Tony Krome

5 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

The problem is he insisted that a rifle was found on a lower floor than the floor on which he witnessed the shells being found 

Link? I'll check it out. 

42 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

Two things worth mentioning perhaps..............

1. ATF man Mr. Frank Ellsworth, who was in the TSBD during the search, insisted that a rifle was found on a floor OTHER THAN the sixth (he wavered between fourth and fifth)

2. The wording in this document suggests that Mr. Oswald was shown a Mauser by Captain Fritz:

Ellsworth, like others, may have got the floors mixed up. I like how Truly describes Caster as a salesman. Would have been so easy to name the guy. And yes, it was a 30-06 Sporterized Mauser.

As you have seen lately, I've been releasing some of my research. I've decided not to bother with a book. Best thing is, its stuff you've probably never heard of before, and its free.

So I thought for the next lot of releases, I'd do it in the form of a Pop Quiz.

The following is 100% fact, and indisputable;

Name the Witness and the reasons why you think it's that person.

1. The witness is very close to the assassination.

2. The witness's occupation is described as "Professional".

3. The witness, at the time, worked intimately with a person that had been directly associated with a major Hollywood Studio, and personally mixed with the biggest Box Office Stars.

Mary Ferrell has nothing. Dallas DPD has nothing. FBI has nothing. Secret Service has nothing. Warren Commission has nothing. JFK authors have nothing. CT's have nothing.

Wait ... can someone pop over and ask Wesley or Ruth about Peggie. Time's running out.

And while your at Ruth's, ask about the Randle phone number next door to her house.

 Questioning potential witnesses over at 2434 West 5th may have helped investigators determine the length of the paper sack, and what clothes Oswald was wearing.

27 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

Many gun "experts"

My understanding is that there were gun experts on the 6th floor very soon after the rifle was found. The reporter on your video, Reiland, was told specifically Argentine Mauser. Was an Argentine Mauser a common rifle in Dallas at the time? 

So the whole of Texas is watching Reiland, and I imagine he's going to very accurate when he was asked by Watson, "exactly what type of gun". So I'm thinking he wasn't making stuff up, like Swedish Bazooka.

See the video you posted above, how close he is checking that rifle. Unless the guy had very poor eyesight, I'd imagine he would declare it says "Made Italy". I mean, there were more than a few curious people surrounding the found rifle. Hey, its an Italian made rifle guys!

So we go from Italy to Argentina, and Argentine is what I'm interested in here, because BEFORE the assassination, RYDER had Argentine rifle in his head. Not only that, he has a repair tag in his hand with OSWALD written on it, by RYDER himself., that he associated together with the Argentine rifle.

44 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

I don't recall. But you might be able to find an answer here:

http://jfk-assassination-as-it-happened.blogspot.com

Good luck.

P.S. -- The very first description of the rifle that was made by anybody was no doubt the 12:45 PM (CST) APB bulletin that was put out over the DPD radio --- "Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, 5 feet 10 inches tall, 165 pounds, armed with what is thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or information. 12:45."

 

Unfortunately, 12:45 was before any rifle was found.

Lets see if any other member here can find an earlier make/model announcement before Argentine Mauser, and after the rifle was found.

I figure there was an approximate one hour window between when the rifle was found and the Argentine announcement.

4 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

And that same 6th-floor assassination weapon was ALSO described (at various times on Nov. 22 and 23) as a German Mauser, a 30-30 rifle, and a Japanese weapon (and possibly even more inaccurate descriptions).

What was the first model/make rifle description publicly described?

I believe "Argentine Mauser" was announced just over 2 hours from the time of the assassination..

7 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Oswald wasn't framed by conspiracy theorist's.  That was done by others.  Thus a lone nutter theory.

haha, well played sir

3 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

They can't ALL be the right description, can they?

I matched up one of those descriptions (Argentine) with the name of a rifle (Argentine) that a gunsmith with a "Oswald" repair tag mentioned a few days later.  That's all, Dave, I'm sure its all a big mix up.

Special thanks to David Von Pein for revealing a rifle Ryder mentioned re; the Argentine Mauser hours after the assassination.

Video below starts at the correct time;

Dial Ryder mentions the Argentine rifle both to authorities early in the investigation, and to CBS on Thanksgiving evening 1963

8 minutes ago, David Butler said:

The Argentine rifle was a Mauser variant wasn't it and not a Carcano ? 

Now we're talking

19 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

And what about this fellow that Rider says might be associated with Oswald? He brought in an Argentine rifle to have a scope mounted. Presumably an Argentine rifle is not the same as a Carcano.

Exactly!! An Argentine Mauser is not a Carcano. Look for shifts in the narrative. Look to why Ryder's repair tag and Whitworth at the furniture store were sidelined.

12 minutes ago, Jean Ceulemans said:

Do we know if he actually moved to 2028 Harvard ? That would be between Dec. 30th 1963 and March 25, 1964.

 

 

Yes, Dial moved to Harvard. Date unknown.

26 minutes ago, Jean Ceulemans said:

Very good. You are on the right track

13 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

So Ryder is now a "suspicious person" too, eh? Why is that?

 

The only thing that I've seen that is a suspicious aspect surrounding Ryder, is the face to face interview with Ryder and Hunter Schmidt. They were both diametrically opposed to each other concerning the Thanksgiving phone call. Who's your money on, Dave?

FBI re: Dial Ryder "He stated he had found the Irving Sports Shop repair tag bearing the name "OSWALD" as customer on November 23, 1963, but had not told anyone, other than his wife, about finding the tag prior to being interviewed by SA HORTON on November 25, 1963."

On Sunday the 24th November 1963, there were anonymous phone calls to authorities disclosing the existence of the repair tag. They never worked out who made them or their sources.

Fair enough, Dial didn't tell anyone else, so that leaves Peggie. Did she talk to people in her neighborhood?

17 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

So Dial Ryder lived opposite Ruth Paine? Oswald was known to play with the children in the street in front of Ruth Paines house. This would mean Oswald would likely have seen Dial go in and out of his house across the street a few times over the course of Oct/Nov 1963.

Wesley especially would have noticed that the Ryder car across the road from him went from being roadworthy to a wreck, or it was all of a sudden missing from the house and at the wreckers. Add to that, his neighbour Ryder across the road ended up in hospital. It would have been quite the neighbourhood gossip.

Mrs. Peggie J Ryder lived at 2434 West 5th Irving at the time of the assassination. She was involved in a head on collision in December 1963.

Mrs Peggie Jo Ryder was married to Dial Ryder, the gunsmith over at Irving Sport Shop. Ryder was the guy that found the "Oswald" tag on his counter at work.

Dial Ryder's sister was Fleta. Fleta was once married to John Caesar Grossi, also known as John Leslie Bowen, who was Oswald's work-mate over at Jaggars Chiles Stovall. Bowen was the guy that supplied a reference for Oswald's library card.

The driver Gary A Guenther, that caused the accident, was an engineer at Vought Aerospace.

5 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

2511 Empty since 1962.

That's interesting. The criss cross for 1963 is showing Robert Cassel at 2511, which means he was there around December 1962. If the above is correct, and the Randles were there until November 1962, it sounds like a very short stay for Mr. Cassel.

2511 does appear to be a rental property with many names associated with it in such a short span of years. But then why was it empty for most of 1963?

Strange how the emptiness of 2511 coincides with the stretch of time that Ruth Paine knew the Oswalds.

6 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

Ed Ledoux found a Tom Norman listed as the occupant of 2511 in the ‘64 (Polk?) criss cross.

If the canvassing happened in December ‘63, does that suggest that Norman just casually decided to move in next door to the Paines right after the assassination? 

With a different occupant every year it does seem like it could’ve been a rental property, but who was renting it out? Sharber?

It seems a bit odd that the Coles directory would screw up and list Sharber if he had no connection to the house since ‘61 but the Polk directory would list Norman. 

Was the canvassing done via mail? Door to door? If someone only moved in in December ‘63, why the hell weren’t they interviewed?

How the heck would the FBI etc. know the house was completely vacant from Sept. through Nov. unless they looked it up somehow?

If the house was really vacant on 11/22, it should’ve been searched for evidence f*****g immediately by the DPD. Did someone tell them to leave it alone? 

Oswald was supposedly capable of double murder, but it was unthinkable that he could’ve broke into a house twenty feet away from the Paines’ back door? 

So many questions… 

The canvassing was super thorough. They would front up to the door and talk to the occupant. Failing that they would quiz neighbours and leave cards in the mailbox. I believe they were required to try at least 3 times to secure the occupant's name.

Yes, it appears that Tom Norman was canvassed around December 1963. Maybe he thought it looked like a safe neighbourhood with all the FBI, Police and Secret Service around.

****** update, Robbie M Sharber was still at the same address in PLANO as of JULY 1965, so the COLES 1964 directory info is in error ******

So Sharber was known to be an occupant of 2511 West 5th St, next door to the Paines, in December 1960. After that, we don't know when he moved to Plano, but he was there by May 1962, and continued to live there through to at least July 1965.

12 minutes ago, Paul Cummings said:

Dallas County property search should have your answers

The Randles were effectively renting the house by making the repayments at 2439 West 5th since the father was the owner.

If the Randles were renting out properties prior to 2439, the County records may only show who owned 2511 West 5th. in this case, the records might show up as Sharber. Would be handy information for sure.