Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 RobinI dont think a sunspot would be shining off of the dull wood of the fence However that is right in the area of where the two fences meet I am going to study the Willis and Betzner photos in detail today Thanks for your opinion and giving me something to look for Dean Dean...Robin is correct. The area in your rectangle is the sunlight on the fence. It is NOT a "sunspot" but the sunlight on the entire fence, viewed from a very oblique angle. Jack Jack, Regarding my Al Chapman post above, did you know Chapman and could you share anything about any of his work? Thanks. Todd I knew Al since the seventh grade. He and I were high school classmates. Al was missing his left arm, and seemed to be a nice guy; he joined the football team despite having only one arm. His right arm was extremely strong and he could make a tackle (he was a lineman) with just one arm. But when older he got in the wrong crowd and had a minor brush with the law, I heard. Later, he moved to Dallas and worked as a janitor. Somewhere along the way (I had lost track of him by then), he married and had a son Randy, who is now a Dallas private detective). Then he got religion and pastored some kind of church. He became very interested in the assassination and began collecting photos and selling articles to the grocery store tabloids. He got to know the case pretty well. Once he and some friends attended one of my slide lectures; he had not changed much since high school. One sour note, Mary Ferrell said to me once, "I don't trust Al; he has connections to some unsavory policemen." I cannot verify that, but it seems maybe the source of some of his photos was somebody in the DPD. I once met his son Randy, who let me photocopy some of Al's photos. That is all I know. I hope it answers your question. Jack Jack, That's all pretty interesting. I do recall Chapman's stories in the tabloids (Tattler, I think). I'll try and track down Randy Chapman, as it sounds like he may have some of his fathers research material. Thanks. Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Here you go: Nice GIF Martin However I cant stop looking at CardiganMan lifting his leg and turning to run up the steps I agree with Duncan that he was returning to the end of the retaining wall where his wife and child are Mom and Baby are BlackDogMan Sorry to get off topic Dean Thank you very much Dean and Robin. As we are talking now about BDM, i translated some measurements into Willis5. Basis are the Topographic Survey map for the HSCA made in 1978 revised in 1981. Something to ponder on. BDM crouching behind the wall or a mother of 4' 7" now switched into black clothes, hiding a baby? best to you Martin Very good, Martin! Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,Robin is correct, It's not my theory. I just did an interpretation based on Geoff's theory. Duncan Duncan...that is a very interesting photo of the cop looking at something! Any idea what he is looking at? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,Robin is correct, It's not my theory. I just did an interpretation based on Geoff's theory. Duncan Thanks Duncan. Martin We have slightly differing views on this one, that's OK friends are allowed to see things differently. Re-Creation from JFK The Movie Interesting shot! I note that they left out the ALUMINUM VAN which I think was the command center. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Groden Betzner 3 Scan.Scanned as found ( No Enhancement ) Thanks, Robin...but that one does not show the "flesh tones". I have one which does. I will try to find it. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,Robin is correct, It's not my theory. I just did an interpretation based on Geoff's theory. Duncan Thanks Duncan. Martin We have slightly differing views on this one, that's OK friends are allowed to see things differently. Re-Creation from JFK The Movie Interesting shot! I note that they left out the ALUMINUM VAN which I think was the command center. Jack What aluminum van? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 DeanThere is one hurdle in the mother & child = BDM story The "woman & child" can clearly be seen in Couch, and in one of the Murray photo's in front of the TSBD. if the man was indeed her husband, than you would expext to see them together in these photo's, but we don't, the Darnell man is no where to be seen. This bothers me, if the man ran up the steps to protect his wife and child. In the aftermath photo's they SHOULD still be together. ? Perhaps the man was on his lunch hour and had to go back to work. I was thinking more along the lines of maybe he was running around behind the fence and the railroad yard looking for a gunman then rejoined his wife back at their position at the bench after he knew her and the baby were ok And sorry about giving credit to Duncan about coming up with the theory Thank you Duncan for the great study on the subject Thank you Jeff and Robin for coming up with/advancing this subject BDM has always bugged the hell out of me, I have been looking for an answer to BDM for decades Dean...I worried with BDM for years, and finally came up with this theory: He (it) is only seen in Willis and Betzner. I think that GORDON ARNOLD was in the original photos. Panic...a SOLDIER pictured with a CAMERA, identity unknown. Instead of just retouching him out (in case he later shows up) they had retouch artists obscure him with an indistinct blurry figure. In other words...there was NO BDM. It is as good as any other theories that have been floated. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,Robin is correct, It's not my theory. I just did an interpretation based on Geoff's theory. Duncan Thanks Duncan. Martin We have slightly differing views on this one, that's OK friends are allowed to see things differently. Re-Creation from JFK The Movie Interesting shot! I note that they left out the ALUMINUM VAN which I think was the command center. Jack What aluminum van? The aluminum van at upper right. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,Robin is correct, It's not my theory. I just did an interpretation based on Geoff's theory. Duncan Thanks Duncan. Martin We have slightly differing views on this one, that's OK friends are allowed to see things differently. Re-Creation from JFK The Movie Interesting shot! I note that they left out the ALUMINUM VAN which I think was the command center. Jack What aluminum van? The aluminum van at upper right. Jack Why would you think that van should appear in the photo of the motorcycle cop Duncan posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,Robin is correct, It's not my theory. I just did an interpretation based on Geoff's theory. Duncan Thanks Duncan. Martin We have slightly differing views on this one, that's OK friends are allowed to see things differently. Re-Creation from JFK The Movie Interesting shot! I note that they left out the ALUMINUM VAN which I think was the command center. Jack What aluminum van? The aluminum van at upper right. Jack Why would you think that van should appear in the photo of the motorcycle cop Duncan posted? No...I was replying to the image from the Stone movie. For some reason the image did not repeat. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd W. Vaughan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean,Robin is correct, It's not my theory. I just did an interpretation based on Geoff's theory. Duncan Thanks Duncan. Martin We have slightly differing views on this one, that's OK friends are allowed to see things differently. Re-Creation from JFK The Movie Interesting shot! I note that they left out the ALUMINUM VAN which I think was the command center. Jack What aluminum van? The aluminum van at upper right. Jack Why would you think that van should appear in the photo of the motorcycle cop Duncan posted? No...I was replying to the image from the Stone movie. For some reason the image did not repeat. Jack Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dean...I worried with BDM for years, and finally came up with this theory:He (it) is only seen in Willis and Betzner. I think that GORDON ARNOLD was in the original photos. Panic...a SOLDIER pictured with a CAMERA, identity unknown. Instead of just retouching him out (in case he later shows up) they had retouch artists obscure him with an indistinct blurry figure. In other words...there was NO BDM. It is as good as any other theories that have been floated. Jack Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the BDM subject Of course your theory is just as possible as the woman and child theory One thing is for sure, the BDM mystery is one that has always been in the back of my head no matter what research I am doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 Dean,Robin is correct, It's not my theory. I just did an interpretation based on Geoff's theory. Duncan Duncan...that is a very interesting photo of the cop looking at something! Any idea what he is looking at? Jack It's just a fake image I knocked up Jack. It represents the guy who ran up the steps covering and protecting his wife and child, the possible BDM. I just added the Policeman to make it a more realistic looking scene. Duncan Hi Duncan. Is it meant to show the woman and child lying down behind the wall, similar to the Newman's, and Hester's. ? "SPECULATION" only The gunfire starts, woman & child duck down on the ground behind the wall for protection. Running man looks around sees his family missing, and bolts up the steps ( as seen in Nix ) The family can't be seen in some of the other photo's because they are still lying down behind the wall. Look at the Newman's they were lying down flat on the ground for a LONG time, as can be seen in many photo's and films. NOW, if i can only find a photo of the family together after the assassination. that would seal the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Dean,Robin is correct, It's not my theory. I just did an interpretation based on Geoff's theory. Duncan Duncan...that is a very interesting photo of the cop looking at something! Any idea what he is looking at? Jack It's just a fake image I knocked up Jack. It represents the guy who ran up the steps covering and protecting his wife and child, the possible BDM. I just added the Policeman to make it a more realistic looking scene. Duncan Hi Duncan. Is it meant to show the woman and child lying down behind the wall, similar to the Newman's, and Hester's. ? "SPECULATION" only The gunfire starts, woman & child duck down on the ground behind the wall for protection. Running man looks around sees his family missing, and bolts up the steps ( as seen in Nix ) The family can't be seen in some of the other photo's because they are still lying down behind the wall. Look at the Newman's they were lying down flat on the ground for a LONG time, as can be seen in many photo's and films. NOW, if i can only find a photo of the family together after the assassination. that would seal the deal. Good call Robin I would call it Educated Speculation (like an educated guess) What you are saying is that you want to find the family in a film before the Darnell film that shows them correct? Im already behind you on this theory but if you find what you are looking for that will make this theory very strong Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) Thanks Dean. Mother & child seen in Murray. Edited January 23, 2010 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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