Douglas Caddy Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Trump lost, and the 2020 election wasn’t stolen, group of prominent conservatives concludes after exhaustive study (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve Thomas Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Forget dereliction of duty. It's a matter of National Security. Our Capitol was under attack in a way not seen since the War of 1812. For over three hours, violent extremists engaged in hand-to-hand combat with the Capitol Police and Donald Trump did nothing to protect our Capitol and our Legislators. Our Capitol was under attack. If that's not treason and failure to protect the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't know what is. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Douglas Caddy said: Trump lost, and the 2020 election wasn’t stolen, group of prominent conservatives concludes after exhaustive study (msn.com) Bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: Forget dereliction of duty. It's a matter of National Security. Our Capitol was under attack in a way not seen since the War of 1812. For over three hours, violent extremists engaged in hand-to-hand combat with the Capitol Police and Donald Trump did nothing to protect our Capitol and our Legislators. Our Capitol was under attack. If that's not treason and failure to protect the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't know what is. Steve Thomas Exactly! Absolute indisputable reality. Clear as day. Beyond a reasonable doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: Forget dereliction of duty. It's a matter of National Security. Our Capitol was under attack in a way not seen since the War of 1812. For over three hours, violent extremists engaged in hand-to-hand combat with the Capitol Police and Donald Trump did nothing to protect our Capitol and our Legislators. Our Capitol was under attack. If that's not treason and failure to protect the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't know what is. Steve Thomas And it looks like Trump's actions on J6 may also meet criteria for a charge of involuntary manslaughter. Did Trump commit manslaughter? Jan. 6 committee and DOJ should find out (msnbc.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) The main fear factor of actually indicting Donald Trump for serious crimes is the possible uprising of violence on a major scale by thousands of Trump followers all across the country. And condoned by tens of millions of other Trump followers, even to the degree of encouraging, enabling and harboring. Think about this incredible Trump indicting "fear factor" reality for at least more than a few seconds. The reality that constitution defending Americans are afraid to stand up to those who violate the constitution out of fear that these criminals may exact retribution and terrorize and even physically hurt them if they do so. Constitution and constitutional law abiding justice abandoned out of fear? What has America become? An 1800's wild west town taken over by a bunch of bullying and threatening outlaws? The town's people cowering in "High Noon" fear. Our Gary Cooper like Jan. 6th committee members left abandoned in the street to face the outlaws themselves? If the bad guys win here ( the Jan. 6th planners. leaders and abettors ) our constitutional democracy will be lost. The January 6th, 2021 coup will have succeeded. Think people THINK! Think about what is at stake here! Will fear of Trump follower's violence determine our fate more than our faith and courage in our constitution and the defending of it? Tex Ritter - High Noon~Do Not Forsake Me~Film Soundtrack Edited July 17, 2022 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) I think many now realize Mary Trump ( Donald Trump's inheritance cheated niece ) has been absolutely "right on" in her assessment of her Uncle's extreme sociopathic mental make up and that he is a dangerous man to be feared with his acquiring of great influence and power. As her book title proclaims "TOO MUCH AND NEVER ENOUGH" Trump's obsession with personal gain and even more power has literally turned the man into full blown power craving drug addict. And like every drug addict, Trump would say or do anything to keep his dopamine craving need and appetite fed. The January 6th Capital Building attack by thousands chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE" could have ignited a civil war if it had been even 50% more successful with injured or killed U.S. Congress persons. Indictment of Donald Trump could too. Here is the most frightening aspect of Donald Trump imo. He was and is still willing to see this country devolve into civil war just to salvage his legacy as a "winner" versus "loser. Trump's greatest and most deep-seated insecurity is to be labeled and known as a "loser. As defined by his father as someone without money. If thousands have to be injured or even killed to save Trump this maniacal "loser" fear fate...so be it. How did we ever get into this crazy leader circus act mess? Edited July 16, 2022 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve Thomas Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: And it looks like Trump's actions on J6 may also meet criteria for a charge of involuntary manslaughter. Did Trump commit manslaughter? Jan. 6 committee and DOJ should find out (msnbc.com) W., Involuntary manslaughter is defined as the unintentional death of an individual as a result of another person's negligent actions. In the United States, all states define negligent homicide by statute, often defining the offense as involuntary manslaughter.[1] https://reischlawfirm.com/criminally-negligent-homicide-vs-manslaughter-whats-difference/ “The law states that you can be charged with criminally negligent homicide if your criminally negligent behavior caused the death of another person. On the other hand, the law states that you can be charged with manslaughter if your reckless behavior caused the death of another person. Therefore, the difference between these two crimes is the type of behavior that caused the victim’s death. Criminal Negligence vs. Reckless Behavior Criminal negligence is legally defined as the failure to realize that your behavior is so dangerous that it could kill someone. In order to prove you were criminally negligent, the prosecution must be able to show that a reasonable person in your situation would have realized that their behavior was potentially dangerous. In the eyes of the law, you are reckless when you act in a manner that puts others at risk even though you are aware that your behavior could seriously harm or kill another person. Knowing that your audience is armed and angry, and laser-like you focus that anger on the source of that anger, and inflame that anger, haranguing them for over and hour and then send them on their way... Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: The main fear factor of actually indicting Donald Trump for serious crimes is the possible uprising of violence on a major scale by thousands of Trump followers all across the country. And condoned by tens of millions of other Trump followers, even to the degree of encouraging, enabling and harboring. Think about this incredible Trump indicting "fear factor" reality for at least more than a few seconds. The reality that constitution defending Americans are afraid to stand up to those who violate the constitution out of fear that these criminals may exact retribution and terrorize and even physically hurt them if they do so. Constitution and constitutional law abiding justice abandoned out of fear? What has America become? Am 1800's wild west town taken over by a bunch of bullying and threatening outlaws? The town's people cowering in "High Noon" fear. Our Gary Cooper like Jan. 6th committee members left abandoned in the street to face the outlaws themselves? If the bad guys win here ( the Jan. 6th planners. leaders and abettors ) our constitutional democracy will be lost. The January 6th, 2021 coup will have succeeded. Think people THINK! Think about what is at stake here! Will fear of Trump follower's violence determine our fate more than our faith and courage in our constitution and the defending of it? How about the AG bringing charges and ordering arrests? I don’t see what you or I can do. Perhaps the buck stops with Biden, who has the authority to replace Garland. The more rope the gun toting fringe is given the more dangerous they will become. Right now I don’t believe anything close to the scenario you paint would happen, but at some point it might. Waiting is a big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said: One would think Trump won the way he is still in everyone's head here. Our Joe is accomplishing things Trump and the Maga crowd could only dream of. Kudoos to our old Joe, who knows "the thing", and Kamala too, for accomplishing her accomplishments and successfully succeeding the mandates she was mandated to carry out. I’m no fan of the Democrats in power now, but we don’t even get to see what they might put into action because they are legislatively blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/olson-memo-trump-election/e59dca011b5db8c5/full.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 MIDDLE EAST Biden vows expanded US role in Mideast as controversial trip ends By CLEVE R. WOOTSON JR., TYLER PAGER THE WASHINGTON POST • July 16, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: The main fear factor of actually indicting Donald Trump for serious crimes is the possible uprising of violence on a major scale by thousands of Trump followers all across the country. And condoned by tens of millions of other Trump followers, even to the degree of encouraging, enabling and harboring. Think about this incredible Trump indicting "fear factor" reality for at least more than a few seconds. The reality that constitution defending Americans are afraid to stand up to those who violate the constitution out of fear that these criminals may exact retribution and terrorize and even physically hurt them if they do so. Constitution and constitutional law abiding justice abandoned out of fear? What has America become? Am 1800's wild west town taken over by a bunch of bullying and threatening outlaws? The town's people cowering in "High Noon" fear. Our Gary Cooper like Jan. 6th committee members left abandoned in the street to face the outlaws themselves? If the bad guys win here ( the Jan. 6th planners. leaders and abettors ) our constitutional democracy will be lost. The January 6th, 2021 coup will have succeeded. Think people THINK! Think about what is at stake here! Will fear of Trump follower's violence determine our fate more than our faith and courage in our constitution and the defending of it? Joe- There has been a lot of left-wing punditry about a "civil war" or "insurrection" in the US. Possibly a prosecution of Trump would trigger wide-scale civil violence. You are in a better position to ascertain that than I. American cities in flames again? Americans across the board feel disenfranchised, and for good reason. It is also possible that prosecution of Trump would be unsuccessful, but would help turn Trump into a martyr. Remember, while many on the left now subscribe to the "accusations are indeed convictions" model (the #metoo model, as adopted more broadly), in the courtroom things may play out differently. The M$M is still powerful, but has lost control of parts of the narrative due to the internet, and has also lost respect due to constant lying and omission. My guess is a civil war is not really possible in the US...the geography does not work out, and the 1/6 scrum a one-off. An insurrection is impossible, given the vast forces available to establishment Washington. The 1/6 scrum was only possible due to extraordinarily light security at the Capitol that day, which then stood down. And remember: Ray Epps is really a nice guy. The NYT says so. A very nice guy. Humble, genuine. You think someone like Ray Epps would stage an insurrection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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