Earl Warren on 1/21/64: “...trace every dollar that we can in possession of Oswald and every dollar that he spent, because we don’t know where his money came from.” AND, the WC considered burning Oswald's body to prevent exhumation.

[Jim Hargrove]

Here's a link to page 8 of the transcript of the WC meeting of Jan. 21, 1964:

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcexec/wcex0121/html/WcEx0121_0009a.htm

Earl Warren's statement seems odd indeed, because FBI agents within hours of the assassination had confiscated original documents of even "Oswald's" teenaged employment, and Rankin and Warren indicated that agents from both the IRS and Treasury Department were involved.   

In the same meeting, as Len Osanic has pointed out, “the WC talks about how they want to exhume Oswald's body, and burn it! At that meeting, Earl Warren says, ‘The question might arise as to something on that body. Now, I don't know what it is.’ and Warren also states he is afraid that ‘they’ [no indication as to who that is] might come and 'exhume him' and 'do something that would further injure the country.’  Extensive discussion goes on among the members about cremating the body or locking it into a mausoleum, and they talk about how they might do this without Marguerite's consent, if Marina might agree to it.”

Now, why would some WC people believe it would “further injure the country” if “Oswald’s” body was exhumed back in 1964?

Thanks to Richard Booth, Len Osanic, and James Norwood for their emails regarding the above.
 

[Stephanie Goldberg]

Is there another link to this transcript?  I do not see a way to make this transcript font larger or darker.  

Edited June 10, 2019 by Stephanie Goldberg

[Ron Bulman]

Surely the esteemed Warren Omission had access to Oswald's tax returns...

[Stephanie Goldberg]

Have we seen Oswald's tax returns yet?

[Ron Bulman]

1 hour ago, Stephanie Goldberg said:

Have we seen Oswald's tax returns yet?

No.  Why?  Pay by the CIA, ONI and or the FBI?  Speculation but why necessary?  If there's nothing to hide... 

[Stephanie Goldberg]

8 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

No.  Why?  Pay by the CIA, ONI and or the FBI?  Speculation but why necessary?  If there's nothing to hide... 

I was thinking about his tax returns this weekend.  Since Marina didn't work outside the house, it wouldn't be a violation of her privacy to see LHO's tax returns for 1962 & 1963.  She wasn't a US citizen then, so no Social Security number even to black out.  

[Ron Bulman]

 

[Ray Mitcham]

Maybe one of our Langley contacts could help tell us why they haven't been released.

[Larry Hancock]

There should be threads here on this in this forum since its come up many times, a search would give some details but to my recollection each time its boiled down to the fact that when the LaFontaines were working with Marina (at the time they did their book), and were quite close to her, they helped her do a request for Lee's tax returns and she did obtain them.  That makes sense given that she does have the legal right to them.  However she chose not to make the returns public at that time, possibly based on their advice. 

Its also worth noting that actual employees of the CIA as well as official informants of the FBI are required to be paid in the standard accounting fashion with appropriate records. However anyone simply serving as a source,  a voluntary asset or otherwise a cooperative individual is not in the payroll system and if they need money they are given cash....through appropriate generic cash accounts or thorough a chain of financial covers. Frank Sturgis has been documented as an official CIA source, not an employee; he was given cash but never in the payroll system.

In one fun CIA employment related  incident, a Cuban exile who had worked as a smuggler and been hired by the CIA as a boat guide for infiltration missions was targeted by Garrison for investigation and Garrison obtained records of a car loan the guy had taken listing the CIA as his employer - the CIA was not amused. In another David Phillips was actually convicted for check fraud for using a cover name while in the U.S....the Agency would not defend him or reimburse him and it did go on his legal record.

 

[Jim Hargrove]

All of “Lee Harvey Oswald’s” remaining tax returns were allegedly released in 1996 with Marina Oswald Porter’s permission.  See them here:

Oswald's Alleged Tax Returns

At least some of these documents, I believe all of them, appear to be fraudulent.  For example, look at the first page of his so-called 1956 IRS form 1040 (which was "released" earlier than the other tax returns:

 

There are a number of things wrong with this document, but one of them is quite obvious if you know the alleged biography of Classic Oswald®.   Can anyone spot it?

[Guest]

LHO Income Tax.

Oswald Income Tax.

Oswald Income 1955-1956.

Oswald Tax Dolly Shoe.

Oswald IRS.

And if anyone went deep into Oswald's finances then it is Phil Barson of the WC, here is 112 pager (49 mb so give it some time), where in great detail notes show quite a bit.

Thanks to Malcolm for the paperwork, PDFs by yours truly.

 

[John Butler]

Jim,

"There are a number of things wrong with this document, but one of them is quite obvious if you know the alleged biography of Classic Oswald®.   Can anyone spot it?"

Since no one has answered this I will give it a try.  Is it the conflict between his address in TX and the addresses of the jobs in N O?

His spelling on this return seems better than later returns.

Here is a timeline for that period which helps:

November 10, 1955: LHO starts work as a messenger boy at Gerald F. Tujague Inc.

 

January, 1956: LHO works as an office boy at J.R. Michels Inc.

 

February, 1956: LHO begins work for Pfisterer Dental Laboratory, where he would be

employed for several months.

 

July, 1956: Marguerite, LHO, and Robert move to Collinswood Street in Fort Worth.

 

September, 1956: LHO enrolls at Arlington Heights High School.

 

September 28, 1956: LHO drops out.

 

October 3, 1956: LHO contacts the Socialist Party of America.

 

October 24, 1956: LHO enlists in the United States Marine Corps at the age of 17.

 

Marine Corps

 

October 26, 1956: LHO reports for duty in San Diego.

 

October 30, 1956: LHO takes a series of aptitude tests in which he scores 2 points below

average overall.

 

December 21, 1956: LHO scores a 212 (Sharpshooter) on a marksmanship test.

 

January 18, 1957: LHO reports to Camp Pendleton, California, where he is assigned to

the "A" Company of the 1st Battalion, 2nd Infantry Training Regiment.

 

February 27, 1957: LHO goes on leave for 2 weeks.

 

He doesn't report taxes for the military for Oct.-Dec. 1956?  Did he file taxes for 1955 as messenger boy?

 

OBTW, having served in the military at a young age you really don't forget you are in the military that early on in your military career.  Particularly, at tax time.  The IRS checks for that sort of thing.

 

Edited June 10, 2019 by John Butler

[Paul Jolliffe]

35 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

All of “Lee Harvey Oswald’s” remaining tax returns were allegedly released in 1996 with Marina Oswald Porter’s permission.  See them here:

Oswald's Alleged Tax Returns

At least some of these documents, I believe all of them, appear to be fraudulent.  For example, look at the first page of his so-called 1956 IRS form 1040 (which was "released" earlier than the other tax returns:

 

There are a number of things wrong with this document, but one of them is quite obvious if you know the alleged biography of Classic Oswald®.   Can anyone spot it?

Jim,

May I assume you are referring to the fact that this document claims that "Oswald" earned $80 at J.R. Michels, when in fact, the FBI had only one (forged) payroll check for $34.50, and even more surprisingly, somehow the FBI knew (BEFORE anyone at J.R. Michels knew!) that "Oswald' had worked briefly at this place in 1956. No one at J.R. Michels in 1963 remembered "Oswald" at all! 

Yet the FBI knew he'd worked there, despite there being no records whatsoever beyond a cancelled payroll check.

[John Butler]

That's two indications of fakery.  Are there more?

[Paul Jolliffe]

For the readership, about the exhumation and cremation of "Oswald's" corpse issue":

When reading page 74 of Jim's original link, it is obvious that Acting Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach wrote to Earl Warren repeatedly ("letters") about the possibility of cremating "Oswald's" corpse. Katzenbach  voiced concern over the expense of cops guarding "Oswald's" grave. 

Such an absurd concern about a trivial amount of money in the latter part of January of 1964 is not worth discussing.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcexec/wcex0121/html/WcEx0121_0074a.htm

But something else is much more interesting to us:  namely just as we saw with the initial pressure on LBJ to create the Warren Commission (without which there could have been no cover-up), Katzenbach again was the chosen conduit from someone outside to pressure the Commission.

Remember, it was to Nicholas Katzenbach that Eugene Rostow made three (!!!) incredibly suspicious phone calls in mid-afternoon on Sunday, November 24, 1963 to pressure Katzenbach to relay Rostow's idea for the Warren Commission to LBJ. Yet Rostow was so concerned about Katzenbach's perceived inaction that Rostow then called LBJ's Press Secretary, Bill Moyers, a call that was taped. 

https://www.maryferrell.org/audio/LbjLib/Audio_lbjlib_WCC1A_Moyers-Rostow_24-Nov-1963_2_1.mp3

"Oswald" was not pronounced dead until 2:07, yet well before 4:00 pm, Rostow made no less than four calls to men close to LBJ to urge the creation of an oversight body composed in part of men from outside the government. These calls become even more intriguing when we realize that Rostow was speaking with (and on behalf of) some other, unnamed party in his office at that very moment!

Rostow used Katzenbach on 11/24/63 to raise an issue which should have been the last thing on anyone's mind at that moment - the prime suspect had just been murdered! - yet Rostow's overriding concern was the creation of a body to oversee (control, limit the damage, censor, etc.) any FBI report!

OK. With that background in mind, I ask:

Who persuaded Katzenbach to write "letters" (PLURAL!) in January to Earl Warren voicing concern about an equally implausible (specious) issue?

We don't know, but I'd bet serious money that it was someone like Eugene Rostow. Rostow was no rube, worried about a few dollars. The pressure to exhume and cremate "Oswald's" mortal remains could only have been to serve some other purpose: to destroy the forensic evidence that the "Oswald" buried in Rose Hill Park Cemetery was NOT the historical Lee Harvey Oswald.

Katzenbach's letters to Earl Warren may yet contain clues about the source of the ludicrous "expense" concern.

We need those letters.

Malcolm Blunt, is there any way to dig Katzenbach's letters to Earl Warren out of the bowels of the Archives?

Edited June 10, 2019 by Paul Jolliffe