "By far -- most JFK CTers follow the CIA-did-it CT promoted in the 1960's by Jim Garrison, Mark Lane and Harold Weisberg, and so perhaps 1% of all CTers have claimed that the Radical Right killed JFK." You make this stuff out of whole cloth to build your personal myth as pioneer into "part-unknown". It's ridiculous. Funnier-still is you are leading a charge with, and rallying troops that, are just not there! Your pretending that you have allies and people who are agreeing with you when they are not. They are just trying to be polite! lol!

Paul Trejo, can you support anything you are saying with evidence, or documentation?

Paul Trejo said: "Even if Lee Harvey Oswald had been absent from work that day -- as long as the Dallas Police had his rifle, and Oswald was still in Dallas, he could have been shot in cold blood in the streets -- and he could still have been SUCCESSFULLY blamed for the JFK assassination." -------------- That is pure unpure... What if he was home being nagged by Marina to go out and find a job; or out trying to find a job? Paul Trejo, you are not sitting, feeding fairy tales to schoolchildren! What do you think you are doing? Who do you think you are talking to? Are you hoping to be quoted in future Mockingbird sponsored children's' books? That is all I can figure..... there is no way that you believe your own **.