David Andrews Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Can someone tell me a way to capture and save Post # 25 without cut-and-paste that destroys the format? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Goin Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 David, right click on the page, choose select all, then copy, then paste where you want it and edit out content you don't want, Here is my edit for post 25, Tony #25 Bill Simpich Experienced Member Members 54 posts Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:29 AM To David's question about organizational charts for use in reading State Secret...I could build on this, but this should help. You will notice that many of these players didn't make the final cut, but it's good to get them out there. Headquarters CI Staff and Staff D: "Division D ranked with Jim Angleton's Counterintelligence/Counterespionage Staff as the most secret of the Agency's Clandestine Services." - Bayard Stockton, Flawed Patriot, p. 111. James Angleton Bill Harvey Frank Belsito C/FI (or Colby?) (Martin O. Hibbert) C/CI C, FI/D 59-61 Justin O'Donnell Staff D, case officer for QJ/WIN, got out of ZR/RIFLE Anita Potocki FI/D 61 Ann Goodpasture FI/D http://www.spartacus...goodpasture.jpg Paul Levister FI/D Ops James Hunt John Mertz (Mertz) (Mertz) DC/CI 62 Executive Officer C/CI/PROJECT aka ZRCHEST 59-63 Chief, CI Staff 62 (HTLINGUAL) Sp. Asst, DCI 65 James P. O'Connor C/TSD/LSS 62 (Miler) (David Christ) "on top" of TSS/FI/D 59-63 HTLINGUAL Birch O'Neal = Sheffield Edwards Paul Gaynor Ray Rocca T. K. (Kim) Chalmers Ryan CI/SIG 55 C/OS C/SRS CIRA 63-64 Chief, CI Staff, SPG 60 C/CI/SIG 63 Special Projects Group Will Potocki Jane Roman James McCord DD/P/SR 59 CI/LS 59-63 SRS CIOPS 63 64 Domestic Operations DivisionTracy Barnes - formed in 1962 (Russell, p. 473) Howard Hunt (Chief, DOD, R&P (is that covert action?) - Feb. 63 Paul Hartman SPG 63 R&A 63-64 CI Staff 64 CI Staff 64 N. Scott Miler M. D. Stevens deputy CI-SIG 55 SRS analyst CI-SIG 66 E. Mendoza SRS analyst Ann Egerter CI-SIG Analyst 59-63 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Soviet Union section C/SR David Murphy 1963 C/SR/CI Pete Bagley 62- (Angleton's man) Russ Langelle C/SR/OS/WH 63 communications officer in Moscow & Popov's case officer, 59 SR/CI/A Stephan Roll Louise Lyon Kay Grady B. Stacy Stephan Roll Bill Bright SR/CI/RED 62 SR/CE SR/6/Stacy 60 C/SR/CI/RED SR/CE/P 60 (Newman, 493) SR/CI/RED/WCB (WCB are Bright's initials)SR/CI/A June 63 Domestic Contacts Division Howard Hunt, Chief of Domestic Contacts Division(Morley, p. 163) Reports Office, 1944 E.S. Ashcraft - Chief of Domestic Contacts Division Robert Crowley - C, Operational Support Branch/CI 1953 Domestic Contacts, Support, 1959 Chief, Contact Division, OO, 1962 -1962 Anthony (Tony) Czajkowski, 1953 1953, OO/C - contact for Matlack George S. Musulin 1962-19701963 - Domestic Exploitation unit/task force within SAS1963 worked with Matlack of ACSI - domestic exploitation 1967, with Travis R.S. Travis aka Bob Travis CD/DO 1960 OO/CD 1963 1964 1964, CD/DO case, Support Branch 1964, Support Branch, Contact Division - OO 67 with Czajkowski James Balog - New York office, 1963 Lloyd A. Ray - New Orleans field office 67 (William Gaudet - source of New Orleans office between 1948 to at least 1961) J. Walton Moore - 50s - 1977 - Dallas field office (George de Mohrenschildt - source of Dallas office between the 1950s to 1963) C/PW Seymour Bolten/Trouchard (62-63) (64 - SAS/SO/SB) C/PW George Joannides/Newby (63-64)_______________________________________________________________________________________________ Special Affairs Staff (formerly Task Force W) William Harvey, chief, 62 (TFW) Desmond Fitzgerald, chief, 63-67 (SAS) Victor Wallen C/TFW/CI 62 Hal Swenson, C/SAS/CI 63-65 C/SAS/CI/OPS, the originator of the 9/10/63 memo about recruiting Azcue. Sforza was at TFW in 62, SAS/FI and AMOT c/o in 63 AA Maloney C/SAS/MOB 63 Edward Marelius, C/SAS/EOB 62-63 John Tilton DC/SAS/MOB 63 DC/SAS/EOB ? (Brings Victor Vicente to Cuba) Paul Maggio C/SAS/MOB/FI 63 C/WH/SA/MOB/FI. 64 SAS/CI Nestor Sanchez SAS/SO Henry Hecksher (high level, Ult Sac 39) aka Henry Boysen Ops Officer - Deputy COS - August 61 Frederick Inghurst - deputy COS (re Joannides personnel file) - field contracting officer Austin Horn, SAS/CI liaison with FBI, 62 SAS/SO Charles Anderson III (SAS/CI L. Demos signs his routing slip on 10/8/63)former phone tap expert in Mexico City L. Demos, July 63 re Azcue SAS/CE Anita Potocki 63 SAS/CI Tansing - supervisor to Barney Hidalgo (Blunt source) SAS/CI Richard Tansing was "SAS 8" may be OS related, does "facilitation", a SSD function (security support) Other SAS/CI, or TFW/CI: Barney Hidalgo, Wilmer Kerbe, Vivian Petrowski, Lois Frederickson, Paul Maggio 62 Pauline Miller JMWAVEC/JMWAVE (Shackley)Shackley's 2nd in command, exec officer, David Morales Shackley's chief of operations Here's the CIA flowchart for JMWAVE: COS and DCOS, w/secretaries and communicators Branches: Support, Ops Branch of FI and Special Ops, CA Branch, External Ops Branch, Reports Section, Technical Services Section AMOT Military Matters chiefC/JMWAVE/FI Frank Belsito,Answers to Sforza, "AMOT case officer" 63 and FI C/Miami field office, Justin Gleichauf Cuban Operations Group Paul Oberst COG/CA 63 Carl Trettin Deputy COG, CI 63 Margaret Forsyth, COG, 63 _____________________________________________________________________________________ Mexico City Station Win Scott, Chief Alan White, Deputy Chief David Phillips, Cuban ops Paul Manell, Soviet desk Anne Goodpasture, operations officer Jeremy Niarcos/Tom Keenan true name Robert Shaw Cuban Barbara Manell, " case officer Arnold Arehart/Charles Flick true name tapes technician/chief of intercept center Bill Bright - transport of tapes/transcripts/photos Sept. 63 collected tapes/transcripts with Niarcos/Keenan _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Western Hemisphere Chief, J. C. King C/WH/OPS (William Hood) C/WH/R (pseudo L.N. Gallary) WH/3 Central America WH/4 Cuba Mexico City Station Paul Oberst WH/C/CA (covert action chief 61) John Whitten Jake Esterline Win Scott chief David Phillips 63 C/WH/3 C/WH/4/CI (A.C. Davies) 63 CI capacity C/WH/CA WH/4/CI Jean Pierson 61 Biggest Staff D station WH/3/Mexico C/WH/4/Prop (D. Phillips) 61 Charlotte Bustos Margaret Forsyth 61 WH/4/PA-PROP John Tilton 62 WH/4/PA-PROP Joseph Langan, C/WH/4/Security William E. Eisemann, C/WH/4/Support Biography: http://educationforu...showtopic=14862 Quote MultiQuote Report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Thanks - it still wrecks the formatting though, so one would have to realign it all by comparing windows.. Will do when I have more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Bill, FWIW, I noticed that Gerard Droller (aka Frank Bender) is listed as WH/4/PA on the June 1961 document on which Dave Phillips' position is C/WH/4/Prop. --Tommy Edited February 28, 2014 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Simpich Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Tommy, Once we agree on a format, we can add and subtract to this model. I have several changes I'd like to make, but wanted to get it out there rather than jiggle the already-shaky formatting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kelly Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 ... my speculation is that Oswald was mulled over by the planners after hosty wrote his sept 10 memo saying that lho was active with the FPCC and was seeking CPUSA membership. Within days Tilton and Anderson set up their anti FPCC operation. A day later Oswald obtained a Mexican visa. On the 25th Harvey's buddy Will Potocki got a copy of the Hosty memo. On the 27th Oswald showed the Cubans his FPCC and CPUSA cards. I think that and the soviet visit the next morning closed out the Tilton/Anderson operation. I am agnostic about whether this person was oswald. I don't think it matters much. I do believe that Oswald was impersonated in the calls of sept 28 and oct 1. I think that was tied to the plans to kill JFK as one of several options. I think the plans included attempts in Chicago and Tampa and Miami but don't have an opinion on the amount of lead time for those. Bill: I too am enjoying your book, and it provides excellent perspective on the intelligence games afoot, as well as the players involved. I think it's very telling that the Lechuga-Atwood back channel discussion on Castro-JFK rapprochement occurs on 9/23, in the midst of all these machinations... mystery man at the consulate, molehunt aimed at JMWave, Duran/Oswald phone calls. So many operations being conducted at multiple levels tend to make one dizzy. The 9/23 back channel talk seems the precipitating event for all that follows, and the time at which when Oswald is earmarked as a patsy by the planners. Tilton and Anderson are names that I never considered... I wonder whether they had knowledge of the plot? Given all of the agencies involved and complex interests at play, it makes me believe that someone (CIA, FBI, MI6, even KGB) would have got wind of the plot and responsibly tried to thwart it. Similar to the Russell/Nagel story. Its hard for me to belive that everyone is a bad guy in this story. Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Simpich Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Gene, Tilton and Anderson are really interesting. I'm not convinced that they had knowledge of any plan to kill the President. I think the plans were very tightly held by the group that impersonated Oswald. Everyone else at the CIA, from Angleton to Phillips to Goodpasture, was just trying to figure out who impersonated Oswald and Duran. The FBI didn't know about the impersonation until the Dallas agents heard the tape after the assassination. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Bill, As you have been doing your research have you ever read the interview of LHO's fellow Marine Allen R. Felde, where he describes the "books" Oswald had in his possession? See below 1224. Commission Document 1229 - FBI Schoenecker Report of 26 Jun 1964 MILWAUKEE 5 pages re: Oswald - Russia/Cubapage 1LEE HARVEY OSWALD ALLAN R FELDE Milwaukee Wisconsin advised that he served in the U.S..Marine Corps from October 1956 to September 1957 with LEE HARVEY OSWALD. FELDE described OSWALD as continually discussing politics and writing to U.S. Senators.....OSWALD condemned U.S. participation in the Korean War.OSWALD continually wrote to United States Senators about certain issues in which OSWALD believed strongly but which were not known to FELDE. One Senator in particular who was in receipt of a number of letters was Senator THURMAN.SALSINI stated he had no further information outside of that already reported in the newspaper articlepage 2of November 24, 1963.Date June 26, 1964ALLEN R FELDE 3307 North 22nd Street, advised that he had enlisted in the United States Marine Corps at Milwaukee, Wisconsin in October 1956 and had met LEE HARVEY OSWALD as a United States Marine Corps recruit about October 23, 1956 while both of them were assigned to Platoon 2060, 2nd Battalion, M.C.R.D., San Diego, California. Both men were stationed at San Diego until January, 1957, at which time FELDE stated they were transferred to Camp Pendleton page 3 association with OSWALD that OSWALD was "left-winged." According to FELDE, at the time the eight-man-squad was assigned to Camp Pendleton and was permitted to take their first weekend leave, the entire group took a taxi cab to Tijuana, Mexico at which point OSWALD left the squad and was seen again only when the squad returned to Camp Pendleton. FELDE said this was also true of at least four other weekend leaves that the men took in Los Angeles. Oswald would ride with the group to Los Angeles in a bus but would leave the rest of the men at the bus depot and would not be observed again until the squad returned to Camp Pendleton. FELDE recalled that OSWALD spent much of his time reading in Marine base libraries as well as in his quarters. During the time he was at Camp Pendleton and also Jacksonville, Florida as well as Memphis, Tennessee, OSWALD was observed with a brown leatherette covered book with gold Old English type letters about 250 pages thick and a small blue book about 100 pages. FELDE did not know the nature of these books. I suppose some people find the question as to what were these books and how they relate insofar as Oswald's activities as being unimportant, or irrelevant. I do not share that view; the "gold Old English type letters" strikes me as being possibly of a religous or an esoteric slant, Tolstoy Foundation or Mexico related? Just curious as to if you'd seen this. Congrats on your book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Simpich Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Thanks, Robert. I spent a lot of time thinking about "Oswald in Memphis". At the end, it's inconclusive for me because Felde refuses to be interviewed. I don't know how to evaluate his story. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kelly Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Gene, Tilton and Anderson are really interesting. I'm not convinced that they had knowledge of any plan to kill the President. I think the plans were very tightly held by the group that impersonated Oswald. Everyone else at the CIA, from Angleton to Phillips to Goodpasture, was just trying to figure out who impersonated Oswald and Duran. The FBI didn't know about the impersonation until the Dallas agents heard the tape after the assassination. Bill Bill: I'd be interested to know more about John Tilton and Charles Anderson. Both were members of Harvey's SAS. I've often felt that Harvey (his motives, affiliations and "distancing" in Rome) makes for quite a motivated plotter. I like the focus on Mexico City (MC) as an 'epicenter' of sorts... although other authors have pointed to the Atwood back-channel event as a precipitating event, springing the plotters into actual action. That's why I think its occurrence in the midst of these MC impersonation scenes is telling. Orchestrated visits to the Cuban consulate and Soviet embassy are major ground shocks ... it's seems clear these drove the coverup (i.e. reluctance to investigate more effectively) after the assassination. The other milestone that helps tie together this complex story for me is taking Oswald off of the FBI watchlist on October 9th... what John Newman termed "dimming the switch". A tightly compartmentalized plot -- which is logical (for such an extreme executive action) and fits with tradecraft -- seems to be setting up insurance against mainstream CIA (whatever that it) and FBI, ensuring they'll not divulge (or seriously investigate) the overt/official manipulations and use of Oswald after the big event. Whoever set that up and orchestrated it knew the interworkings of CIA and FBI intimately; that's why I'm so drawn to Harvey. Do you have any evidence that Harvey visited MC during this period? I know he had been banished to Paris, but presume he could travel with impunity. Your work allows me to view Oswald as a lot more than just a convenient Marxist patsy; he's involved in something (at a superficial level), plus he's integrally connected to the FBI and CIA in ways that cannot be allowed to surface later for many reasons. Oswald is not simply a patsy (or a two different people diversion); he's a buffer or firewall, that will not only prevent the agencies best equipped to find out what really happened, but whose bona fides and cover are buried (by experts) within the most deceptive and complex personnel file one could ever hope to have as a cover. Oswald becomes a perfect patsy before, during and after... guaranteed to last for a long time. Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Simpich Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Gene, you nailed it when you said Oswald was a firewall. I had been searching for the right way to gedet that idea across. It's more than just the blackmail or the complex legend. He heightens the compartmentalization that already existed. For example, I don't think John Whitten had any idea that Oswald was being used for a molehunt, even though his subordinate Charlotte Bustos may have had a clue. Tilton had a propaganda job answering to Seymour Bolten during Harvey's tenure. In 63, Tilton worked with the SAS' Maritime Operations Branch. An anti-FPCC operation was easy for him. Tilton was a tough guy, but why would he want to be involved in an assassination attempt while he's all over the FPCC paperwork? Makes no sense to me. Anderson is tougher to figure out. He only had the FPCC file between August 1 to Oct 15. He monitored LHO's NO time very closely. On Sept 13, he got the memo from Hosty saying Oswald had an FPCC card and a subscription to the Daily Worker. Two weeks later, the Oswald character is at the Cuban consulate displaying an FPCC card and a CPUSA card. That's more than simple coincidence. Right after Anderson convinced Gheesling to dim the lights on Oct 9, Anderson got a copy of the Oct 10 memo saying that Oswald called the Soviet consulate on Oct 1. All indications are that was a call by the Oswald impersonator. That would mean that Anderson got wind of the news that someone used the legend to piggy-back on his operation. That would mean that the FBI knew something was wrong. Anderson passed on the FPCC file to another colleague on Oct 15. Anderson may have known that the Oswald character was, but may have known no more than that. Was that a good reason to be complacent and not have Oswald on any kind of security? It doesn't seem like it, even if they trusted Oswald himself. No evidence that Harvey was physically in MC during this period, but he had access to the Staff D wiretap traffic until at least Oct 11. His former subordinate Alex MacMillan was running Staff D at this time. A specialist known as "Paul Levister" visited MC between Sept 21-Oct 1 and wrote a fifty page memo about the two wiretap systems in Mexico City. So Harvey had intimate access to many aspects of the MC station. Your point is well taken that Harvey understood the internal workings of the FBI hierarchy as well as the CIA. Morales brought similar knowledge about the internal workings of the AMOTs and military intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kelly Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Gene, you nailed it when you said Oswald was a firewall. I had been searching for the right way to gedet that idea across. It's more than just the blackmail or the complex legend. He heightens the compartmentalization that already existed. For example, I don't think John Whitten had any idea that Oswald was being used for a molehunt, even though his subordinate Charlotte Bustos may have had a clue. Tilton had a propaganda job answering to Seymour Bolten during Harvey's tenure. In 63, Tilton worked with the SAS' Maritime Operations Branch. An anti-FPCC operation was easy for him. Tilton was a tough guy, but why would he want to be involved in an assassination attempt while he's all over the FPCC paperwork? Makes no sense to me. Anderson is tougher to figure out. He only had the FPCC file between August 1 to Oct 15. He monitored LHO's NO time very closely. On Sept 13, he got the memo from Hosty saying Oswald had an FPCC card and a subscription to the Daily Worker. Two weeks later, the Oswald character is at the Cuban consulate displaying an FPCC card and a CPUSA card. That's more than simple coincidence. Right after Anderson convinced Gheesling to dim the lights on Oct 9, Anderson got a copy of the Oct 10 memo saying that Oswald called the Soviet consulate on Oct 1. All indications are that was a call by the Oswald impersonator. That would mean that Anderson got wind of the news that someone used the legend to piggy-back on his operation. That would mean that the FBI knew something was wrong. Anderson passed on the FPCC file to another colleague on Oct 15. Anderson may have known that the Oswald character was, but may have known no more than that. Was that a good reason to be complacent and not have Oswald on any kind of security? It doesn't seem like it, even if they trusted Oswald himself. No evidence that Harvey was physically in MC during this period, but he had access to the Staff D wiretap traffic until at least Oct 11. His former subordinate Alex MacMillan was running Staff D at this time. A specialist known as "Paul Levister" visited MC between Sept 21-Oct 1 and wrote a fifty page memo about the two wiretap systems in Mexico City. So Harvey had intimate access to many aspects of the MC station. Your point is well taken that Harvey understood the internal workings of the FBI hierarchy as well as the CIA. Morales brought similar knowledge about the internal workings of the AMOTs and military intelligence. Bill: A few things that you've pointed out are striking: "Anderson convinced Gheesling to dim the lights". That's pretty striking right there. Then there's John Whitten, who "didn't had any idea that Oswald was being used for a molehunt". Whitten shows up after the assasination, and if I'm remembering my facts, initially runs the CIA investigation before being replaced by Angleton. I am sensitive to Whitten because my sense is that he testified truthfully plus he died in a nursing home recently not too far from where I live. Then, when I go back and revisit my notes from Armstrong and Newman, this all starts to gel. Mexico City is clearly a key that unlocks doors to the plot and intelligence interests. Its also the centerpiece and rationale for the cover-up and formation of the Warren Commission. Your focus on MC is appropriate. After the big event, there is serious world-class CYA going on inside both FBI and CIA... and we can just visualize Harvey and certain JMWave principals sitting back and enjoying the blowback. To quote an old saw: they had the means, motive and opportunity. Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Gene, you nailed it when you said Oswald was a firewall. I had been searching for the right way to gedet that idea across. It's more than just the blackmail or the complex legend. He heightens the compartmentalization that already existed. For example, I don't think John Whitten had any idea that Oswald was being used for a molehunt, even though his subordinate Charlotte Bustos may have had a clue. Tilton had a propaganda job answering to Seymour Bolten during Harvey's tenure. In 63, Tilton worked with the SAS' Maritime Operations Branch. An anti-FPCC operation was easy for him. Tilton was a tough guy, but why would he want to be involved in an assassination attempt while he's all over the FPCC paperwork? Makes no sense to me. Anderson is tougher to figure out. He only had the FPCC file between August 1 to Oct 15. He monitored LHO's NO time very closely. On Sept 13, he got the memo from Hosty saying Oswald had an FPCC card and a subscription to the Daily Worker. Two weeks later, the Oswald character is at the Cuban consulate displaying an FPCC card and a CPUSA card. That's more than simple coincidence. Right after Anderson convinced Gheesling to dim the lights on Oct 9, Anderson got a copy of the Oct 10 memo saying that Oswald called the Soviet consulate on Oct 1. All indications are that was a call by the Oswald impersonator. That would mean that Anderson got wind of the news that someone used the legend to piggy-back on his operation. That would mean that the FBI knew something was wrong. Anderson passed on the FPCC file to another colleague on Oct 15. Anderson may have known that the Oswald character was, but may have known no more than that. Was that a good reason to be complacent and not have Oswald on any kind of security? It doesn't seem like it, even if they trusted Oswald himself. No evidence that Harvey was physically in MC during this period, but he had access to the Staff D wiretap traffic until at least Oct 11. His former subordinate Alex MacMillan was running Staff D at this time. A specialist known as "Paul Levister" visited MC between Sept 21-Oct 1 and wrote a fifty page memo about the two wiretap systems in Mexico City. So Harvey had intimate access to many aspects of the MC station. Your point is well taken that Harvey understood the internal workings of the FBI hierarchy as well as the CIA. Morales brought similar knowledge about the internal workings of the AMOTs and military intelligence. Bill: A few things that you've pointed out are striking: "Anderson convinced Gheesling to dim the lights". That's pretty striking right there. Then there's John Whitten, who "didn't have any idea that Oswald was being used for a molehunt". Whitten shows up after the assasination, and if I'm remembering my facts, initially runs the CIA investigation before being replaced by Angleton. I am sensitive to Whitten because my sense is that he testified truthfully plus he died in a nursing home recently not too far from where I live. Then, when I go back and revisit my notes from Armstrong and Newman, this all starts to gel. Mexico City is clearly a key that unlocks doors to the plot and intelligence interests. Its also the centerpiece and rationale for the cover-up and formation of the Warren Commission. Your focus on MC is appropriate. After the big event, there is serious world-class CYA going on inside both FBI and CIA... and we can just visualize Harvey and certain JMWave principals sitting back and enjoying the blowback. To quote an old saw: they had the means, motive and opportunity. Gene Bill, What I like is that you help us make sense out of the confusing "Mexico City Mystery Man" situation. Thank you for showing us that MCMM was photographed on 10/02/63, one day after an imposter had called the Russian Embassy and identified himself as O-S-W-A-L-D, and that Anne Goodpasture, needing a photo right away of any American-looking man in order to conduct a viable Mexico City-Based Mole hunt (in an effort to find out who had penetrated LI/ENVOY and impersonated Oswald on the phone), chose MCMM's photograph simply because he looked more American than the other men captured on film around 10/01/63. Question: To whom do you think Win Scott was referring when he said in his cable to J.C. King that the man in the photos was "a certain person who is known to you"? Oswald? Moskalev? Or an "inside joke"? http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Photo_Surveillance_and_the_Mystery_Man Thanks, --Tommy Edited March 4, 2014 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Question: To whom do you think Win Scott was referring when he said in his cable to J.C. King that the man in the photos was "a certain person who is known to you"? Oswald? Moskalev? Or an "inside joke"? http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Photo_Surveillance_and_the_Mystery_Man Thanks, --Tommy ************************************************************************************** J.C. King From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search J. C. King Joseph Caldwell King (1900–1977) was the Chief of the Western Hemisphere Division of the CIA in the 1950s and 1960s. He was also known by his CIA code name of Oliver G. Galbond and as Colonel J.C. King. King graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in 1923[citation needed]. King then became a vice-president at Johnson and Johnson in charge of Brazil and Argentina. After this, he joined Nelson Rockefeller's Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs (CIAA), also known as the Rockefeller Office. He was stationed in Argentina from 1941 to 1945, where he was engaged in feeding deceptive information to Japanese agents (see Thaddeus Holt,The Deceivers), and Guatemala from 1952 to 1953. King is believed to have advocated assassination of Che Guevara and Fidel and Raul Castro as early as December 11, 1959[citation needed]. He is also believed to be the CIA point man of the overthrow of João Goulart, President of Brazil, in 1964[citation needed]. King officially retired from the CIA in 1967, but soon came back as a CIA consultant. He was CEO of the Amazon Natural Drug Company, known as a front for the CIA[citation needed]. King's health was deteriorating at that time due to a combination of his age and Parkinson's disease and he died in January 1977. ############################################# Great Southwest Corporation a joined venture with the Rockefellers and the Wynnes, that owned the hotel marina Oswald was secured after the assassination. Another important British-connected company was Empire Trust. This company was controlled by the Rothschilds via Kohn and Loeb. Jack Crichton was part of Empire Trust. Crichton was the one who sent a translator to the Dallas police station to aid the police in their interrogation of Marina Oswald. The translator, Illya Mamantov, used the opportunity to implicate Oswald as the assassin. The British-connected Great Southwest Corporation had control of Marina following the assassination. To paraphrase Peter Dale Scott, the Great Southwest provided Marina with a manager, an attorney, and a hideaway. Her manager was James Martin. The lawyer was William Mackenzie, and the hideaway was the Six Flags Hotel. The Great Southwest was made up of British interests, including Loeb Rhoades, and Anglophiles William Zeckendorf, the Rockefellers, and the Murchison family. A little known fact about the Murchisons is that they had dealing with the Suez Canal Company, which was controlled by the British government. ........So Doyle Smith and Doyle ( Freeport Sulfur law firm) ***** was an extremely British-oriented law firm. It had as client Gulf States Land and Industries which was owned by Mr. Zeckendorf, who had many land deals with the Rothschild-connected Empire Trust. He also had connections to KMT trucking, which indicates a narcotics connection. KMT drugs were often shipped by means of trucks. Zeckendorf had business dealing with Arthur Rubloff, who had investments with Lansky’s casino operations in the Bahamas. Rubloff was also invested in the Great Southwest Corporation. A member of his board on Gulf States Land and Industries was a James R. Stanley. Mr. Stanley worked with D.H. Byrd at Alpha Omega Finance, and he was also a member of Wallace Investments in Dallas. (BTW Jack Crichton (Empire Trust) sat on the board of Dorchester Gas with DH Byrd) ...... Yet the elites were definitely involved, as can be seen through Oswald’s friend, Alexander Bouhe, who was an employee of Lewis McNaughton. McNaughton was part of Empire Trust, a firm which we mentioned earlier was connected to the British and the Rothschilds. McNaughton controlled the Republican National Bank Building. Dresser Industries was there in the building, which was directed by Neil Mallon, a Skull and Bones man. McNaughton had de Mohrenschildt in that building. His (McNaughton) partner was deGolyer. Degolyer was dead by 1963, but before then deGolyer worked and set up the largest independent firm of oil analysts of all time. DeGolyer worked under Lord Cordray, or (AKA) Lord Pearson, who was at Amarata before it was Amarata Hess. Now I recently learned that the British government owned a large chunk of Amarata. Lord Pearson was one of the richest British men that ever lived. He owned Mexican oil, and sold it out in 1938, just at the right time, amazingly, before it was nationalized by the Mexican government. He owned railroads in Brazil and the like. That would indicate that deGolyer had many British connections. The odd thing is that McNaughton tried to get my uncle to work for him. Now let us go into my uncle; I can talk about him now, for he is deceased. He worked in gemology, but he also worked in oil. He told his family, myself among them, that he worked for the CIA in a number of adventures. (SO McNaughton was elite spy and/or MI 6 ????????? ) -------------------------------------------- ***** http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/hidden/freeport-cuba.htm BTW Mr. Ford had worked for McNaughton = see Marina living with Ford's http://jfkassassination.net/russ/exhibits/ce1156.htm ************************* Rose Cheramie narcotics smuggling boat.. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1600&p=283601##################### See http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19718&p=285165 Golly would/could the British elites penetrate CIA ?? At the old DellaRosa site were put up the New York State incorporation papers of the CFR. The CFR has strong British connections. The signature on the cover sheet of these incorporation papers was a one John Foster Dulles...... Edited March 4, 2014 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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