The inevitable end result of our last 56 years

[John Cotter]

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Well told, indeed.

I was only six years old when President Kennedy was murdered, so my narrative of that day is more like something out of the first chapter of James Joyce's Portrait of the Artist, devoid of any meaningful world/historical context.

There wasn't a moo cow coming down the road, but I had walked home for lunch from school that day, since my family lived just two blocks from my grade school.  When I returned to school after lunch, I noticed that some joker had lowered the flag on the flagpole in front of our school.  The grounds were strangely deserted.

I grabbed the steel cable and started to raise the flag.   Then our principal, Mrs. Erickson, came walking out of the front door of the school and told me to leave the flag where it was and proceed to my classroom for an announcement from my teacher.

I mainly recall having a vague sense of gloom about President Kennedy's murder, and my mother crying while we watched the television coverage during the ensuing days, including the somber funeral procession.

I have less of an excuse than you, William, because I was nine. Irish TV was rudimentary at the time – there were just three or four hours of it each evening, and it didn’t have the capacity to adequately cover the JFKA. I have a faint recollection of a newsflash at about 7 pm Irish time. Of course, there was widespread shock and grief in Ireland. He was “one of our own”. JFK had visited in June and received a tumultuous welcome.

My father had written a poem of welcome which was published in some newspaper, but I’ve never been able to find it, and my father died 27 years ago, before I became actively interested in the JFK story. (During that period also I had a charming girlfriend who was related to JFK on the Fitzgerald side. Thereby hangs another tale.) Unfortunately, what James DiEugenio called the “posthumous assassination of John F. Kennedy” did have the intended effect of discouraging interest in and the search for the truth of the assassination, though I did read Anthony Summers’s book in the early 80s, a copy of which my parents had.

I’ve just watched again the video below of President Kennedy’s visit to Ireland and it captures wonderfully his inimitable charm, charisma and humour. His loss to the USA, Ireland and the world was immeasurable.

Ní bheidh a leithéid ann arís (His likes will never be seen again).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zddeQ94CDVA

Edited November 23, 2022 by John Cotter

[Matthew Koch]

 

[Benjamin Cole]

1 hour ago, Matthew Koch said:

😝

Oof

 

 

 

 

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

Colorado club shooting suspect is non-binary, attorneys say

 

The public defenders for the suspect in the mass shooting at a Colorado Springs LGBTQ nightclub said in a Tuesday night court filing obtained by the New York Times that their client is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns.

I protest.

"They/them" are plural pronouns. 

 

 

[Matthew Koch]

11 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

I protest.

"They/them" are plural pronouns. 

 

 

Are you implying it means possession? 

This is a good edit by Jimmy Dore 

 

[Ron Bulman]

1 hour ago, John Cotter said:

I have less of an excuse than you, William, because I was nine. Irish TV was rudimentary at the time – there were just three or four hours of it each evening, and it didn’t have the capacity to adequately cover the JFKA. I have a faint recollection of a newsflash at about 7 pm Irish time. Of course, there was widespread shock and grief in Ireland. He was “one of our own”. JFK had visited in June and received a tumultuous welcome.

My father had written a poem of welcome which was published in some newspaper, but I’ve never been able to find it, and my father died 27 years ago, before I became actively interested in the JFK story. (During that period also I had a charming girlfriend who was related to JFK on the Fitzgerald side. Thereby hangs another tale.) Unfortunately, what James DiEugenio called the “posthumous assassination of John F. Kennedy” did have the intended effect of discouraging interest in and the search for the truth of the assassination, though I did read Anthony Summers’s book in the early 80s, a copy of which my parents had.

I’ve just watched again the video below of President Kennedy’s visit to Ireland and it captures wonderfully his inimitable charm, charisma and humour. His loss to the USA, Ireland and the world was immeasurable.

Ní bheidh a leithéid ann arís (His likes will never be seen again).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zddeQ94CDVA

Thanks John.  This video is reassuring on this important day, the crowds are incredible.

Edited November 23, 2022 by Ron Bulman

[Guest]

3 hours ago, John Cotter said:

I have less of an excuse than you, William, because I was nine. Irish TV was rudimentary at the time – there were just three or four hours of it each evening, and it didn’t have the capacity to adequately cover the JFKA. I have a faint recollection of a newsflash at about 7 pm Irish time. Of course, there was widespread shock and grief in Ireland. He was “one of our own”. JFK had visited in June and received a tumultuous welcome.

My father had written a poem of welcome which was published in some newspaper, but I’ve never been able to find it, and my father died 27 years ago, before I became actively interested in the JFK story. (During that period also I had a charming girlfriend who was related to JFK on the Fitzgerald side. Thereby hangs another tale.) Unfortunately, what James DiEugenio called the “posthumous assassination of John F. Kennedy” did have the intended effect of discouraging interest in and the search for the truth of the assassination, though I did read Anthony Summers’s book in the early 80s, a copy of which my parents had.

I’ve just watched again the video below of President Kennedy’s visit to Ireland and it captures wonderfully his inimitable charm, charisma and humour. His loss to the USA, Ireland and the world was immeasurable.

Ní bheidh a leithéid ann arís (His likes will never be seen again).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zddeQ94CDVA

A thoughtful piece. I have watched this video a couple of times previously. It’s wonderful that these windows into a bygone era survive and can transport us back to moments in history. 
 

I hope you track down the poem. 

[Kirk Gallaway]

4 hours ago, John Cotter said:

I have less of an excuse than you, William, because I was nine. Irish TV was rudimentary at the time – there were just three or four hours of it each evening, and it didn’t have the capacity to adequately cover the JFKA. I have a faint recollection of a newsflash at about 7 pm Irish time. Of course, there was widespread shock and grief in Ireland. He was “one of our own”. JFK had visited in June and received a tumultuous welcome.

My father had written a poem of welcome which was published in some newspaper, but I’ve never been able to find it, and my father died 27 years ago, before I became actively interested in the JFK story. (During that period also I had a charming girlfriend who was related to JFK on the Fitzgerald side. Thereby hangs another tale.) Unfortunately, what James DiEugenio called the “posthumous assassination of John F. Kennedy” did have the intended effect of discouraging interest in and the search for the truth of the assassination, though I did read Anthony Summers’s book in the early 80s, a copy of which my parents had.

I’ve just watched again the video below of President Kennedy’s visit to Ireland and it captures wonderfully his inimitable charm, charisma and humour. His loss to the USA, Ireland and the world was immeasurable.

Ní bheidh a leithéid ann arís (His likes will never be seen again).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zddeQ94CDVA

Yes, I enjoyed that film John.  It's interesting to see the solidarity in the "Free World" at those times. I think America was in the best position they could be after WW2, saving Europe but not being a part of Europe.

JFK looks youthful, he smiles longer, which is probably the result of being  more relaxed being out of the U.S.  It's interesting how in the next 6 months, he looked more pudgy somewhat encumbered, not as spry and rather cushinoid.

Everyone wearing black suits which I suppose is  the custom. It looks good though! I think now of Biden and those lame blue suits he wears.

I remember as a kid watching the Kennedy Inauguration and inaugural ball. All the men were wearing top hats.As kids we'd never seen politicians in top hats! But curiously, that didn't happen in 1964, and was never really to happen again.

 

[Joe Bauer]

On 11/22/2022 at 7:47 PM, John Cotter said:

Unfortunately, what James DiEugenio called the “posthumous assassination of John F. Kennedy” did have the intended effect of discouraging interest in and the search for the truth of the assassination, though I did read Anthony Summers’s book in the early 80s, a copy of which my parents had.

I just watched the video doc of JFK's visit to Ireland.

My goodness. Heart warming to an occasional tear creating degree.

So much to highlight.

First however, after watching the incredibly animated and moving adoration shown by the massive crowds of Irish citizens towards JFK in that visit, I refuse to believe that even decades later any noticeable amount of the Irish changed their opinion of, lost their adoration for or felt significantly less interest in his assassination because of a few salacious book or newsprint article hit pieces upon JFK regards his extra-marital activities.

Besides noticing JFK's sisters Jean Smith and Eunice Shriver in several clips of his Ireland visit, I was very surprised to see Lee Radziwill ( Jackie Kennedy's sister) seated with the sisters behind JFK during one of his town speeches. What was "she" doing there?

And I must admit, she was beautiful herself imo.

And there was also the ever present tall, stern and grey sideburn SS agent whose name escapes me but Vince Palamara would know on sight.

JFK's Ireland visit was the epitome of the unprecedented, broken barrier celebrity icon adoration status context I postulate in my earlier thread regards his effect on millions worldwide.

And how could Americans, then and even now, not be taken with and proud of that reception for our president with tens of thousands of miniature American flags being waved wildly about constantly in those Irish crowds?

JFK had so much warm broad smile charisma combined with movie star looks, sharp wit, classy bearing and virile energy he simply swept the Irish people off their feet. And/or knocked their woolen socks off!

JFK's warm smile was so infectious, even honor guards were compelled to smile back and of course the ladies were transfixed with swooning gazes toward this superstar attractive American president.

I think the crowds would have been even more animated if Jackie had accompanied JFK.

However, anymore wildly enthusiastic crowd pushing enthusiasm would have been too much for her imo.

I am also blown away at JFK's incredible physical and social energy stamina during this non-stop Irish crowd cheering and pressing and full attention and focus required ceremony after ceremony visit.

From the second JFK landed in Air Force one to his AF1 stair ascending departure, he never lost his warm smile and fully engaged social composure.

I couldn't have ever kept up with anything close to that kind of huge crowd and nonstop ceremony social engagement energy effort.

No president in modern times has ever come close to inspiring other nation's people's passions, hopes and even physical attraction adoration worldwide like JFK.

JFK had become a world-wide adored icon and my guess is, his enemies here at home felt as threatened by this reality as much as JFK's growing super star popularity here at home.

 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Joe Bauer

[Douglas Caddy]

 

Mark Kelly: Democrats ‘absolutely’ don’t recognize the complexity of border challenge | The Hill

[Kirk Gallaway]

Hey, how about let's go after all of them?

 

[Douglas Caddy]

 

Colorado Shooting Suspect Mugshot Shows Extensive Bruising and Swelling (tmz.com)

[Matthew Koch]

 

[W. Niederhut]

       The facts are still emerging about Anderson Lee Aldrich, the Colorado Springs Club Q mass shooter.

       His parents divorced when he was two, and he was, apparently raised by his mother and maternal grandparents in California.  His grandfather is a conservative Republican politician in the San Diego area.  He may be a non-observant Mormon (?)

      His biological father was (?) possibly a porn actor arrested on recurrent drug charges, and Aldrich changed his birth name (from Nicholas Brink) to dissociate himself from his father.  His mother has, allegedly, suffered from an unknown chronic mental illness, and has had substance abuse problems.

     Aldrich made a bomb threat at his mother's rental home in Colorado Springs one year ago, but charges may have been dropped.  He was able to purchase guns.

     Apparently, some people who know him claim that he has long been homophobic, and that his claim about being non-binary is a ruse to avoid hate crime charges relating to his murders at Club Q. 

     He has a history of making hostile comments about "faggots."

The Club Q mass shooter is trolling, he's a homophobic man according to those who know him (dailykos.com)   

 

[Matthew Koch]

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

       The facts are still emerging about Anderson Lee Aldrich, the Colorado Springs Club Q mass shooter.

       His parents divorced when he was two, and he was, apparently raised by his mother and maternal grandparents in California.  His grandfather is a conservative Republican politician in the San Diego area.  He may be a non-observant Mormon (?)

      His biological father was (?) possibly a porn actor arrested on recurrent drug charges, and Aldrich changed his birth name (from Nicholas Brink) to dissociate himself from his father.  His mother has, allegedly, suffered from an unknown chronic mental illness, and has had substance abuse problems.

   

 

His fathers reaction is similar to Jeffery Dahmer's father..

 

[Benjamin Cole]

January 6 committee staff are angry at Liz Cheney for focusing too much on Trump and think she's doing it for political gain, report says--Business Insider, on WaPo story

https://www.businessinsider.com/jan-6-panel-staff-angry-liz-cheney-focus-trump-wapo-2022-11

"Aspects of the investigation that staffers told The Post they were worried would not make the cut included findings about: the failings of police and intelligence officials; financing of the Capitol siege; and militia groups and extremism."

Cheney's spokesperson defends her narrative by saying, 

"Some staff have submitted subpar material for the report that reflects long-held liberal biases about federal law enforcement, Republicans, and sociological issues outside the scope of the Select Committee's work. She won't sign onto any 'narrative' that suggests Republicans are inherently racist or smears men and women in law enforcement, or suggests every American who believes God has blessed America is a white supremacist."

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It sure seems like every commission or committee that "investigates" an important violent political event---9/11, the Warren Commission, the 1/6 Committee...ends up absolving intelligence agencies of any culpability whatsoever....

Government cannot investigate itself, and certainly intelligence agencies in the US are beyond even cursory inspection....