Bill Brown

Again, there is no verbal or written report from 1963 or 1964 (or even a couple decades later) that Grammer ever felt the caller was Jack Ruby. Whether it's the mid 80's (Henry Hurt's Reasonable Doubt) or the late 80's (The Men Who Killed Kennedy), we don't hear anything from Grammer believing the caller was Ruby until then.

My point, lost in all of this, is that there is no verbal or written report from 1963 or 1964 (or even a couple decades later) that Grammer ever felt the caller was Jack Ruby. It isn't until the 80's (mid or late, either way) that we hear anything from Grammer believing the caller was Ruby.

So we first hear of Billy Grammer saying that the caller may have been Jack Ruby in the mid 80's (to Henry Hurt) instead of the late 80's (The Men Who Killed Kennedy). So..... 1986 instead of 1988. Now it's more credible?

And Grammer doesn't mention Jack Ruby to Henry Hurt. Right?

And where exactly is the "cut and paste" you spoke of? I first got the idea from my private conversations with Gary Mack back in 2012.

Right. And as I've said about a half dozen times now, there is no mention of Jack Ruby being the caller until 1988. So what is your point exactly?

This only tells me that you don't know what you're talking about. If you knew what you were talking about, then you'd be aware that the whole "I did it so Jackie wouldn't have to come back for a trial" was the invention of Ruby's original defense attorney. You DO understand what the goal of a defense attorney is. Right?

"...but Curry ditched the contemporaneous report, didn't he?" You have no way of knowing that. When is the earliest that you hear of the claim that Curry ditched the report?

No. You don't "have it right". "Somebody calls saying they're going to kill Oswald in the garage tomorrow." So far, so good. "Oswald gets killed in the garage as stated in the message and Ruby is the one to do it." I'm still with ya. Yes. "Later, one of the DPD said it sounded like Ruby whom he knew." Yes, later. Much later. Like the late 1980's later. "And that leads you to believe it wasn't Ruby who called?" No. This is where you have it wrong. I'm simply saying that we don't hear anything from anyone, Grammer or otherwise, that the call that night was made by Jack Ruby, until roughly 25 years later. I have Arizona beachfront property to sell you at a really great price. Use your damn head. Unless you can provide citation for Grammer ever saying ..... in the 60's during the Warren Commission investigation or the Ruby trial or the Clay Shaw trial ..... or the 70's during the HSCA investigation ..... that the caller was Jack Ruby, then it SHOULD be obvious to any logical person with critical thinking skills that Grammer added the part about the caller being Ruby in order to get his (Grammer's) mug on a documentary in the late 80's.

You seem confused. Your quote above (from Hurt's book) doesn't mention Grammer saying the caller was Jack Ruby. It appears to me that you guys lack critical thinking skills.

Okay. I can do that. But first, answer the question.

Again, Brewer didn't say that he could see the ticket booth. He said that the ticket booth was flush with the other store fronts which lined the sidewalk and this location would allow him to see anyone who was at the front of the booth purchasing the ticket.

"Damn, your right Bill." Nah, not really. It's more like you were simply wrong (again).

I'm not copy and pasting jack dooky. Any posts I make are my own words unless I give proper credit.

Well, before we get into all of that, I have a quick question. Do you still mistakenly believe that Bowley squeezed past Tippit's patrol car (not to mention the body lying in the street) or do you now accept the reality that Bowley stopped his car before ever getting all the way to the patrol car and the body? You stated that Bowley drove past the patrol car and the body and then crossed over Patton and parked in the next block and walked BACK to the scene.

"Grammer said..." That's the entire problem. Grammer didn't "say" anything until the late 80's.

The bottom line is that we don't hear from Grammer (regarding the voice belonging to Jack Ruby) until the late 80's. If you guys want to say it is credible, then go right ahead. Me? I require more. Waiting almost 25 years to ever mention that it was Ruby who made the call? Come on, now.

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"There is no Quinceanera shop in the street view provided." That's because you mistakenly chose the wrong location when attempting to show where the shoe store stood in 1963. First, the ticket booth. Now, the barber shop nonsense. You have to be told more than three or four times that you're wrong. I'm beginning to see that you're a little slow. I'll lay off for now.

That's a great point which is completely lost on many.

I understand what you're trying to say, but you're not understanding what I am saying. Above, you're referring to your current conversation with David. My post above yours just now was responding to your post to me last week when you said that Connally believed in the single bullet theory for the rest of his life. In other words, the current back and forth between you and David is unrelated to my post which, because it took me a week to reply, gave the appearance that it was meant to be a part of your current back and forth with David. Having said all that, David is right when he says, on some level, that some of Connally's words do support the single bullet theory. Connally heard the first shot and assumed it hit the President, a reasonable assumption, though incorrect. He knew he himself was not hit by this shot. Therefore he believed that they were hit by two different bullets.

First, the address of Hardy's Shoe Store was 213 W. Jefferson, This would be the bridal and quinceaneras shop and NOT the location of the barber shop you've erroneously mentioned. Second, why would you source a modern-day image when trying to show where the ticket booth was on 11/22/63? Do you still mistakenly believe the ticket booth was all the way recessed and attached to the building on the day of the assassination? Look, this is real simple and yet somehow you are blowing it up all to hell. Julia Postal's ticket booth was out away from the building very near the sidewalk. Johnny Brewer stated that he would be able to see anyone who stopped at the front of that booth to purchase a ticket. Brewer did NOT say that he could see the ticket booth from his shoe store. Why do you twist around what he did (and did not) say?

Pat, John Connally admitted that the single bullet theory was indeed possible (The Warren Report, part 2, CBS-TV, 1967).

"It's not hard to tell wheat from shaft." You mean the wheat from the chaff? "You can't fix stupid, guys..." Boy, that's for sure.