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I'll believe it when I see it. If Biden ever exposed the activities of the Saudi government, he would open the whole PNAC can of worms. Does anyone seriously doubt that the CIA was working hand-in-glove with the Saudis long before and after 2001? Saudi Prince Bandar always called himself, "Bandar Bush." (And, for that matter, Osama Bin Laden's brother was a major investor in George W. Bush's Arbusto Oil Company, long before Dubya became POTUS.) Even Obama played along with this whole PNAC "War on Terror" charade. Cui bono? Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Israel and the U.S./NATO Gladio B coalition.

Ben, I share your jubilation about Fox finally telling the truth about something. Will wonders never cease? Could this be the final nail in the coffin for the "modern left?" 🤥 (Fox has also been toning down their 18 month long anti-mask, anti-vax COVID disinformation campaign recently-- while simultaneously blaming Biden for vaccine hesitancy in red states.) And, as I said here earlier this week, where is the rest of the U.S. M$M on JFK Revisited? The silence is deafening. Apparently, most of our M$M is still working under contract with Langley. But, honestly, I don't think that you need to worry inordinately about the "modern left" opposing the release of the JFK records. It's not like JFK was some sort of proto-fascist who denigrated minority groups in order to rally his base.

Ron, After he was passed over for the position of Ambassador to South Vietnam, Ed Lansdale was appointed to run Operation Mongoose which, apparently, operated out of JMWave in Miami. But I don't know what the JMWave organizational chart looked like. My impression is that Lansdale was, basically, an Allen Dulles factotum. Prouty claimed that Lansdale, a psy ops expert, had contacts in the U.S. mainstream media with people like Joe Alsop. And Dulles, obviously, had relationships with a lot of powerful people in the media. I think Talbot (in The Devil's Chessboard) described Dulles maintaining on-going, regular meetings with his "Secret Team" associates after JFK fired him. And I read somewhere that Dulles was at "the Farm" at Langley on 11/22/63.

Chris, Let me answer your question with a question. What percentage of recent COVID deaths have occurred in un-vaccinated people? In the most recent U.S. data, the percentage in Alabama was 99.9% !! https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-32617c0cb852301b4bfed849e207baad

Some witty person remarked recently that, "Trump didn't come to D.C. to drain the swamp. He came to drain the Treasury." 🤥

Apropos of this interminable COVID vaccine debate. Here's some hard medical data about the relative risks of mRNA vaccines vs. no vaccines. Some pictures are worth 10,000 words... 🤥

Ben, We had a lengthy debate about Russia-gate here on the forum a year or two ago. It started on a thread about Mark Zaid that got moved to one of the other boards, if I recall correctly. Without belaboring the point on this thread, let me just say that my own belief is that Trump is a Russian asset who has been enmeshed with Russian oligarchs and the Russian mafia for years. I think Putin and the FSB nailed Trump with some kind of kompromat prior to 2016, then intervened in our 2016 election to put their compromised asset in the White House. IMO, Trump and Manafort successfully stonewalled the Mueller investigation, then Barr halted, suppressed, and misrepresented it to the American public. Perhaps we'll eventually get the facts. As for the Biden tangent, please stop the what about-ism. This thread is about Trump and January 6th.

Anthony, I agree. We also have to include mainstream media moguls in the loop -- Henry Luce, (Life magazine) William S. Paley, (CBS) the Grahams, (WaPo) Sulzberger, (NYT) et.al. But who else, other than Dulles and "the CIA," had the black ops and psy ops expertise to organize and execute the JFKA hat trick (including the astonishing manipulation of the U.S. mainstream media?) That's what intrigues me about Fletcher Prouty's working theory of the JFK assassination. Prouty made the point that his long-time colleague, Ed Lansdale, had the experience, skill, and contacts to do the Dallas job. Among other things, Lansdale was a skilled psy ops man. (Lansdale had also worked with the anti-Castro Operation Mongoose guys.) Also, Ed Lansdale was Allen Dulles's favorite black ops guy, following Lansdale's remarkable success in the Philippines.

Let me take a wild guess, Ben. Did it have anything to do with the multiple contacts that Trump's advisors and campaign associates had with Kremlin officials in 2016 -- e.g., Veselnitskaya, Kilimnik, Lavrov, et.al.? 🤥 The last time I checked, Spy-gate, Obama-gate, and Nunes-Memo-gate all turned out to be nothing burgers cooked up by Trump to deflect attention away from his involvement with the Kremlin. As for the subject of this thread, Rosen's recent Senate testimony, apparently, implicates Trump in a very serious plot to overturn the election.

Indeed. It's amazing to see how effectively Trump's lawyers have succeeded in suppressing any evidence of his alleged crimes through endless court appeals, gag orders, etc. Remember when Trump announced before the 2016 election that he would release his tax returns after the audit was completed? That was five years ago. Most recently, someone leaked Jennifer Weisselberg's New York grand jury testimony about Donald Trump allegedly telling her, in person, about his scheme to commit tax fraud. The only subsequent news was that the judge imposed a gag order on Ms. Weisselberg. 🤥

Paul, It's not really my place to answer a question that you are asking Jim DiEugenio-- a guy who is probably the world's leading expert on the JFK assassination-- but two things came to mind when I read your question. 1) One of the de-classified JFK records in 2017 showed that Dallas Mayor Earl Cabell (the brother of Allen Dulles' former Assistant CIA Director, General Charles Cabell) was a CIA asset in 1963. I think Earl was in the lead car in the Dealey Plaza motorcade. 2) Your question about CIA/military linkage gets at the heart of Col. L Fletcher Prouty's thesis in The Secret Team-- i.e., that key officials in multiple government agencies (including the Pentagon) were secretly reporting to Allen Dulles. USAF General Ed Lansdale is one well known example.

I hope the screenwriters for this series read Secret Agenda by Jim Hougan. The last thing America needs is more mainstream media mythology.

If you haven't watched Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States, or read the book, you guys would probably be interested in the chapter on Truman and the Bomb. As for the subject of the CIA and the Kennedy family, here's a footnote. Prescott Bush, the father of "Mr. George Bush of the CIA," once said that he "would never forgive JFK for firing Allen Dulles."

Ben, Biden will never release any classified documents about 9/11. No way. Even Trump balked at doing that. There was a time when many people thought that Trump might be a 9/11 Truther. During his Republican primary debates with Jeb Bush, Trump said, "When I'm President the American people are going to find out who really destroyed the World Trade Center on 9/11." Never happened. In fact, Trump's first presidential trip abroad was to Riyadh, where he did the Sword Dance with the Saudi Royal Family.

Ron, Another thought about this thread subject. I wonder if our mutual lack of curiosity about the JFK assassination was partly due to the fact that we were too young in 1963 (first grade) to really grasp what was going on. Conversely, many of the forum members here were old enough to suspect early on that something was rotten in Denmark.

Gee, Ron, your experience is strikingly similar to mine. I, too was in the first grade in Denver on 11/22/63, and I remember going home for lunch that day, then walking back to school and noticing that some joker had lowered the American flag on the flag pole in front of the school. (I didn't know anything about flying flags at half-mast.) I walked up to the flag pole and started to raise the flag, and our school principal came walking down the front steps of the school and quietly told me to leave the flag alone and proceed to my classroom for an announcement from my teacher. I remember watching some of the incessant television coverage and the funeral procession on T.V., and learning that Caroline Kennedy was my age. I also remember Oswald being shot in the stomach, and looking at the Dealey Plaza photos in Life magazine. I simply assumed that Oswald was crazy, some sort of Commie, and that he shot Kennedy in the back of the head. I thought Ruby killed Oswald because he was upset and angry about Kennedy's murder. Then, for some strange reason, I never really studied the issue in any depth for the next 50+ years, and I simply assumed that Oswald had killed JFK. My wife also simply believed, until recently, that Oswald killed JFK-- but there's a footnote. Her father's best friend was Rev. Louis Saunders, the "liberal" minister who conducted Oswald's funeral (after no one else volunteered.) She, literally, grew up with the Saunders family in Fort Worth, and Rev. Saunders presided at our wedding, 25 years after Oswald's funeral. I never asked Louis about Oswald's funeral, when he was still alive, because I hadn't begun to question the Warren Commission narrative at the time.

Excellent article. Aside from the fact that Trump, obviously, failed to comply with the terms of the law, I have a question about Presidential discretion in refusing to release the JFK records. My apologies if this issues has already been discussed here on the Education Forum. I'm still a relative newcomer here. Mark Adamczyk wrote; "Specifically, President Trump was required to certify that 1) continued postponement was made necessary by an identifiable harm to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or conduct of foreign relations; and 2) the identifiable harm was of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure. Here's my question. Couldn't any POTUS indefinitely postpone the release of the JFK records on the grounds that their release would cause identifiable harm to the CIA by exposing the Agency's role in the assassination of JFK, and the cover up of the crime?

Jeff, 911myths.com is one of many 9/11 disinformation websites on the internet. They abound, and they usually have clever, rational sounding names like, "RationalWiki," "Metabunk," etc. (Who doesn't believe in rationality? Who doesn't abhor bunk?) These cleverly contrived government disinformation websites typically surface at the top of Google searches about 9/11 -- just like the John McAdam's articles that typically surface at the top of Google searches about the JFK assassination. They always urge people, as did George W. Bush, to reject irrational "conspiracy theories" about 9/11. (Did Dubya, himself, ever realize that his own official theory about 9/11 is a "conspiracy theory?") 🤥 If you don't believe me, study the 911myths.com website's ludicrous attempt to "debunk" the obvious evidence of explosive demolitions of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7. (Make sure you approach the actual empirical evidence wearing a blindfold and earplugs.) It's laughable-- analogous to the magic bullet literature insisting that Oswald was a skilled lone assassin of JFK, (including Nobel Laureate Luis Alvarez's ridiculous Exploding Melon "simulation" of JFK's skull.) Here's a better reference article on the 19 alleged hijackers. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/The_19_Hijackers

Steve, This is creepy as hell. More evidence of Trump using the old N-a-z-i propaganda playbook. Ivana Trump told Vanity Fair years ago that Donald Trump used to keep a book of Hitler's speeches on his nightstand. I was so disturbed by Trumpism a few years ago that I took University of Pennsylvania Professor Thomas Childer's Great Courses course on the History of the N-a-z-i Empire. Some people I know scoffed when I used to point out parallels between Trump's conduct and the propaganda techniques of Hitler and Goebbels-- e.g., vilifying minority groups, fear mongering about foreigners at the border, labeling the opposition press as fake news, "the Lugenspresse," etc. Ultimately, as we all know, Hitler was able to quickly destroy a Constitutional democracy and establish a one-party, fascist police state. By 1933 he was incarcerating opposition politicians and journalists at Dachau. I still don't believe it could happen here, but who knows?

Jeremy, IMO, the exact opposite is the case. People who have studied the JFK assassination in depth know better than anyone how skillfully the CIA and their mainstream media (and social media) contractors have been able to suppress and distort the truth about black ops. And they also know that the CIA has contracted successfully with "reputable" academicians and scientists (like Luis Alvarez) to manipulate public opinion about black ops. I had to sift through a vast array of disinformation about JFK's assassination in our mainstream (and social) media before I finally learned to separate the truth from the lies. Suffice it to say that the same thing is true about 9/11, only more so.

Makes perfect sense now, Pete. Apparently, the purpose of this entire "fraudulent" election is to lead Trump supporters to Jesus-- so that they, like Trump, will learn to more capably hoard wealth, defraud people, despise the poor, the sick, and strangers, (immigrants) while fomenting hatred against minority groups, sabotaging healthcare, and grabbing women by the p*ssy... 🤥

Ben, Honestly, I have seen little evidence on this thread that you have even understood my arguments. I began by referring you to the court testimony of the attackers-- who have clearly attributed their actions on January 6th to Trump's directives, and to the goal of disrupting the certification of Biden's election. More recently, I pointed out that Trump was the beneficiary regardless of whether Christopher Wray warned him or did not warn him about any FBI intelligence of the impending attack on Congress. Perhaps you could explain why you believe that any advance FBI intel about the attacks was part of a "Deep State" op to undermine Trump.

True story. Several years ago, a psychiatrist colleague of mine retired and referred a patient to me who was obsessed with the JFK assassination. The guy was extremely intelligent and well read, but I suspected that he was paranoid. So I started doing some research into the case, and I watched Oliver Stone's movie, JFK. (At the time, I thought Oliver Stone was a quack historian-- probably based on things I had read over the years in the New York Times.) The film piqued my interest-- especially watching the Zapruder film clip during Clay Shaw's trial, and the monologues of Donald Sutherland--Mr. X. A light bulb went on in my head. I read somewhere that Mr. X was based on a guy named Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, and I bought a copy of Fletcher Prouty's book, The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy. The book was a shocking eye opener for me-- especially all of the material about the conduct of the CIA war in Vietnam prior to 1964. At some point, I discovered this excellent Education Forum, and I started reading the threads and references books discussed here for a few years before finally joining the forum. Needless to say, my patient wasn't crazy, after all. On the flip side, I've gradually realized that our society is completely nuts... 🤥

Jeremy, I just read your comment above for the first time. The truth is, I haven't followed this thread very closely after it veered into lengthy debates about the COVID vaccine issue. James Baldwin famously said, "I am not your negro." I can kind of relate to that in the sense that, "I am not your 9/11 Truther." It's not a role that I am comfortable with, for many reasons. My interest in 9/11 has mainly focused on studying the scientific evidence that the WTC was demolished by explosives, but I have also read some interesting material about the absence of evidence linking Bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" to 9/11. Even Dick Cheney and Robert Mueller, ultimately, said that the U.S. government never found any evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11. Imagine LBJ announcing in 1968 that "Oswald didn't kill Kennedy..." These were rather astonishing admissions by Cheney and Mueller, since blaming Bin Laden for 9/11 was the sole pretext for starting our 20 year U.S. war in Afghanistan! If you're interested, here are some references on the subject in question. http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html https://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Was-America-Attacked-by-Mu-by-David-Ray-Griffin-080909-536.html

Ben, Ben, Who repeatedly blocked sending the National Guard to protect Congress during the attacks? In fact, it was Trump's lackey at the Pentagon, Chris Miller, who was appointed in late 2020 to replace the exasperated Mark Esper (who had replaced the exasperated General Mattis.) Cui bono? Do you really believe that Liz Cheney benefited from the Trump mob attack on Congress? I never thought I would be defending a Cheney, but the notion is absurd. As for the FBI, who appointed Christopher Wray to run the FBI after Trump fired James Comey (for his refusal to shut down the FBI investigation of Michael Flynn?) If Wray warned the Trump administration about the impending January 6th attacks, the intel was, obviously, ignored by Trump and his inner circle. If Wray didn't warn anyone, the only beneficiary would have been Trump. Either way, your theory that the FBI was engaged in a black op to undermine Trump on January 6th makes no sense.