EVIDENCE FOR HARVEY AND LEE (Please debate the specifics right here. Don't just claim someone else has debunked it!)

[John Butler]

John K,

What if DNA testing is done and it comes up that the Oswald children are cousins?  I was in Korea a long time ago.  Recently, I've started watching Korean TV dramas on Netflix.  In these crime dramas they do a lot of DNA testing.  Invariably, the villains steal the data, forge the data, or force the lab people to forge the data.  Eventually, in these dramas that gets straighten out, but not always. 

If an outcome becomes positive for relationship, how would we know if it is true?

[W. Tracy Parnell]

56 minutes ago, John Butler said:

John K,

What if DNA testing is done and it comes up that the Oswald children are cousins?  I was in Korea a long time ago.  Recently, I've started watching Korean TV dramas on Netflix.  In these crime dramas they do a lot of DNA testing.  Invariably, the villains steal the data, forge the data, or force the lab people to forge the data.  Eventually, in these dramas that gets straighten out, but not always. 

If an outcome becomes positive for relationship, how would we know if it is true?

I was just about to ask if Marina facilitated such a DNA test (which she isn't going to do since she was bitten once by the 2 Oswald nonsense after the exhumation fiasco) and it showed that Robert and Lee were indeed brothers (as it would) if you guys would stop. But I now have the answer and it is revealing to me about the mindset of the 2 Oswald supporters. OK, I have had my say-you may return to the sandbox.

[John Butler]

Tracy,

I disagree.  In fact the exhumation clearly showed two Ozzies.  I won't argue the point since it has been argued many, many times before.  I don't think you understand what I was saying.  And, I'm not fully ready to say some of the things I have been thinking. 

Ozzie's exhumation was in 1981.  Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that before Harvey and Lee?  By "sandbox" I hope you meant arena.  Otherwise try to keep nasty comments out of your post.  Follow the Forum rules.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

Tracy,

I disagree.  In fact the exhumation clearly showed two Ozzies.  I won't argue the point since it has been argued many, many times before.  I don't think you understand what I was saying.  And, I'm not fully ready to say some of the things I have been thinking. 

Ozzie's exhumation was in 1981.  Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that before Harvey and Lee?  By "sandbox" I hope you meant arena.  Otherwise try to keep nasty comments out of your post.  Follow the Forum rules.

Not sure how the exhumation proves two Oswalds or how the exhumation is "before H&L" , but if you don't want to argue the point that is ok by me. By sandbox I meant an arena (to use your term) for unrestricted speculation. Nothing in my post is against forum rules. You guys have gone on for page after page with pure speculation and you shouldn't be surprised if someone eventually jumps in. OK, I'll butt out now.

[John Butler]

Tracy,

There's no need to butt out.  I'm sorry if I took offense when there was no need to take offense.  Those folks that have been involved in the last few pages of discussion are clearly labelling facts, facts and speculations, speculations.  What we are saying is not all speculation.   

The problem is that your set of views of the matter is different from mine.  Neither one of is going to change our thinking.  You see the facts one way and I see those facts another.

 Once again I apologize for taking offense when none was warranted.   

[Jim Hargrove]

8 hours ago, John Kowalski said:

Jim: can John contact Marina about DNA testing? If she could arrange for one of her kids to do a DNA test with a company like 23 and me or ancestry or both, it might provide some leads about relatives. If the test shows that they have a relative in their database, they can arrange for them to contact each other. A previously unknown relative who has donated their DNA to a database will be interested in genealogy and will have family information. These companies also provide info about your ethnicity. Given that Marina is East European and Harvey is supposed to be East European, the test should reflect this.

I did my own family genealogy and for the past 200 years and confirmed that they were all in Poland and this was reflected in 2 tests; one I did with National Geographic genome which showed a high level of East European ancestry and another test done by a family member with another company that also showed a high level of East European ancestry.

John,

One of the first things John Armstrong taught me when I began working with him more than two decades ago was that research into “Lee Harvey Oswald’s” background has to be done extremely quietly.  We were working with some IRS W-2 forms from three different companies allegedly covering Oswald’s teen-aged employment that all appeared to be prepared on the same typewriter or very similar typewriters.

I sent some very clear copies of the forms, all copied at the National Archives, to a typewriter font specialist at IBM.  John cautioned me, though, to be certain to black out the name “Lee Harvey Oswald” before mailing the documents.  He indicated that when doing research like this, it is best, if at all possible, to hide the fact that the subject is Lee Harvey Oswald.  When that becomes known, he said, everything almost always gets weird.

As Paul J suggested, it would be even more informative to compare DNA tests from either of Marina’s children (June and Rachel) with Robert Oswald’s daughter Cathy or Son Robert, Jr.  However, such tests would best be done in what scientists call a “double-blind” procedure, in which neither the test administrators nor the participants knew the identity of the samples.  Otherwise, everything might get weird.

BTW, this is in response to your suggestion that if John Gardos was, in fact, Classic Oswald®, there should be no record him after Classic Oswald was killed on November 24, 1963. I’d add that, since John A. found evidence for the second Oswald dating back all the way to 1947, there should be no evidence of our John Gardos after 1947.  And I haven’t found any so far, which, of course, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.  

[Jim Hargrove]

On 11/27/2019 at 12:01 PM, David Josephs said:

Always good to learn new things....

I read all of Wilcott... and to me it just screams hearsay and idle chatter speculating about Oswald....

I get the impression the Oswald project is talking about LEE unless Harvey as CIA was also doing FBI infiltration work...

Looking closely at April-June 1963 it was almost all FPCC work via 544 Camp.  Bringuier and his 2 friends seem more CIA-connected... and they are anti-FPCC
and seem to be trying to out Oswald as a spy.... allegations of Oswald saying "throw a punch Carlos" or something like that kind of brings Oswald around to the CIA side
with a desire to pigeon hole the FBI... which I think they did with the BS trip to Mexico at the end of this "Project" albeit a few months late.

In the same vein as Newman's new work... placing blame at CIA's feet when it was ACIS/JCS and Military Intel who seems to have coordinated the assassination...

as I see it at least.... FWIW

Hi, DJ,

We've discussed this before, and I don't mean to start a lengthy debate,  but can you point me to a thread or post here that summarizes the evidence that "it was ACIS/JCS and Military Intel who seems to have coordinated the assassination"?  As you know, I think a half dozen or so people from the Agency organized the hit, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if some military people were involved.  I've just never seen compelling evidence.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

Once again I apologize for taking offense when none was warranted. 

No problem John.

[Jim Hargrove]

On 12/2/2019 at 1:36 PM, John Butler said:

I think there is real meaning to the Tippit call.  Someone wanted this information out and known for whatever reasons.  The FBI's reaction to this call is a good reason to do as much research as possible.  They wanted that information hidden and buried it for as long as they could with a Top Secret classification and marking it not for declassification. 

There are some problems with the call.  I have not been able to connect Emil Gardos or Fred Blair to the address mentioned, 77th and 2nd Avenue.  The address is in Yorkville, NY and is reasonably close to the Gardos' home address.  Fred Blair's papers at the University of Wisconsin, Madison says that during the McCarthy era he had to go underground and returned to Milwaukee in 1955.  It's possible that at this time Fred is hiding out at the communist capital of Yorkville at the address mentioned.

Good luck on your searches.  I will keep trying on this end.

John A has been traveling lately and I haven’t spoken with him in two or three weeks, but he got home recently and called me today.  I told him about Emil and John Gardos and our recent Ed Forum research, and he seemed interested.  He told me that he is and always was convinced that there was something to that call from the anonymous woman to the Tippits of Westport, Connecticut.

Just for the record, here’s the whole FBI internal teletype from 11/30/1963 again:

The following FBI document, an internal teletype from 11/30/63, was withheld from public view for three decades.

URGENT 11-30-63 7-37 PM EST MB
TO DIRECTOR, AND SACS DALLAS AND NEW YORK
FROM SAC, NEW HAVEN /100-18158/
NEW YORK VIA WASHINGTON
LEE HARVEY OSWALD, IS - R
ON NOV. THIRTY INSTANT, JACK D. TIPPIT, SELF EMPLOYED
CARTOONIST FOR NATIONAL MAGAZINES AND WIFE, ONE SIX FOUR
NEW TOWN TURNPIKE, WESTPORT, CONN., ADVISED AS FOLLOWS. AT
APPROXIMATELY ELEVEN THIRTY AM ON INSTANT DATE MRS. TIPPIT
RECEIVED A TELEPHONE CALL FROM UNKNOWN WOMAN WHO ASKED IF
MR. TIPPIT WAS A POLICEMAN AND IF HE WAS RELATED TO THE POLICE-
MAN TIPPIT WHO WAS SHOT IN DALLAS. MRS. TIPPIT REPLIED HER
HUSBAND WAS NOT A POLICEMAN, WAS DISTANTLY RELATED TO OFFICER
TIPPIT AND ASKED IDENTITY OF CALLER. ON ANOTHER EXTENSION
JACK TIPPIT LISTENED TO BALANCE OF PHONE CALL. THE WOMAN SAID
SHE COULD NOT GIVE HER NAME AS SHE WAS AFRAID OF BEING KILLED,
THAT SHE WAS FROM NEW YORK AND HAD TO COME "HERE" TO MAKE THE
CALL SO THAT SHE COULD NOT BE TRACED AS SHE WAS IN FEAR OF HER
END PAGE ONE

PAGE TWO:

LIFE. THE WOMAN REQUESTED THAT NOTHING BE SAID TO THE PRESS
ABOUT A WOMAN CALLING AS THEY WOULD KNOW HER IDENTITY AND SHE
WOULD BE KILLED.
THE WOMAN SAID SHE KNEW OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE WHO
WERE HUNGARIANS AND COMMUNISTS. THE WOMAN CONTINUED THAT
OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE HAD LIVED AT SEVENTY SEVENTH AND SECOND
AVENUE, YORKVILLE, NYC, THAT WHILE LIVING THERE BOTH WERE
UNEMPLOYED, GOT THEIR MONEY FROM COMMUNISTS AND SPENT ALL THERE
TIME IN COMMUNIST ACTIVITIES.
THE WOMAN THEN BEGAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY, DISJOINTEDLY,
AND NERVOUSLY. SHE STATED SHE HAD TWO NAMES TO GIVE AND
MENTIONED THE NAME EMILE KARDOS AND SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A
BROTHER IN LAW. WHEN MRS. TIPPIT TRIED TO FIND OUT WHOSE
BROTHER IN LAW THE WOMAN KEPT REPEATING THE WORD BROTHER IN LAW.
THE WOMAN STATED KARDOS IS HEAD OF THE COMMUNISTS AND THAT THIS
GROUP IN NEW YORK NOW HAS CHARTS AND MAPS. THE WOMAN SAID
SOMETHING ABOUT WEINSTOCK THE EDITOR OF QUOTE WOMAN-S WORLD
UNQUOTE BUT DID NOT GIVE FURTHER DETAILS.. THE WOMAN SAID THE
END PAGE TWO

PAGE THREE:

GROUP IN NEW YORK PLANS TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT, THAT OF
COURSE THEY WOULD DENY THIS BUT SHE KNEW IT TO BE TRUE.
SHE THEN HUNG UP ABRUPTLY. THE WOMAN NEVER GAVE ANY REASON
FOR HER CALL WHICH SOUNDED LOCAL. MRS. TIPPIT THOUGHT THE
WOMAN HAD AN AUSTRIAN OR GERMAN ACCENT WHILE MR. TIPPIT
BELIEVED IT WAS SPANISH. BOTH FELT THE WOMAN SOUNDED LIKE
A MATURE ADULT AND DID NOT HAVE A YOUTHFUL VOICE.
MR. TIPPIT EXPLAINED WOMAN MAY HAVE OBTAINED HIS IDENTITY
FROM AN ARTICLE ON PAGE ONE OF NORWALK, CONN. QUOTE HOUR
UNQUOTE FOR NOVEMBER TWENTYFIVE LAST, WHICH STATED THAT WE MAY
BE A DISTANT RELATIVE OF THE DALLAS POLICEMAN. TIPPIT SAID
ARTICLE RESULTED FROM TELEPHONE CALL FROM REPORTER WHO WAS
CHECKING ALL TIPPITS IN LOCAL TELEPHONE DIRECTORIES.
BUREAU REQUESTED TO COORDINATE ABOVE WITH ANY OTHER
INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF PERTINENT AS NEW HAVEN HAS NO
KNOWLEDGE OF THE RESIDENCE AND ASSOCIATES OF OSWALD-S FATHER
AND UNCLE.

END AND ACK PLS
7-45 PM OK FBI WA LLD FOR RELAY
6-47 PM CST OK FBI DL FL
TU PLSDISC M
CC-MR_ROSEN

 See a reproduction of the actual document above (HSCA, Record No. 1801003110299, Agency File No. 105-82555-186).

[John Butler]

Jim,

This particular piece of evidence has always been hard for me to read.  Perhaps because the print is light and in all caps.  If someone else has the same problem this might help.  I've recently switched fonts to Arial.  It is a darker font.  It is still hard to read due to all caps.  The Forum editor removed the line spacing.

URGENT 11-30-63 7-37 PM EST MB
TO DIRECTOR, AND SACS DALLAS AND NEW YORK
FROM SAC, NEW HAVEN /100-18158/
NEW YORK VIA WASHINGTON
LEE HARVEY OSWALD, IS - R
ON NOV. THIRTY INSTANT, JACK D. TIPPIT, SELF EMPLOYED
CARTOONIST FOR NATIONAL MAGAZINES AND WIFE, ONE SIX FOUR
NEW TOWN TURNPIKE, WESTPORT, CONN., ADVISED AS FOLLOWS. AT
APPROXIMATELY ELEVEN THIRTY AM ON INSTANT DATE MRS. TIPPIT
RECEIVED A TELEPHONE CALL FROM UNKNOWN WOMAN WHO ASKED IF
MR. TIPPIT WAS A POLICEMAN AND IF HE WAS RELATED TO THE POLICE-
MAN TIPPIT WHO WAS SHOT IN DALLAS. MRS. TIPPIT REPLIED HER
HUSBAND WAS NOT A POLICEMAN, WAS DISTANTLY RELATED TO OFFICER
TIPPIT AND ASKED IDENTITY OF CALLER. ON ANOTHER EXTENSION
JACK TIPPIT LISTENED TO BALANCE OF PHONE CALL. THE WOMAN SAID
SHE COULD NOT GIVE HER NAME AS SHE WAS AFRAID OF BEING KILLED,
THAT SHE WAS FROM NEW YORK AND HAD TO COME "HERE" TO MAKE THE
CALL SO THAT SHE COULD NOT BE TRACED AS SHE WAS IN FEAR OF HER
END PAGE ONE

PAGE TWO:

LIFE. THE WOMAN REQUESTED THAT NOTHING BE SAID TO THE PRESS
ABOUT A WOMAN CALLING AS THEY WOULD KNOW HER IDENTITY AND SHE
WOULD BE KILLED.
THE WOMAN SAID SHE KNEW OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE WHO
WERE HUNGARIANS AND COMMUNISTS. THE WOMAN CONTINUED THAT
OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE HAD LIVED AT SEVENTY SEVENTH AND SECOND
AVENUE, YORKVILLE, NYC, THAT WHILE LIVING THERE BOTH WERE
UNEMPLOYED, GOT THEIR MONEY FROM COMMUNISTS AND SPENT ALL THERE TIME IN COMMUNIST ACTIVITIES.
THE WOMAN THEN BEGAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY, DISJOINTEDLY,
AND NERVOUSLY. SHE STATED SHE HAD TWO NAMES TO GIVE AND
MENTIONED THE NAME EMILE KARDOS AND SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A
BROTHER IN LAW. WHEN MRS. TIPPIT TRIED TO FIND OUT WHOSE
BROTHER IN LAW THE WOMAN KEPT REPEATING THE WORD BROTHER IN LAW.
THE WOMAN STATED KARDOS IS HEAD OF THE COMMUNISTS AND THAT THIS
GROUP IN NEW YORK NOW HAS CHARTS AND MAPS. THE WOMAN SAID
SOMETHING ABOUT WEINSTOCK THE EDITOR OF QUOTE WOMAN-S WORLD
UNQUOTE BUT DID NOT GIVE FURTHER DETAILS.. THE WOMAN SAID THE
END PAGE TWO

PAGE THREE:

GROUP IN NEW YORK PLANS TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT, THAT OF
COURSE THEY WOULD DENY THIS BUT SHE KNEW IT TO BE TRUE.
SHE THEN HUNG UP ABRUPTLY. THE WOMAN NEVER GAVE ANY REASON
FOR HER CALL WHICH SOUNDED LOCAL. MRS. TIPPIT THOUGHT THE
WOMAN HAD AN AUSTRIAN OR GERMAN ACCENT WHILE MR. TIPPIT
BELIEVED IT WAS SPANISH. BOTH FELT THE WOMAN SOUNDED LIKE
A MATURE ADULT AND DID NOT HAVE A YOUTHFUL VOICE.
MR. TIPPIT EXPLAINED WOMAN MAY HAVE OBTAINED HIS IDENTITY
FROM AN ARTICLE ON PAGE ONE OF NORWALK, CONN. QUOTE HOUR
UNQUOTE FOR NOVEMBER TWENTYFIVE LAST, WHICH STATED THAT WE MAY
BE A DISTANT RELATIVE OF THE DALLAS POLICEMAN. TIPPIT SAID
ARTICLE RESULTED FROM TELEPHONE CALL FROM REPORTER WHO WAS
CHECKING ALL TIPPITS IN LOCAL TELEPHONE DIRECTORIES.
BUREAU REQUESTED TO COORDINATE ABOVE WITH ANY OTHER
INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF PERTINENT AS NEW HAVEN HAS NO
KNOWLEDGE OF THE RESIDENCE AND ASSOCIATES OF OSWALD-S FATHER
AND UNCLE.

END AND ACK PLS
7-45 PM OK FBI WA LLD FOR RELAY
6-47 PM CST OK FBI DL FL
TU PLSDISC M
CC-MR_ROSEN

[John Butler]

Jim,

John Armstrong's research on Harvey and Lee goes back to 1947.  Coincidentally, this is the same year that the Second Red Scare occurred, 1947.  This is more commonly called the McCarthy Era.  I copied this from the internet and may give some idea of the times.

"McCarthy Era

What would become known as the McCarthy era began before McCarthy's rise to national fame. Following the First Red Scare, in 1947, President Truman signed an executive order to screen federal employees for association with organizations deemed "totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive", or advocating "to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means." In 1949, a high-level State Department official was convicted of perjury in a case of espionage, and the Soviet Union tested an atomic bomb. The Korean War started the next year, raising tensions in the United States. In a speech in February 1950, Senator McCarthy presented a list of alleged members of the Communist Party working in the State Department, which attracted press attention. The term "McCarthyism" was published for the first time in late March of that year in the Christian Science Monitor, and in a political cartoon by Herblock in the Washington Post. The term has since taken on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. In the early 21st century, the term is used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, and demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries"

and, this also.

"Second Red Scare (1947–60)[edit]

Senator Joseph McCarthy, namesake of McCarthyism

 

The second Red Scare occurred after World War II (1939–45), and it was popularly known as "McCarthyism" after its most famous supporter, Senator Joseph McCarthy. McCarthyism coincided with an increased and popular fear of communist espionage that was consequent of the increasing tension in the cold war through the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, the Berlin Blockade (1948–49), the end of the Chinese Civil War, the confessions of spying for the Soviet Union that were made by several high-ranking U.S. government officials, and the outbreak of the Korean War.

Internal causes of the anti-communist fear[edit]

The events of the late 1940s, the early 1950s - the trial of Ethel and Julius Rosenberg (1953), the trial of Alger Hiss, the Iron Curtain (1945–1991) around Eastern Europe, and the Soviet Union's first nuclear weapon test in 1949 (RDS-1) - surprised the American public, influencing popular opinion about U.S. National Security, which, in turn, was connected to the fear that the Soviet Union would hydrogen-bomb the United States, and fear of the Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA).

In Canada, the 1946 Kellock–Taschereau Commission investigated espionage after top secret documents concerning RDX, radar and other weapons were handed over to the Soviets by a domestic spy-ring.^[14]

At the House Un-American Activities Committee, former CPUSA members and NKVD spies, Elizabeth Bentley and Whittaker Chambers, testified that Soviet spies and communist sympathizers had penetrated the U.S. government before, during and after World War II. Other U.S. citizen spies confessed to their acts of espionage in situations where the statute of limitations on prosecuting them had run out. In 1949, anti–communist fear, and fear of American traitors, was aggravated by the Chinese Communists winning the Chinese Civil War against the Western-sponsored Kuomintang, their founding of the People's Republic of China, and later Chinese intervention in the Korean War (1950–53) against U.S. ally South Korea.

A few of the events during the Red Scare were also due to a power struggle between director of FBI J. Edgar Hoover and the Central Intelligence Agency. Hoover had instigated and aided some of the investigations of members of the CIA with "leftist" history, like Cord Meyer.^[15] This conflict could also be traced back to the conflict between Hoover and William J. Donovan, going back to the first Red Scare, but especially during World War II. Donovan ran the OSS (CIA's predecessor). They had differing opinions on the nature of the alliance with the Soviet Union, conflicts over jurisdiction, conflicts of personality, the OSS hiring of communists and criminals as agents, etc.^[16] "

This was a difficult period for communists.  At this time, there is no evidence for John Gardos since his birth year 1939.  Some where there should be something, another Census in 1950 (wont be online until 2022), a death record, an emigration record, adoption record or something.  Unless all evidence has been removed by government agencies.  That would be the only folks who could do that. 

There are too many coincidences involving Hungarians, communists, addresses in Little Hungary in New York, and Hungarians around Oswald.  John Pic and his Hungarian in laws is a good example.

1947 is the year of the 2nd Red Scare and 1947 is when Harvey shows up in John Armstrong's research.  Is this another coincidence?  There are way to many coincidences in Ozzie's history. 

Another thing to think about is where Harvey got his interest in things communist.  How did he know about a Hungarian Jewish Communist cartoonist in the little known work of Tibor Kazan, Circus Maximus?  Could he have seen other material at a younger age such as the cartoon show earlier?  And, where did he get a very early, perhaps 1930s, version copy of the Communist Manifesto?

I'm just speculating here, but these may be things to look into further. 

   

Edited December 4, 2019 by John Butler

[David Josephs]

13 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Hi, DJ,

We've discussed this before, and I don't mean to start a lengthy debate,  but can you point me to a thread or post here that summarizes the evidence that "it was ACIS/JCS and Military Intel who seems to have coordinated the assassination"?  As you know, I think a half dozen or so people from the Agency organized the hit, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if some military people were involved.  I've just never seen compelling evidence.

Jim...   no argument....

Name one person of interest who did not spend time in the military. In fact most even spent significant time with Military Intel of some sort....  who were the first CIA directors? ONI admirals...  then Dulles... any Military connections there ya think? 
 

Bottom line, the CIA did very little without Military knowledge.. if that info is DIS info from CIA, it’s eventually figured out. And/or they let these things happen depending on which way the political winds are blowing....

The OSS, FBI’s SIS, then CIA all come after 100 years of MID and ONI.  
Do you truly feel those running US intel out of the Pentagon would just LET another agency take their intelligence roles unless they were in virtually complete control?

As Facilitator and Mechanic yes.... CIA as sponsor?  I see no evidence of that....

so, does the hammer, or the person wielding the hammer drive the nail in?

take care... DJ

 

[John Kowalski]

21 hours ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

John,

To me, a much more interesting and simple DNA test would prove devastating to the conventional narrative: compare the DNA from either June or Rachel Oswald ("Oswald's" biological children) with DNA from any of Robert Oswald's biological children (his daughter Cathy or his son, Robert Jr.)

According to the implied mainstream narrative, Robert Oswald and our "Oswald" were biological brothers and therefore, their children ought to be first cousins. If Robert and "Oswald" were not biological brothers (as we all suspect), then their children will not be related.

A simple DNA test may yet completely unravel the cover-up.

(John Armstrong first proposed this in a phone conversation with me many years ago.) 

 

Paul:

I agree, that test would confirm whether or not they are biologically related. Did John ever speak to Oswald's kids about this?

[John Kowalski]

21 hours ago, John Butler said:

John K,

What if DNA testing is done and it comes up that the Oswald children are cousins?  I was in Korea a long time ago.  Recently, I've started watching Korean TV dramas on Netflix.  In these crime dramas they do a lot of DNA testing.  Invariably, the villains steal the data, forge the data, or force the lab people to forge the data.  Eventually, in these dramas that gets straighten out, but not always. 

If an outcome becomes positive for relationship, how would we know if it is true?

John B:

John Armstrong also has the same concern as you about the tests not been falsified. I too would be concerned about the fairness of the tests and this is something that would have to be addressed prior to doing them.

[John Kowalski]

17 hours ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

Not sure how the exhumation proves two Oswalds or how the exhumation is "before H&L" , but if you don't want to argue the point that is ok by me. By sandbox I meant an arena (to use your term) for unrestricted speculation. Nothing in my post is against forum rules. You guys have gone on for page after page with pure speculation and you shouldn't be surprised if someone eventually jumps in. OK, I'll butt out now.

Tracey:

What do you hope to gain by posting on this forum? After posting 1470 posts, do you believe that you have accomplished something?