John Dolva Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Great. Is that a photo ( top) of 'the' carcano or a carcano? Thomas Purvis (on the forum) at one time did a very comprehensive, but long, detailing of the carcano and its variants. Add to that it's historically a variant in itself in parts of the mauser which again has many variants. edit add One important difference I can see is that the two rifles are presented differently rotation wise. these are THE carcanos... the top is the NARA photo, the bottom you know... and yes, there is a slight difference in the rotation... Can you tell me where #3 appears on the BYP? Can you tell me why the NARA image does not have the round silver circle #4? Can you explain why every single image of the carcano shows a bottom mount sling ring EXCEPT for the rifle in evidence? Will you ever incorporate the rest of the evidence in considering the authenticity of the BYP... I'd like to know what you feel is the most compelling evidence in SUPPORT of the 3 BYPs being genuine DJ 4's not there because it's a reflection and the tilting (and rotating) and lighting is different. Don't know if every carcano photo shows a ring or not. I can't see any definite difference in 3. Will I ever? I don't know. Most compelling? I've spent a long time on those some time ago (years) (I'm not going to be able to do that again any time soon) in all sorts of analysis and I've also lived my life with cameras and my dad was an avid photographer. I see reasonable doubt possible in all that I've looked at. I don't see how the photos beiong genuine in any way detracts from the assassination being a conspiracy. Nor (come to think of it) what my opinion on the matter matters for that matter. I think we can agree that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK and that there is an ongoing conspiracy to cover that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) TWO more photo of Oswalds right hand Click on the image to view FULL SIZE Edited March 28, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Are you sure that is Oswalds hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) 90% sure Looks like oswalds ring ? Large Crop click on thumbnail to view FULL SIZE Edited March 28, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Great. Is that a photo ( top) of 'the' carcano or a carcano? Thomas Purvis (on the forum) at one time did a very comprehensive, but long, detailing of the carcano and its variants. Add to that it's historically a variant in itself in parts of the mauser which again has many variants. edit add One important difference I can see is that the two rifles are presented differently rotation wise. these are THE carcanos... the top is the NARA photo, the bottom you know... and yes, there is a slight difference in the rotation... Can you tell me where #3 appears on the BYP? Can you tell me why the NARA image does not have the round silver circle #4? Can you explain why every single image of the carcano shows a bottom mount sling ring EXCEPT for the rifle in evidence? Will you ever incorporate the rest of the evidence in considering the authenticity of the BYP... I'd like to know what you feel is the most compelling evidence in SUPPORT of the 3 BYPs being genuine DJ 4's not there because it's a reflection and the tilting (and rotating) and lighting is different. Don't know if every carcano photo shows a ring or not. I can't see any definite difference in 3. Will I ever? I don't know. Most compelling? I've spent a long time on those some time ago (years) (I'm not going to be able to do that again any time soon) in all sorts of analysis and I've also lived my life with cameras and my dad was an avid photographer. I see reasonable doubt possible in all that I've looked at. I don't see how the photos beiong genuine in any way detracts from the assassination being a conspiracy. Nor (come to think of it) what my opinion on the matter matters for that matter. I think we can agree that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK and that there is an ongoing conspiracy to cover that up. you wrote: Most compelling? I've spent a long time on those some time ago (years) (I'm not going to be able to do that again any time soon) in all sorts of analysis and I've also lived my life with cameras and my dad was an avid photographer. I see reasonable doubt possible in all that I've looked at. Do I read this correctly? The most compelling evidence that the photos are genuine is you seeing reasonable doubt that they are genuine? John, we have the micro and macro problems here... Whether these photos are genuine or not does not make or break the MACRO case, exactly - from the micro view these are photos that supposedly places the assassination rifle he never rec'd in his possession, a revovler he never rec'd on his belt, taken weeks before he supposedly rec'd them by Marina who can't remember how the camera works (even though she's only taken a handful of photos) or how many images she took, in a series of poses that appear physically impossible with his head in virtually the same exact location and size even though the photos are taken from different distances, which were found at 3:30pm on 11/23 yet shown to Michael on 11/22 and while Fritz asks about them at noon on 11/23, with the DPD recording the 2 negatives into evidence only to lose one of them so compariosn between images cannot be adequately done, with additional copies in the possession of the families of the men who "found" them... One of which appears on the cover ot LIFE sealing Oswald's fate in the court of public opinion... No John, if they were genuine, and those are the actual weapons used, and Oswald posed out of some unknown desire to have these images in his portfolio... it suggests that the Kleins documentation is correct (does THAT detract from there being a conspiracy?), that the rifle WAS in the Paine garage and ultimately taken to the TSBD as it was no longer at the Paine residence... that Railway did indeed hand over a revolver carton to Hidell/Oswald, and did collect the COD and send to Seaport and did collect the shipping and deposited it in their account. That the Money Order to Kleins was legit... that they did indeed live at Neely... that he did have a way to clean the rifle after the Walker shots and burying the rifle... that he bought ammunition, Etc, Etc, Etc... Doesn't change the fact that Oswald was not the man in Mexico, or in Alice, or at the Sports Drome, or at Odio's or, or, or... so now - it is not make or break or we can say that the pix are legit and the Paines simply allowed somone to take the rifle and plant it in the TSBD? Yet that doesn't explain the other discrepancies in the evidence related to the weapons. So imo John, accepting the BYP as authentic leads one down a path that cannot be supported by the evidence... and is in fact contradicted by the evidence... Believing in the BYP is the same as believing in the Bethesda xrays, 3 shots 3 hits 1 shooter, the magic bullet, CE399 being involved and a single casket entry into Bethesda... Possible yet that belief does in deed change the nature of the conspiracy and gives credibility to SOME of the fabricated evidence. IDK about you but I've not seen compelling evidence that they are authentic since the process to create the image would incorporate the use of the original camera and therefore have the same markings as Shaneyfelt explains.... Has a photographic expert in the creation of these types of images ever been tasked to take an original negative from that type of camera and replicate the final product in the same manner as is suggested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Okay, Tommy- David's comparison of the hands? Is that better? Don, That's much better Thank you. Even better, IMHO, would be: "David's recent posting of photographs on this forum, all of which show hands which may or may not all be Oswald's -- Impossible to determine due to poor resolution, different angles, etc." (LOL) Thanks, --Tommy Edited March 28, 2013 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Ok John There is a slight possibility that it could be a cops arm, reaching across Oswald. ?? Not 100% sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) John After checking i believe you may be correct, it may not be Oswalds hand. In this image it clearly shows Oswald has his ring and bracelet on his LEFT hand. Edited March 28, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 This is the clearest back yard photo i have. It shows the ring on the right hand. Click on image to view full size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 The image of Oswald in Russia, on the train with Marina also shows what looks like a wedding ring on the right hand... (attached) I believe the ring on his left in the arrest photos was the Marine Ring. Which is listed on CSS7992 with his ID bracelet. I don't know of a picture with Oswald wearing the plain gold band on his left hand... did a quick search... here's probably why. History According to the Baylor University Medical Center website, classical Greek and Roman culture implied that the left side was sinister (the word “left” comes from the Latin “sinestra,” meaning “sinister”). This tradition carried into Europe, as we see Old English using the word "left" to imply weakness or fault. Wearing the wedding ring on the right hand has become popular for this reason, just as most men offer handshakes with the right hand. Culture Most men continue to wear weddings rings on the left hand in America, Sweden, France, and the UK. In many other European countries, it has become fashionable for men to wear their wedding bands on the right hand. Men's wedding rings, in general, are still a relatively new tradition. Because men's bands have only become popular in the last century, the trends are not set in stone. Men have the freedom to choose to wear the wedding ring on the right hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Newell Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 From the angle of the arm, and the appearance that the hand is lifting the paper I think it is the officer's hand...imo......Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) LHO's marine ring and his marine id bracelet were on his left hand and wrist..fwiw.b Edited March 29, 2013 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Interesting that it says "LEE" in handwritting... when if we are to accept Armstrong's premise... HARVEY here is making an interesting statement.... B, do you know when he got the bracelet and whether HE engraves it or it was done for him by ??? Thanks DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Interesting that it says "LEE" in handwritting... when if we are to accept Armstrong's premise... HARVEY here is making an interesting statement.... B, do you know when he got the bracelet and whether HE engraves it or it was done for him by ??? Thanks DJ it states that it is a marine id bracelet, perhaps upon joining...i really have no idea, but will keep my eyes open if anything comes up..take care have a great safe happy easter holiday weekend ...b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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