Matthew Koch Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matt Allison said: The far-right has no interest in the truth. We all know that. They're just bad people. That's the bottom line here. Happy Indigenous peoples survival day, Matt! I'm assuming that's what you call it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) On 11/23/2022 at 5:50 PM, Joe Bauer said: I just watched the video doc of JFK's visit to Ireland. My goodness. Heart warming to an occasional tear creating degree. So much to highlight. First however, after watching the incredibly animated and moving adoration shown by the massive crowds of Irish citizens towards JFK in that visit, I refuse to believe that even decades later any noticeable amount of the Irish changed their opinion of, lost their adoration for or felt significantly less interest in his assassination because of a few salacious book or newsprint article hit pieces upon JFK regards his extra-marital activities. Besides noticing JFK's sisters Jean Smith and Eunice Shriver in several clips of his Ireland visit, I was very surprised to see Lee Radziwill ( Jackie Kennedy's sister) seated with the sisters behind JFK during one of his town speeches. What was "she" doing there? And I must admit, she was beautiful herself imo. And there was also the ever present tall, stern and grey sideburn SS agent whose name escapes me but Vince Palamara would know on sight. JFK's Ireland visit was the epitome of the unprecedented, broken barrier celebrity icon adoration status context I postulate in my earlier thread regards his effect on millions worldwide. And how could Americans, then and even now, not be taken with and proud of that reception for our president with tens of thousands of miniature American flags being waved wildly about constantly in those Irish crowds? JFK had so much warm broad smile charisma combined with movie star looks, sharp wit, classy bearing and virile energy he simply swept the Irish people off their feet. And/or knocked their woolen socks off! JFK's warm smile was so infectious, even honor guards were compelled to smile back and of course the ladies were transfixed with swooning gazes toward this superstar attractive American president. I think the crowds would have been even more animated if Jackie had accompanied JFK. However, anymore wildly enthusiastic crowd pushing enthusiasm would have been too much for her imo. I am also blown away at JFK's incredible physical and social energy stamina during this non-stop Irish crowd cheering and pressing and full attention and focus required ceremony after ceremony visit. From the second JFK landed in Air Force one to his AF1 stair ascending departure, he never lost his warm smile and fully engaged social composure. I couldn't have never kept up with anything close to that kind of huge crowd and nonstop ceremony social engagement. No president in modern times has ever come close to inspiring other nation's people's passions, hopes and even physical attraction adoration worldwide like JFK. JFK had become a world-wide adored icon and my guess is, his enemies here at home felt as threatened by this reality as much as JFK's growing super star popularity here at home. Well said, as always, Joe. The reason those images of JFK’s Irish trip are so moving may be that the deep affection between him and the Irish people was reciprocal, as indicated by the following passages from the Prologue to the book JFK in Ireland by Ryan Tubridy. Quote: Kenny O'Donnell, the President's right hand man was flabbergasted. “Ireland?” he said. “Mr. President, may I say something? There's no reason for you to go to Ireland. It would be a waste of time. You've got all the Irish votes in this country that you'll ever get. If you go to Ireland, people will say it's just a pleasure trip.” Nobody thought it was a good idea. Not the American media, not the presidential advisors, nobody. But President Kennedy had made up his mind and when O'Donnell went back to the President the following day to relay this message, Kennedy looked up at him from his newspaper “with an air of exasperated impatience”. “Kenny, let me remind you of something,” he said with a distinct era of finality and authority. “I am the President of the United States, not you. When I say I want to go to Ireland, it means that I'm going to Ireland. Make the arrangements”… “It would be difficult to dream up a more unjustified and time-wasting trip then the one on which President Kennedy is scheduled to embark”, trumpeted an indignant New York Herald, before adding, “In Rome Mr. Kennedy will find neither a Pope nor an established government; in London he will find the Prime Minister with other things on his mind. In Germany, two, he will find something in the nature of a ‘lame duck’ government.” This grave assessment of the international situation was capped by a side-swipe at the other “explanation of the trip – the sentimental call of Dublin and the Kennedy ancestral town of new Ross; but surely his Irish friends would understand that urgent congressional and racial problems required his continued presence in Washington at the moment.” And yet, the man who was always interested in history and global politics, the man who started life as a journalist and had visited Europe on the cusp and in the aftermath of World War Two, wanted to go. He not only wanted to go, he felt entirely entitled to a little something for himself. John Fitzgerald Kennedy wanted to visit the land of his forebears. He wanted to go home. End quote. Joe, you end your post by saying, “JFK had become a world-wide adored icon and my guess is, his enemies here at home felt as threatened by this reality as much as JFK's growing super star popularity here at home.” I agree that this was probably a major factor leading to JFK’s assassination. JFK’s youthful sun-tanned good looks stood out in stark contrast to the sun-starved monochrome world of Ireland in the 1950s and early 1960s depicted in that video as noted by Kirk. This was true not only of Ireland but also of the western world, where the post-war baby boom was beginning to manifest in the perceived threat posed by the younger generation in the 1960s to the establishment (invoking the archetypal puer-senex dichotomy explored by Carl Jung, James Hillman et al). Insofar as JFK could be viewed as the leading embodiment of that threat, Allen Dulles could be viewed as his leading adversary. Dulles’s words in 1965, “That little Kennedy, … he thought he was a god.” (David Talbot, The Devil’s Chessboard, p 1), were an uncharacteristic indiscretion by Dulles which revealed his visceral vindictiveness towards JFK. The following paragraph on page 5 of The Devil’s Chessboard elaborates on this point: “Dulles would serve John F Kennedy for less than a year, but their briefly entwined stories would have monumental consequences. Clearly outmatched in the beginning by the savvy spymaster, who beguiled Kennedy into the Bay of Bigs disaster, JFK proved a quick learner in the Washington power games. He became the first and only president who dared to strip Dulles of his formidable authority. But Dulles’s forced retirement did not last long after Kennedy jettisoned him from the CIA in November 1961. Instead of easing into his twilight years, Dulles continue to operate as if he were still America's intelligence chief, targeting the president who had ended his illustrious career. The underground struggle between these two icons of power is nothing less than the story of the battle for American democracy.” Edited November 25, 2022 by John Cotter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Bauer Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, John Cotter said: Well said, as always, Joe. The reason those images of JFK’s Irish trip are so moving may be that the deep affection between him and the Irish people was reciprocal, as indicated by the following passages from the Prologue to the book JFK in Ireland by Ryan Tubridy. Quote: Kenny O'Donnell, the President's right hand man was flabbergasted. “Ireland?” he said. “Mr. President, may I say something? There's no reason for you to go to Ireland. It would be a waste of time. You've got all the Irish votes in this country that you'll ever get. If you go to Ireland, people will say it's just a pleasure trip.” Nobody thought it was a good idea. Not the American media, not the presidential advisors, nobody. But President Kennedy had made up his mind and when O'Donnell went back to the President the following day to relay this message, Kennedy looked up at him from his newspaper “with an air of exasperated impatience”. “Kenny, let me remind you of something,” he said with a distinct era of finality and authority. “I am the President of the United States, not you. When I say I want to go to Ireland, it means that I'm going to Ireland. Make the arrangements”… “It would be difficult to dream up a more unjustified and time-wasting trip then the one on which President Kennedy is scheduled to embark”, trumpeted an indignant New York Herald, before adding, “In Rome Mr. Kennedy will find neither a Pope nor an established government; in London he will find the Prime Minister with other things on his mind. In Germany, two, he will find something in the nature of a ‘lame duck’ government.” This grave assessment of the international situation was capped by a side-swipe at the other “explanation of the trip – the sentimental call of Dublin and the Kennedy ancestral town of new Ross; but surely his Irish friends would understand that urgent congressional and racial problems required his continued presence in Washington at the moment.” And yet, the man who was always interested in history and global politics, the man who started life as a journalist and had visited Europe on the cusp and in the aftermath of World War Two, wanted to go. He not only wanted to go, he felt entirely entitled to a little something for himself. John Fitzgerald Kennedy wanted to visit the land of his forebears. He wanted to go home. End quote. Joe, you end your post by saying, “JFK had become a world-wide adored icon and my guess is, his enemies here at home felt as threatened by this reality as much as JFK's growing super star popularity here at home.” I agree that this was probably a major factor leading to JFK’s assassination. JFK’s youthful sun-tanned good looks stood out in stark contrast to the sun-starved monochrome world of Ireland in the 1950s and early 1960s depicted in that video as noted by Kirk. This was true not only of Ireland but also of the western world, where the post-war baby boom was beginning to manifest in the perceived threat posed by the younger generation in the 1960s to the establishment (invoking the archetypal puer-senex dichotomy explored by Carl Jung, James Hillman et al). Insofar as JFK could be viewed as the leading embodiment of that threat, Allen Dulles could be viewed as his leading adversary. Dulles’s words in 1965, “That little Kennedy, … he thought he was a god.” (David Talbot, The Devil’s Chessboard, p 1), were an uncharacteristic indiscretion by Dulles which revealed his visceral vindictiveness towards JFK. The following paragraph on page 5 of The Devil’s Chessboard elaborates on this point: “Dulles would serve John F Kennedy for less than a year, but their briefly entwined stories would have monumental consequences. Clearly outmatched in the beginning by the savvy spymaster, who beguiled Kennedy into the Bay of Bigs disaster, JFK proved a quick learner in the Washington power games. He became the first and only president who dared to strip Dulles of his formidable authority. But Dulles’s forced retirement did not last long after Kennedy jettisoned him from the CIA in November 1961. Instead of easing into his twilight years, Dulles continue to operate as if he were still America's intelligence chief, targeting the president who had ended his illustrious career. The underground struggle between these two icons of power is nothing less than the story of the battle for American democracy.” My postings are always being outdone and outshined by our newer members like John C. I will only take credit for initiating the basic take context of our mutually inspired postings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Bauer Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 30 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said: Posted by someone on Facebook today: WOW! Looking like Twitter may be Musk's Edsel / Delorean /Trump Casinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said: My postings are always being outdone and outshined by our newer members like John C. I will only take credit for initiating the basic take context of our mutually inspired postings. Thanks, Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Koch Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Douglas Caddy said: Sounds very impartial and fair (sarcasm added) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ron Bulman Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said: Hopefully he will start carving before Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 - BREAKING NEWS- Texas is bracing for a major snow storm. Ted Cruz has been deemed a flight risk. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said: - BREAKING NEWS- Texas is bracing for a major snow storm. Ted Cruz has been deemed a flight risk. Steve Thomas I still can't understand Texans letting CANCUN CRUZ off the hook for deserting them in the middle of that record breaking freeze a couple of years ago ( that left millions of them in dire straits including torturous hypothermic deaths ) all while he ( Raphael Cruz ) went South to Mexico to tan on the beaches of Cancun in shorts and straw hat, drinking Mai Tais and ogling the bikini babes walking about. Sorry my freezing fellow Texans...I need some time alone on the beaches of CanCun "first" before tending to your stinkin' badge needs...comprende? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) Will the Hershel Walker "ERECTION" obsession gaff issue decide the Georgia Senate election? Will the Repubs GRAB ONTO this hot button issue and turn it into a ... Our candidate is BIGGER than your candidate media blitz campaign? Offering bigger grilled hot dogs at outdoor rallies than the dem candidate? Maybe transporting Hershey around to whistle/speaking tour stops in an erection replica bus? How about an erection shaped VOTE WALKER advertisement blimp? Or Walker "Erection" stick mounted signs to be waved about in their campaign crowd audiences? Lapel pins? Ball caps? T-shirts? What a great campaign slogan thing this ERECTION issue is turning out to be Our guy Hershey is the best ERECTION candidate! YEAH BABY...YEAH! WHOOOHAW!!! And a tougher stronger WEREWOLF versus that weaker VAMPIRE Warnock! Edited November 25, 2022 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: I still can't understand Texans letting CANCUN CRUZ off the hook for deserting them in the middle of that record breaking freeze a couple of years ago Joe, In the most recent election, Beto O'Rourke ran on a gun safety platform. In Uvalde, Texas, Greg Abbott won 60% of the vote. It's incomprehensible. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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