John Butler Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said: Yes, that is incorrect. No interior photos of the limo were taken at PH... Thanks, I have been informed this was the VP's vehicle. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Butler Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Just now, Pamela Brown said: The top photo is of another car at PH, probably the VP car, as there are yellow roses in it. That is what Lady Bird was given. Jackie was given red roses. You can see a few petals on the SS Saturday (bottom) photo. Jackie's skirt was covered in blood. She did 'sit in that mess'. She tried to crawl out onto the trunk of the limo, but Clint Hill pushed her back in. We can only imagine the trauma she suffered that day. Yes. The VP's vehicle. Different roses. No jump seats. 1 minute ago, Pamela Brown said: Jackie was given red roses. You can see a few petals on the SS Saturday (bottom) photo. Jackie's skirt was covered in blood. She did 'sit in that mess'. She tried to crawl out onto the trunk of the limo, but Clint Hill pushed her back in. We can only imagine the trauma she suffered that day. I don't think she sat in what was shown in my post as the bottom photo. I did work on this sometime back and came to a different conclusion based on how she appeared after the assassination in various photos she can be seen in where her outfit is not as badly messed as it would be if she did sit in that mess. That may suggest the "mess" was put there in the garage later. Either way something is fishy. In these photos you can only see her from the left in two of the above. Her left hip and rear should be badly stained. In the center photo, it shows he area where JFK's head supposedly laid in her lap. His head was still bleeding on the surgical table. Matter was still falling from his skull. From what I can see it appears that she wiped her hands on her skirt and legs. There has been so many lies told about the JFKA that I question everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Krome Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, John Butler said: I don't think she sat in what was shown in my post as the bottom photo. I think what we need to determine is how exactly Jackie positioned herself after returning to the limo interior. The reenactment photo showing JFK position seems logical. Edited May 4, 2021 by Tony Krome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Rice Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Pamela Brown said: The top photo is of another car at PH, probably the VP car, as there are yellow roses in it. That is what Lady Bird was given. Jackie was given red roses. You can see a few petals on the SS Saturday (bottom) photo. Thanks. I was going to say that it was not JFK's limo as, those weren't jump seats and the upholstery didn't match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Tony Krome said: I think what we need to determine is how exactly Jackie positioned herself after returning to the limo interior. The reenactment photo showing JFK position seems logical. The roses are missing in this photo. They could have affected JFK's position... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, John Butler said: Yes. The VP's vehicle. Different roses. No jump seats. I don't think she sat in what was shown in my post as the bottom photo. I did work on this sometime back and came to a different conclusion based on how she appeared after the assassination in various photos she can be seen in where her outfit is not as badly messed as it would be if she did sit in that mess. That may suggest the "mess" was put there in the garage later. Either way something is fishy. In these photos you can only see her from the left in two of the above. Her left hip and rear should be badly stained. In the center photo, it shows he area where JFK's head supposedly laid in her lap. His head was still bleeding on the surgical table. Matter was still falling from his skull. From what I can see it appears that she wiped her hands on her skirt and legs. There has been so many lies told about the JFKA that I question everything. You should question everything. There was a lot more blood on Jackie than is visible in these photographs, as she wiped herself off for the AF1 photos she was forced to endure. Of course, she was the essence of courage, refusing to change into the nice white outfit Lady Bird had conveniently set out for her. "Let them see what they have done," Jackie said... Edited May 5, 2021 by Pamela Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 Correct the car with the flowers in the backseat was the VP car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 The last two days "Outtakes" frame composite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Butler Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) On 5/4/2021 at 4:31 PM, Tony Krome said: I think what we need to determine is how exactly Jackie positioned herself after returning to the limo interior. The reenactment photo showing JFK position seems logical. This is from the JFK movie? or some other? The later Z frames indicate she returns and sits basically where she was at prior to going onto the trunk. I don't know of any other films that would show that. Do you know the date of this photo. When was it taken. Look at the trees on the west side TSBD and note how tall they are in comparison to the Moorman photo of Glen McBride. Edited May 5, 2021 by John Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Krome Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, John Butler said: This is from the JFK movie? or some other? The later Z frames indicate she returns and sits basically where she was at prior to going onto the trunk. I don't know of any other films that would show that. Do you know the date of this photo. When was it taken. Look at the trees on the west side TSBD and note how tall they are in comparison to the Moorman photo of Glen McBride. 1977, Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald movie Once Jackie left the interior of the limo, there should have been nothing to prevent the unconscious President from falling all the way over as seen in the reenactment photo leaving hardly any space. But she squeezed back in the limo somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) My colorized interpretation of the Miller photo. Edited May 6, 2021 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Krome Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 44 minutes ago, Robin Unger said: It appears the pink closest to the camera is Jackie's hat which looks to be up against the rear of the jump seat. Maybe she has her knees on the floor between her seat and Nellies. Clint Hill's knees appear to be on the rear seat where JFK should be ... hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Tony Krome said: It appears the pink closest to the camera is Jackie's hat which looks to be up against the rear of the jump seat. Maybe she has her knees on the floor between her seat and Nellies. Clint Hill's knees appear to be on the rear seat where JFK should be ... hmmm Yes that was what i saw in the b&w photo, Jackie's hat appears to be up against the rear right hand door. she appears to be down on the carpet and leaning forward towards the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Robin Unger said: My colorized interpretation of the Miller photo. I realize this is an old question, discussed before, but is that JFK's foot hanging outside the limousine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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