Nixon's plan to threaten the CIA on JFK's assassination

[Pete Mellor]

3 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

If I recall that's where the 11/22 meeting took place where Desmond Fitzgerald offered him a poison pen.

I'm sure I've read somewhere that this meeting was in Paris.

[Denny Zartman]

Interesting. While it is possible Nixon might have been referring to the JFK assassination using a double meaning as discussed above, in my opinion it's just not unambiguous enough to draw a firm conclusion

[David Boylan]

18 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

David - thanks for the links. I remember reading that Hunt had been appointed to a CIA post in Spain in 1964, so this must refer to pre Watergate. I also recall Fensterwald saying he had eye witness testimony to Hunt’s presence in Madrid in 1962. What connection does AMLASH have with Spain? 

Hi Paul,

Cubela/AMLASH-1's case officer was Williamson who was stationed in Madrid. He would meet him there.

On a related not, Joe Backes wrote this on his blog. It seems that Hunt was given clearance for QKENCHANT.

http://www.justiceforkennedy.com/

[Paul Brancato]

2 hours ago, David Boylan said:

Hi Paul,

Cubela/AMLASH-1's case officer was Williamson who was stationed in Madrid. He would meet him there.

On a related not, Joe Backes wrote this on his blog. It seems that Hunt was given clearance for QKENCHANT.

http://www.justiceforkennedy.com/

Hi - I am having difficulty finding a source for the name of Cubela’s case officer. I read some of his testimony which wasn’t very forthcoming, but he is unidentified in that document. Can you fill in any details? 

[David Boylan]

Sure. It was Nestor Sanchez. Sanchez had worked for William Harvey as a special assistant and later under Fitzgerald's SAS in the Special Operations section.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=108514#relPageId=2

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/pseudodb.php?id=SANSON_NICHOLAS

[Pete Mellor]

On 6/8/2022 at 9:37 AM, Pat Speer said:

If I recall that's where the 11/22 meeting took place where Desmond Fitzgerald offered him a poison pen.

This 22/11/63 meet with AM/Lash & Desmond FitzGerald location has been bugging me as to where I picked up the Paris link.  It's in Hurt's 'Reasonable Doubt' pgs342-343:-

"Pretending to be the personal representative of Robert Kennedy, Fitzgerald, using an alias, met with Cubela in Paris on October 29, 1963.  Later, on November 22, 1963, Desmond FitzGerald met in Paris with Cubela to covey officially what Cubela had been told to expect: assurance of the full support of the U.S. government in the overthrow of the Castro regime, which included the murder of the highest officials.  FitzGerald presented Cubela with the deadly pen, which, when filled with poison, could be used as a murder weapon to assassinate Fidel Castro."

[Ron Bulman]

13 hours ago, Pete Mellor said:

This 22/11/63 meet with AM/Lash & Desmond FitzGerald location has been bugging me as to where I picked up the Paris link.  It's in Hurt's 'Reasonable Doubt' pgs342-343:-

"Pretending to be the personal representative of Robert Kennedy, Fitzgerald, using an alias, met with Cubela in Paris on October 29, 1963.  Later, on November 22, 1963, Desmond FitzGerald met in Paris with Cubela to covey officially what Cubela had been told to expect: assurance of the full support of the U.S. government in the overthrow of the Castro regime, which included the murder of the highest officials.  FitzGerald presented Cubela with the deadly pen, which, when filled with poison, could be used as a murder weapon to assassinate Fidel Castro."

I believe it's mentioned elsewhere though I don't remember where for I've read the same, but I've not read Hurt's book.  If you have it does he site a source?

[David Boylan]

Ron,

Here's a more direct source.

Cover and plan for Fitzgerald - 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=47982#relPageId=2

From Nestor Sanchez. "Great Minds Think Alike." Gotta love that. This is the beginning of the plan to meet.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=47987#relPageId=2

Dainold is a pseudonym for Fitzgerald. Here's the Paris 10/29 meeting.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=47980#relPageId=2

Here's a report of the 11/22 meeting. Ontrich aka Nicolas Sanson is Nestor Sanchez, AMLASH-1's Case Officer. S/W is secret writing. Fitzgerald was not present.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=186955

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=44472#relPageId=2

Cubela "can't understand why he was not given small pieces of equipment (poison pen) which promised a final solution to the problem..." Item 6.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=19462#relPageId=4

This timeline shows that Fitzgerald DID meet with Cubela on 11/22. I believe it was wrong. Sanchez gave him the pen.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=148895#relPageId=33

Lots of discussion about the pen. AMLASH Case Officer was Nestor Sanchez. This was his testimony before the Senate Select Committee in 1975.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=33937#relPageId=101

 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2022 by David Boylan

[Pete Mellor]

On 6/13/2022 at 5:40 AM, Ron Bulman said:

I believe it's mentioned elsewhere though I don't remember where for I've read the same, but I've not read Hurt's book.  If you have it does he site a source?

Certainly does Ron.  'Reasonable Doubt' pgs342-343 Note:-Senate Select Committee, Alleged Assassination Plots, p89.  Washington Post, May 2nd 1976.  Hinckle & Turner, 'The Fish Is Red' p219.

[James DiEugenio]

Well, this should be interesting don't you think?

 

https://collider.com/nixed-trailer-michael-davis-richard-nixon-john-f-kennedy/

[Pete Mellor]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Well, this should be interesting don't you think?

 

https://collider.com/nixed-trailer-michael-davis-richard-nixon-john-f-kennedy/

Love the art work!

[Denny Zartman]

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Well, this should be interesting don't you think?

 

https://collider.com/nixed-trailer-michael-davis-richard-nixon-john-f-kennedy/

That certainly looks different. While I will try not to judge the film before I see it, in theory I'm not very enthusiastic about mixing fact with fiction in this case.

[Paul Brancato]

On 6/13/2022 at 5:56 AM, David Boylan said:

Ron,

Here's a more direct source.

Cover and plan for Fitzgerald - 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=47982#relPageId=2

From Nestor Sanchez. "Great Minds Think Alike." Gotta love that. This is the beginning of the plan to meet.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=47987#relPageId=2

Dainold is a pseudonym for Fitzgerald. Here's the Paris 10/29 meeting.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=47980#relPageId=2

Here's a report of the 11/22 meeting. Ontrich aka Nicolas Sanson is Nestor Sanchez, AMLASH-1's Case Officer. S/W is secret writing. Fitzgerald was not present.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=186955

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=44472#relPageId=2

Cubela "can't understand why he was not given small pieces of equipment (poison pen) which promised a final solution to the problem..." Item 6.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=19462#relPageId=4

This timeline shows that Fitzgerald DID meet with Cubela on 11/22. I believe it was wrong. Sanchez gave him the pen.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=148895#relPageId=33

Lots of discussion about the pen. AMLASH Case Officer was Nestor Sanchez. This was his testimony before the Senate Select Committee in 1975.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=33937#relPageId=101

 

 

 

David - I’m struck by Amlash-1 Cubela saying that he might seek weapons from OAS if the USG kept dragging its heels and providing them. Is there evidence on record that Cubela spent time in Spain prior to 1964? Am I correct that he was a Cuban official who was traveling around on official business?