Simon Andrew

In the early days of chatgpt, if you typed in who killed JFK, you got a very balanced response highlighting a lot of the issues and evidence. A matter of days later the response was changed to reflect the WC findings. I think that whatever model is used, someone will say it’s biased one way or another.

They also mentioned that he had a plastic bag over his head. Based upon the cutting of the tendons, the bag over his head and the missing notes…it does lend credence to the notion that he was snuffed out. Given the context I find it strange that he was embalmed with such haste.

Which means it’s 35 mins of program and 25 mins of advertising, so probably is the same. The paramount plus program is geo fenced meaning you can’t watch from a UK account (even with a VPN via a US server). So here in the UK we will get a program about Trauma room one interlaced with adverts for tampons and erectile dysfunction tablets.

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What a load of misleading cobblers. Define what you mean by the deed? The deed implies action, ie pull the trigger. The list mixes up potential shooters, with people or organisations that had a motive. This list is the same sort of guff you get from daytime television whenever they cover the event and have not analysed the evidence.

The main reason why you can’t reach a decision on the assassination, beyond a reasonable doubt, is by design. Bearing in mind that the most probable culprits are intelligence based, we need to expect plausible deniability, obfuscation and compartmentalisation. I would suggest looking at the assassination using a similar framework to an intelligence analyst…assess the reliability of the evidence and assign it a probability of occurring and a confidence level. Forget about beyond a reasonable doubt- it’s a wild goose chase.

If the assassination and all of the information had taken place in Russia and not the US, what do you think the conclusion from the average CIA analyst would be? The research community should hold its head up high for doing the work that democratic institutions failed to do. The Warren Commission was a travesty, which we know was cooked up under a false pretence.

Another interesting video by Dr Newman. The back door link between LBJ and nut job LeMay is especially revealing. I could listen to Malcolm Blunt for hours …I wish there more videos with him. I think it was Blunt who flagged Solie in the first place.

In my opinion Angleton is probably the person who holds the most responsibility. Dulles had been kicked out and had to rely on guys on the inside. Angleton probably picked up on the intelligence about Kennedy’s back door communication with Castro. As we know from The Devil’s Chesboard…Dulles met up with his OSS buddies at his house, Angleton probably passed on the info and it flared up from there. Dulles then acted as a go between with Harvey and the JCS along with Angleton’s input. Without Angleton none of it would have happened imo. Hence it was a non official conspiracy by right wing elements of the military and intelligence community who abused their position and were traitors to the constitution.

Whilst I don’t agree with LN posters in general, they do sometimes offer some fact checking which can be interesting. Koch and Cole are a bit extreme politically for me and I do see them wasting the time of some of the most knowledgeable posters (eg Pat). Life is too short and maybe time could be spent more wisely by adding them to your block/ hide list.

The debate would go as follows - A) Litwin would overstate his case and avoid elements he doesn’t want to talk about. B Jim D would overstate his case on some points. C) Joe Rogan would sit there looking confused and perhaps offer some insight he obtained through hunting trips and firing rifles. Just my opinion- however things are somewhat more grey on both sides of the argument. However Joe Rogan doesn’t do grey particularly well. On balance, with all things considered there is a stronger case for conspiracy. However I can understand why the powers that be don’t want to go there.

That’s pretty cool that you were there. I came after that generation but was always attracted to the music of the 60’s. I did manage to get a guitar pick from Keith Richards a few years later…that’s my only claim to fame. People laugh but that generation was on a collision course with Angleton and his ilk. This is evident in the book Chaos and the nonsense going on with the Manson case.

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Instead of trying to think what may or may not have happened to JFK’s Vietnam policy given certain events had he lived, isn’t the most salient point what the Chiefs Of Staff thought in 63. Following the conference where they were told to put plans together to get out, and given the extreme hawkish nature of some of them, that is enough motive. Second guessing what may or may not have happened seems irrelevant- what really matters in the context of the assassination is whether there was enough to provide motive. I think there is a decent case that there was motive. The rest simply muddies the water.

I like global companies and don’t have a problem with open borders. I work with people all over the world, no problem.

Sorry but didn’t you have exactly the same argument a few weeks ago in a different thread. Is it necessary to have another jumbo sized thread on the same topic with the same people making the same points. It feels that the only reason is to start a fire. Certainly the arguments you make only hold water when filtered through a conservative lens, so they are not going to sway anyone one way or the other.

In terms of LBJ, it’s standard tradecraft to have different elements of the Big Event to be isolated from one another. He would have only known what he needed to know…which appears to be get sworn in asap and grab the reigns of power. As Angleton said…JFKs murder was a house with many rooms. If you were in one room/element of the plot you were isolated from the other parts. Hence he did not know who shot John, as that was part of the ops room.

Don’t tell me…straight roads and aqueducts. Right on Reg. Sorry Gil, I’m only messing. The title just reminded me of Monty Python. I like your vids and input.

One of the tenants of Stoicism is that history repeats itself and that what we experience has happened before. As you say, it’s nothing new. Another tenant is that we should try and concentrate on what we can directly control and not worry about thing that are not directly within our control. I’m not saying that necessarily applies directly to anyone here, just that it can offer food for thought.

Very succinctly explained. Once I had processed the facts, I came to the conclusions that: a) Despite these events, it’s still possible to live a healthy and relatively prosperous life and bring up my family in peace. This is far more than others around the world have. b) Personally I wanted the correction of the historical record in order to demonstrate that, despite its flaws, western democracies can discuss and work through these thorny issues over time. I don’t want external forces like Putin or China undermining our systems by weaponising this research. That’s just my take. I’m not saying it works for anyone else.

For me personally, this was not the case. I simply wanted to understand our recent history. I’m not attracted to conspiracy per se. If all the evidence pointed to a LN scenario then fine.

I think this is correct. When you start reading something like the Devils Chessboard it forces you to re-evaluate history and realise the world is not really the way you thought it was. I would say this kicks off something akin to a mourning process with different stages - anger, depression and eventually some kind of acceptance and compromise. I think some people maybe get stuck in a particular phase. I started catching up with the assassination literature again in 2015 and went through this mourning process and came out the other side. I think reading about Stoicism a few years back helped, as well as having a family with kids to help balance things out. Anyway, all the best, have a good holiday season.

Whether you are a hardcore researcher or casual reader, the information you learn along the way via the research community can be a heavy weight. It’s an incredibly dark topic. When you delve into the world of Angleton and Dulles, there is no light, it’s just feels evil. Especially at this time of year, look after yourselves and don’t forget to love and allow yourself to be loved by your family, friends or trusty pet!

I’m afraid there is gate keeping on both sides. For some, assassination research has taken over their life and their ego and sense of self has become intertwined with the topic. This can result in a lack of critical distance. You are correct that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Perhaps the most challenging thing can be to try and view the world from someone else’s perspective sometimes. Personally, I doubt TC’s source exists and it’s not the first time someone from within the agency has allegedly said ‘yeah we did it’ or words to that effect.

Thanks for the clarification. Newman has made some impressive findings over the years. I was disappointed with the last book of his I read where he described the Bagley encounter with Malcolm Blunt and said the chains moved down the track that day. I just thought…really, is that it. A conversation with nothing to back it up in writing and one of the parties dead to confirm or deny. I dare say it did occur however the book was underwhelming. The new book (Poppov’s mole) sounds interesting however so I may read that in the New Year. If Malcolm Blunt is impressed, that’s a good start. The problem with JFK from a historical perspective is that there is often evidence for both sides. He was sometimes playing both sides and flip flopping. I remember watching a documentary on his early years and marriage to Jackie. It was very well to do. His Dad had aspirations for one of his kids to be president for a long time…almost as a birth right. As much as their is evidence for JFK being a class traitor I’m sure he did plenty of other things that don’t fall within this category. He certainly made many enemies- however as these goons were slightly to the right of gengis khan - it was not difficult.