Bernice Moore Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Here also are the reports, findings on the BDMN....... It states the BDMN had the same colouring as Marilyn Sitzman.....when compared, that the BDMN was human, FWTAW.... HSCA Report, Volume VI Current Section: ( The grassy knoll Begins at page 122 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=128 Or the History Matters http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol6_0064b.htm Or see below....which for some reason posted from bottom to top.....?? B.. Edited October 20, 2008 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) This different frame shows more clearly the contortion of the woman's body which Bernice first mentioned. Jack Edited October 20, 2008 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Jack : I have made a couple of notes on your work......just rough.. ..To me, it appears her bottom half looks as if she is facing to the right, so does go along with the direction of her foot.. But it appears that the upper part of her body is facing to the left.....and I know that is impossible, I am going to have a further look within the Darnell frames, and there is something about her head ?? I do not know.... thank you.. B........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Hey Jack : I found his feet, for all........ Thank goodness....... B...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Jack :I have made a couple of notes on your work......just rough.. ..To me, it appears her bottom half looks as if she is facing to the right, so does go along with the direction of her foot.. But it appears that the upper part of her body is facing to the left.....and I know that is impossible, I am going to have a further look within the Darnell frames, and there is something about her head ?? I do not know.... thank you.. B........ My apologies, Bernice. It was not a different frame. It is an optical illusion of some sort. I looked at it at different times and thought they were different. The question is, which arm is she holding the baby in? If in the left arm, something is wrong. If in the right arm, nothing wrong. I'm confused. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Jack :I have made a couple of notes on your work......just rough.. ..To me, it appears her bottom half looks as if she is facing to the right, so does go along with the direction of her foot.. But it appears that the upper part of her body is facing to the left.....and I know that is impossible, I am going to have a further look within the Darnell frames, and there is something about her head ?? I do not know.... thank you.. B........ My apologies, Bernice. It was not a different frame. It is an optical illusion of some sort. I looked at it at different times and thought they were different. The question is, which arm is she holding the baby in? If in the left arm, something is wrong. If in the right arm, nothing wrong. I'm confused. Jack Hi Jack. Yes you are correct, the Darnell frame does cause an optical illusion similar to one of those Rorshach puzzles. Depending on how your eye catches it at different times decides on which of the two version you see. I had the same problem. I beleive that the child is being held on the RIGHT hip in Darnell, the same way we see it being held in the Murray scan. That is one of the reasons i was able to pick her out from my Murray photo scan collection. Edited October 20, 2008 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Bailey Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Very interesting topic Robin! Bernice: Where did you get the cropped picture of the lady and baby with her back to the camera? The full photo may show running man nearby. Attached is a better close-up of the Willis photo captured from the Groden video. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Very interesting topic Robin! Bernice: Where did you get the cropped picture of the lady and baby with her back to the camera? The full photo may show running man nearby. Attached is a better close-up of the Willis photo captured from the Groden video. Don Don : If it is the one I believe you are referring to, it is in Robin's post # 13........and was taken after in front of the TSBD.... Thanks for the Groden's close up of the Willis, BDGM.. B...... Edited October 20, 2008 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Robin, Jack..all...?? Wait till you get a load of this illusion of the lady...in the middle..from Darnell...the one shown on the right... Is that her right arm seen in both as well as her left, ?? is she facing him..in the right one, is that her right arm tucked under the child...?? ....Input please..... From two frames of the Darnell film a comparison of two men.......?? The crop is from the full Cancellare, taken afterwards...he is on the left...middle of the street.. ......approaching the steps..... A comparison...... B Edited October 20, 2008 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Robin, Jack..all...??Wait till you get a load of this illusion of the lady...in the middle..from Darnell...the one shown on the right... Is that her right arm seen in both as well as her left, ?? is she facing him..in the right one, is that her right arm tucked under the child...?? ....Input please..... From two frames of the Darnell film a comparison of two men.......?? The crop is from the full Cancellare, taken afterwards...he is on the left...middle of the street.. ......approaching the steps..... A comparison...... B Bernice i was looking at that Cancellare guy. ? Not sure if the Darnell man is wearing a jumper or a cardigan / sweater hard to tell from the rear. By the fit of it i think it may be a cardigan / sweater ??? The FULL SIZE murray scan taken from TRASKS ( That day in dallas ) all the photo's in that book are glossy finish and make exellent scans. The TSBD widows show up well in this scan. Click on the image to view full size: Edited October 20, 2008 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Thanks Robin for the Murray..appreciated..... If that is her in such, I do not see the man who could be with her in Darnell...?? That is a great scan...I do have the book, and the photos are high quality..... I just have never been able to get to it as well as many others to scan what I would like to...I guess I am going to have to ask the hubby to give me a hand and.... dig out more of the photo books, to get more copies of photos... ........ About the man, I do not know, that is the why of the ???s....could be either, As he crosses the road, I did notice his sweater could be loose fitting, as it appears perhaps the wind is blowing up against it or could be... What I was more interested in was what could be perhaps both her arms one on each side of the child, if so....that only makes it appear more awkward......?? For now, B.... Edited October 20, 2008 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Bernice. I have looked over every inch of that Murray scan, and i don't see the Darnell Man. It's a bit of a worry, because if they are a couple, you would expect to see them together in that image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Groden / Willis 5 Blackdog position In the Crop on the right of the image, if you look hard you can see the " top of the pickets " on the wooden fence. Click on the image to see full size: Edited October 20, 2008 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Hey Bernice. I think that your Cancellare man may be a storeroom worker or a messenger of some sort. He looks to have a " NOTE " in his left hand and appears to have a " black apron" on over his trousers. Edited October 20, 2008 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Robin, Frame is from video footage in "Beyond the Magic Bullet" at 21 min/33 sec. Note center frame. It was filmed through a car windshield. chris Edited October 20, 2008 by Chris Davidson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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