Michael Crane Posted May 27, 2022 Author Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) One Ringy Dingy. Edited May 27, 2022 by Michael Crane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Mellor Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 On 5/26/2022 at 1:41 PM, Joseph McBride said: Hubert Clark tells his account so well I am exasperated by this ill-prepared guy interrupting him constantly, repeating what he says, asking leading questions, etc. etc. A good interviewer knows when to shut up. Yes, Joseph, agree entirely, this guy couldn't keep quiet & let Clark tell his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crane Posted May 27, 2022 Author Share Posted May 27, 2022 To be fair,Hubert was also interupting.He is growing on me & he seems to be thinking along the same line as I do about the bronze casket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 "Hubert was also interrupting"? He sometimes had to do so to get his story in while the other guy was yakking away repeating what Clark had told him or blathering on about whatever. I wished Clark had just told the guy to hold on and let him tell his story, but he was being polite. Clark was compelling whenever he was allowed to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lifton Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) On 5/26/2022 at 5:41 AM, Joseph McBride said: Hubert Clark tells his account so well I am exasperated by this ill-prepared guy interrupting him constantly, repeating what he says, asking leading questions, etc. etc. A good interviewer knows when to shut up. Joe: I agree. One of the things one learns --when one conducts an interview --is when to "shut up." You don't interrupt the witness. Ever. You wait until the witness answers.the question he (or she) was asked. And then you ask your next question. This may seem like common sense, but many would be historians don't "get it." The purpose of an interview is not to win an argument, or change a witness's mind, but to elicit a full and complete record of the recollections that are resident in the subject's head. (5/28/22 - 12:15 AM PDT) Edited May 28, 2022 by David Lifton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 IMO the best Hugh Clark interview was conducted by Brent Holland. The part Andrews AFB /Bethesda starts at about 11min. PS This interview is even more detailed and accurate than Hugh Clarks book "Betrayal." Hugh Clark interviewed by Brent Holland KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Regarding Galloways role in the JFK double-autopsy I found this interesting pdf. (More questions than answers.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crane Posted May 30, 2022 Author Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Karl Kinaski said: IMO the best Hugh Clark interview was conducted by Brent Holland. The part Andrews AFB /Bethesda starts at about 11min. PS This interview is even more detailed and accurate than Hugh Clarks book "Betrayal." Hugh Clark interviewed by Brent Holland KK Hey Karl,I wanna thank you for that.There was a different Youtube video with Hubert,but it was silent.I'm listening now. Edited May 30, 2022 by Michael Crane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) I imagine Hubert Clark making a bustling beeline to the nearest outdoor exit the second he left the table and once outside letting out a clenched fist primal scream release after that gut wrenching constant interrupting interview by that Dr. Mad Scientist looking guy. There were a few times it looked like Clark was ready to bop his mike on the manic over-talking interviewer's head or grab him by the throat and through gritted teeth growl..."don't you ever SHUT UP!" If I was there and had an over-ripe tomato I really think I would have zinged the interviewer in the head with it. Several times Clark's head reared back and with his eyes looking as if they were popping out just glared at this jabbering fool of an interviewer. Like he couldn't believe how he got trapped into this meet up with this incessant babbling, wild white haired loon! A few questions for Clark however. When he said he and his casket removal team met the Andrews Air Base arriving ambulance with JFK's casket inside at the main administrative entrance to Bethesda did he think he and his team would physically carry JFK's casket all the way to the back and the morgue entrance there? Or were they supposed to place the casket in the pickup they were riding in to drive it to the morgue entrance? Maybe the ambulance driver didn't know this plan, and figured he would drive the casket to the morgue entrance himself? Maybe the ambulance driver sped away as fast as he did trying to avoid what he thought might be press people following him? Hence, the lights out thing as well? Clark said the burial casket weighed 1400 pounds? My Gad! That was about the weight of a Volkswagon beetle! Back injury weight. Clark says a black car delivered a grey ( silver) colored ( shipping ) casket to the morgue loading dock well before the delivery of the Dallas originating bronze one. Is he simply repeating Dennis David's account of this without seeing it for himself? Lastly, did the embalming of JFK's body after the autopsy take place in the Bethesda morgue itself? Or, was JFK's body driven to the embalmer's funeral home for this procedure? Never could understand that aspect of the JFK body work. Edited May 30, 2022 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Mellor Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said: Lastly, did the embalming of JFK's body after the autopsy take place in the Bethesda morgue itself? Or, was JFK's body driven to the embalmer's funeral home for this procedure? Never could understand that aspect of the JFK body work. Joe, yep! Gawler mortician Tom Robinson was sat in the gallery throughout JFK's autopsy & when this was complete (from memory) around midnight, the Gawler men went to work on the cadaver. I believe they did restorative wax work on JFK's face and dressed the body, placed in casket etc. I believe Robinson testified to the A.R.R.B. that around ten tiny metal fragments were removed from the skull & placed in a glass phial. As for the questions on Hugh Clark, I have his book in my Kindle reader, unfortunately it is a few years since I read his story & the Kindle's battery is flat, so I'll need to get back to you on those details, unless someone answers your queries first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Mellor Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: When he said he and his casket removal team met the Andrews Air Base arriving ambulance with JFK's casket inside at the main administrative entrance to Bethesda did he think he and his team would physically carry JFK's casket all the way to the back and the morgue entrance there? Or were they supposed to place the casket in the pickup they were riding in to drive it to the morgue entrance? From Clark's publication: 'Betrayal A JFK Honor Guard Speaks.' He writes that they were supposed to remove the casket from the Navy ambulance & place it on the pickup. They were interrupted by press photographers around the ambulance, which then "just took off." 3 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: Maybe the ambulance driver didn't know this plan, and figured he would drive the casket to the morgue entrance himself? Maybe the ambulance driver sped away as fast as he did trying to avoid what he thought might be press people following him? Hence, the lights out thing as well? Maybe. 3 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: Clark says a black car delivered a grey ( silver) colored ( shipping ) casket to the morgue loading dock well before the delivery of the Dallas originating bronze one. Is he simply repeating Dennis David's account of this without seeing it for himself? In his book he makes no mention of any other casket arrival at the morgue. After the Guards duty outside the morgue during the autopsy they left around 4 a.m. with the new casket & the Kennedy family to the White House to escort the casket to the East Room. "At no time did I see any other casket come through either one of those two doors to the morgue, other than the mahogany casket which was brought in around midnight." Edited May 30, 2022 by Pete Mellor Add info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 This frustrating interview led me to re-read Clark's helpful book. David Lifton is an excellent interviewer, as we know from the invaluable quotes he drew from his sources and the way we see him work on his BEST EVIDENCE video. Documentary filmmaker Errol Morris, another superb interviewer, says he believes in saying as little as possible, because his job as interviewer is getting the subject to talk (he also says if you let anyone talk uninterrupted for 30 minutes, they will reveal they are crazy). Occasionally an interviewer needs to redirect the flow of reminiscences and so forth, but you want the subjects to tell their story without leading questions and other interruptions as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crane Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 I think that General Wehle got bamboozled that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Lifton Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) On 5/11/2022 at 1:13 PM, Michael Crane said: Was part of the shenanigans going on at Bethesda.He led the joint casket team on that wild goose chase as a diversion tactic. Who was his superior? The White House? Discuss. No. Galloway's superior (Adm. Kenney) was the head of "BuMed" --the Navy's Bureau of Medicine and Surgery. That unit (aka "BuMed") was in charge of all Navy medical facilities, whether Navy Hospitals on land or on ships at sea. (I once traced the naval lines of authority, laid out in the official organization charts available at UCLA's Research Library, in the USG/Government Organization Manual). That individual --the chief of BuMed -- was Admiral Edward Kenney. So. . .who was "below" Adm. Kenney? As I recall: Galloway was CO of NNMC/Bethesda. . . "National Naval Medical Center/Bethesda)". There was one other significant individual on the naval chain of command --the CO of Bethesda Naval Hospital: Capt. John Stover. He reported to "Captain Canada." To recap: to the best of my recollection: the naval line of authority went from Adm. Kenney, to Adm. Galloway; to Captain Canada, to Capt. Stover. Adm. Burkley, the White House Physician, "outranked" everyone, because he reported directly to POTUS, as I recall. DSL (6/2/22 -5:20 AM PDT) Edited June 2, 2022 by David Lifton Adding to clarity. Further data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph McBride Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Admiral Burkley in his 1967 oral history for the JFK Library said, "I supervised the autopsy." He complained at length about the Secret Service barring him in Dallas from riding in close proximity to the presidential limousine. When asked if he agreed with the Warren Report on the number of bullets that entered the president's body, he said, "I would not care to be quoted on that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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