Tony Krome

Mrs. Peggie J Ryder lived at 2434 West 5th Irving at the time of the assassination. She was involved in a head on collision in December 1963. Mrs Peggie Jo Ryder was married to Dial Ryder, the gunsmith over at Irving Sport Shop. Ryder was the guy that found the "Oswald" tag on his counter at work. Dial Ryder's sister was Fleta. Fleta was once married to John Caesar Grossi, also known as John Leslie Bowen, who was Oswald's work-mate over at Jaggars Chiles Stovall. Bowen was the guy that supplied a reference for Oswald's library card. The driver Gary A Guenther, that caused the accident, was an engineer at Vought Aerospace.

That's interesting. The criss cross for 1963 is showing Robert Cassel at 2511, which means he was there around December 1962. If the above is correct, and the Randles were there until November 1962, it sounds like a very short stay for Mr. Cassel. 2511 does appear to be a rental property with many names associated with it in such a short span of years. But then why was it empty for most of 1963? Strange how the emptiness of 2511 coincides with the stretch of time that Ruth Paine knew the Oswalds.

The canvassing was super thorough. They would front up to the door and talk to the occupant. Failing that they would quiz neighbours and leave cards in the mailbox. I believe they were required to try at least 3 times to secure the occupant's name. Yes, it appears that Tom Norman was canvassed around December 1963. Maybe he thought it looked like a safe neighbourhood with all the FBI, Police and Secret Service around.

****** update, Robbie M Sharber was still at the same address in PLANO as of JULY 1965, so the COLES 1964 directory info is in error ****** So Sharber was known to be an occupant of 2511 West 5th St, next door to the Paines, in December 1960. After that, we don't know when he moved to Plano, but he was there by May 1962, and continued to live there through to at least July 1965.

The Randles were effectively renting the house by making the repayments at 2439 West 5th since the father was the owner. If the Randles were renting out properties prior to 2439, the County records may only show who owned 2511 West 5th. in this case, the records might show up as Sharber. Would be handy information for sure.

Update for this thread; Miss Naomi Gabriel of Polk informed the FBI that the 1963 Irving Directory canvassing ran for the month of December 1962, and that the directory became available in April 1963. So that gives us a good idea about how they generally operate. Ed Ledoux over at ROKC has found that the 1961 criss cross shows Robbie M Sharber living at 2511 West 5th. Information that I have is that Robbie M Sharber, by May 1962, had moved to Plano, and had a Plano phone number. When he moved I don't know, but it could have been as early as January 1961, and the 1961 directory would still have shown him at 2511. The material I have showing BL3-8965 at 2511 West 5th is prior to December 1961. The 1962 criss cross is unfortunatly not available. Interestingly, a researcher, I only know as Martha, found that Robbie M Sharber, was mentioned in the 1964 COLES directory as living at 2511 West 5th. So did he move back? Was he the owner of the property? Was he renting out 2511 in the intervening period? ****** update, Robbie M Sharber was still in PLANO as of JULY 1965, so the COLES directory info is in error ****** Ed Ledoux has Robert Cassel showing up at 2511 in the 1963 criss cross. We know that Alfred Randle purchased 2439 West 5th in November 1962, so if Cassel moved into 2511 in December 1962, he would show up in the 1963 criss cross. To summarise the above, we don't know for sure who was occupying 2511 West 5th between January 1961 and November 1962. This is the time-frame which BL3-8965 exists at 2511.

The only time Oswald got close to Walker was in October 1963. Charles Kllhr and his wife Virginia were friends of Walker. Charles was affiliated with a church over at Oak Cliff. I'm not aware of any nefarious deeds by Charles, except so say that if the car was postively connected to him, it would have warranted a close look at people close to him in Irving.

No, Wesley got out of his car, and as soon as he shut the door, they both started walking towards the TSBD. It was during the walk that Wesley decided to take his time and the distance between them increased, but in the end, only by 50 feet.

Wesley was directly asked what Oswald did with the package. His first response was to describe Oswald's jacket, then mentioned that he put the package up under his arm. Oswald then waited for Wesley behind the car near the fence. Wesley did not describe, in WC testimony, at that point, that Oswald opened up the rear door, or if he reached back for the package before exiting the car. If the package was 2 feet of lightweight curtain rods, I'd imagine he could have simply reached back with one hand and grabbed them.

Oh, I hear you alright. They left that house stand there untouched like it was filled with lepers. Here's something more for you. The Paine address book has two notable entries. The neighbours to the west, the Roberts, was filled out completely, whereas the very next entry, the Randles, was totally blank where the address would be. We all know what a fastidiuos keeper of records Ruth is, and the notebook shows the BL3-8965 Randle number. Neighbour Linnie knew of Ruth since 1959, and at least admits to meeting with Ruth about two years before March 1964, before she moved to 2439. So that would be early 1962. Let's just say that Ruth entered BL3-8965 in her notebook after that meeting, if she hadn't already done so years earlier. If she did, that can only mean that the Randles had the same phone number both at 2439 and before she moved.

The relevant material that I have uncovered has been passed on to a prominent researcher. The material clearly shows that if you had of dialled BL3-8965 (the Randle number) in late 1961, the telephone at 2511 West 5th St in Irving, would have rung. 2511 West 5th (the so called "vacant" house in Nov 1963), was the house directly next door to the Paine house. These are the facts we already know; 1. Linnie Mae Randle advised the FBI in March 1964, that she had known the Paines for about 5 years, which brings it back to 1959, the very same year that the Paines moved into 2515 West 5th St. 2. Linnie Mae Randle advised the Warren Commission in March 1964, that she used to live across the street from the Paines before moving to her then present address at 2439 West 5th St. 3. Alfred E. Randle (Linnie's father in law) purchased 2439 West 5th St in November 1962. Linnie and Bill made the repayments after moving in. 4. Back in 1960s, it was possible for a householder to transfer their telephone number to another location as long as it was within the same exchange, in this case BL3. I'd be interested to see what fellow researchers here can contribute to this, cheers!

At some point, there were 8 people sleeping in the Randle two bedroom house. Presumably the 2nd bedroom was occupied by Wesley's mother and step-dad (apart from his stay at the medical facility). The main bedroom, I guess, was occupied by both parents, and the 3 daughters were scattered about somehow. So the couch makes sense, is that something you have heard Wesley mention?

Great Gif Chris, clearly shows someone clapping on the TSBD steps.

My question was; what do you estimate the time span was between the 1st & 2nd shots?

Personally, I would duck down and mash the gas pedal. If someone was willing to shoot a cop, I wouldn't risk presenting myself as another target. While I have your attention, and using Benavides' testimony, what do you estimate the time span was between the 1st & 2nd shots?

Would you stop within 15 feet of an ongoing shooting?

100% the same guy in both photos. The lighting source and the haircuts contribute to the perception of two different people. The left photo has the light source coming in from top left, which "flattens" the chin and shadows the nose and one ear. The right photo has the eyes better illuminated by the camera flash. I'm also seeing a difference in pupil size, which makes sense with the different light sources.

She'd been working for Southwestern for years

I gather you are don't consider the lady on the phone as suspicious. Fair enough, you have the TSBD employee list, who is your candidate?

Unless someone can identify that lady, she may have been a stranger to Hine. She makes a phone call right after the JFKA. What are we talking? 30 seconds, a minute? Why lock the door if there was staff inside?

Hine could hear her voice. Hine could see her through the curtain. Months later and Hine had no name to match this person?

Let me be a little clearer. "Screeching" is audible. I'm not questioning the limo stop.

"screeching of tyres" is what this Witt guy says Calling on Witt believers to find any corroborating accounts

What was the date that the WH agreed to a motorcade?