Andrej Stancak Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 9 hours ago, Chris Davidson said: Andrej, Myers didn't assume anything. You are wise to doubt his timeline. No opinion necessary, just a matter of excised frames. Chris: sure, Mr. Myers correlated Wiegman's frame 15 with Z-frame 257, it was myself who assumed (based on Mr. Myers's timeline) that the frame Z-255 would be Wiegman's frame 14 or 15. Would you like to comment on the excised frames? Would it matter Zapruder's film or Wiegman's film or both? The temporal coordination of Altgens6 and Wiegman's film is essential for reconstruction of Prayer Man and other people in the doorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I left a few clues for you in the "Splice In Tina Towner Film" topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) On 4/20/2017 at 0:05 AM, Andrej Stancak said: Chris: sure, Mr. Myers correlated Wiegman's frame 15 with Z-frame 257, it was myself who assumed (based on Mr. Myers's timeline) that the frame Z-255 would be Wiegman's frame 14 or 15. Would you like to comment on the excised frames? Would it matter Zapruder's film or Wiegman's film or both? The temporal coordination of Altgens6 and Wiegman's film is essential for reconstruction of Prayer Man and other people in the doorway. Andrej, If Carl Jones was looking eastward in Altgen's 6, what would be an event/sound that would cause him to look westward? Answer this question and you might begin to understand the Myer's frame sync deception. Edited April 26, 2017 by Chris Davidson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrej Stancak Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said: Andrej, If Carl Jones was looking eastward in Altgen's 6, what would be the next event/sound that would cause him to look westward? Answer this question and you might begin to understand the Myer's frame sync deception. Well, it would be a gun shot coming from the west, wouldn't it? I am not sure in my previous guess that frame 1 in Wiegman's film could coincide with Altgens6, and will pursue the thing further with a new version of the doorway model before making a more qualified guess. The problem is that W-frame 1 shows Carl Jones with an appropriate body orientation relative to Altgens6 but Billy Lovelady is not at the spot where he should be if his position in W-1 is identical to Altgens6. Edited April 26, 2017 by Andrej Stancak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 (edited) Wiegman composite. In Wiegman the bystanders were lined up in a row, from the traffic light across to the corner of the tsbd Edited April 27, 2017 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 In Altgens 6 Lovelady was standing next to the hand rail which is where we see him in Wiegman. he only appears to be closer to Carl Jones because Altgens was using a 105mm telephoto lens which produced a forshortening effect in the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Robin, I can appreciate what you are saying and the telephoto lens and all, yet this image from Hughes shows that figure closer to the left wall than center handrail. It's as if he moves to his left throughout. The bottom right corner of the image is Lovelady not very long after the Hughes image - yet no one stated that he moved from the corner to the middle, only Wesley who claims he was a few steps below him.. It would also appear that Prayerman is directly behind Lovelady in Hughes, or that person is not Lovelady but Oswald/Prayerman, and he simply steps back into the shadows... Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanessa Loney Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Latest SD24 - Prayer Man in Photos https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=728&v=Ujv2UXHV0J0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 6/9/2017 at 0:35 AM, David Josephs said: Robin, I can appreciate what you are saying and the telephoto lens and all, yet this image from Hughes shows that figure closer to the left wall than center handrail. It's as if he moves to his left throughout. The bottom right corner of the image is Lovelady not very long after the Hughes image - yet no one stated that he moved from the corner to the middle, only Wesley who claims he was a few steps below him.. It would also appear that Prayerman is directly behind Lovelady in Hughes, or that person is not Lovelady but Oswald/Prayerman, and he simply steps back into the shadows... Thoughts? I agree with your comments, David. Lovelady moves from the left side of the top of the steps towards the middle, obviously because he wanted to watch the President's limo as it moved down Elm Street. I agree that behind Lovely, in the Hughes image, is a figure which is probably prayer man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 On 9/4/2017 at 3:07 AM, Ray Mitcham said: I agree with your comments, David. Lovelady moves from the left side of the top of the steps towards the middle, obviously because he wanted to watch the President's limo as it moved down Elm Street. I agree that behind Lovely, in the Hughes image, is a figure which is probably prayer man. The other possibility is that the man in color on the left steps BACK... and Lovelady was always in the center of the stairway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 On 9/5/2017 at 8:50 AM, David Josephs said: On 9/4/2017 at 4:07 AM, Ray Mitcham said: I agree with your comments, David. Lovelady moves from the left side of the top of the steps towards the middle, obviously because he wanted to watch the President's limo as it moved down Elm Street. I agree that behind Lovely, in the Hughes image, is a figure which is probably prayer man. The other possibility is that the man in color on the left steps BACK... and Lovelady was always in the center of the stairway... I'm glad you point out that other possibility, David. If that were the case, the man stepping back might be Prayer Man. (I have a feeling that that was not the case, because I think that Prayer man was holding something in his two hands. A camera iMO.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) I've heard about that camera or "something" in his hands... I don't agree, especially that it was a camera... This is the best enhancement I've seen to day... The hands are separated My concern that it's not Oswald are the sleeves being rolled up so high... he did not wear clothes like that... unless I'm wrong about the sleeves... PM's hair markings and squared shoulders start pushing me into the Oswald direction... and then there's the Carolyn Arnold statement... even the messed up FBI one puts Oswald near the PM position Edited September 11, 2017 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, David Josephs said: I've heard about that camera or "something" in his hands... I don't agree, especially that it was a camera... This is the best enhancement I've seen to day... The hands are separated David, Of course Prayer Man has something in his hands. Otherwise why would he keep his hands at chest level for such a long time? And the hands WOULD be separated had Prayer Man been holding a camera like this in his hands. One hand holding the top of the camera and the other the bottom. His right hand is holding the top of the camera, his left hand the bottom. When the camera is at chest level, his hands are at about the same level and so the camera it oriented on its side. (Well, at a 10 degree angle or so from horizontal.) If you watch a good animated gif carefully, you can see his right hand rising more than his left as he brings the camera to eye level. This rotates the camera to its correct orientation for taking pictures. (See the figure on the right below.) The top lens explains the bright spot seen in the film. Light entering the viewfinder exits that lens. Same as what we see above. As for the shirt, my understanding is that we don't know what shirt Oswald was wearing. Edited September 8, 2017 by Sandy Larsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 27 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said: As for the shirt, my understanding is that we don't know what shirt Oswald was wearing. Not true... he changed out of a Briarloom Traditionals shirt which he left with his pants in his dresser after changing at Beckley. One of the first exhibits the FBI/DPD did not take a photo of.... but they took the overshirt to DC that night... With regards to something in his hands.... you feel he'd hold a camera in the same position, not moving his hands or separating them at all? This is before and after... nothing seems to have moved at all... The head is not bent over to look down into a camera... I just don't see it that way I guess... From Bookout's report: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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