James DiEugenio Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I am really looking forward to Paul's essay on this. I think there will be more than one. He is one of the very few people who has collected many of Garrisons' files and actually read them obectively and closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said: the LHO/escort sighting at the Carousel mentions the scar over the left eye. Paul, some of the newer members may have no idea what you're talking about. Might you fill them in? I think I remember this detail correctly, if so, it adds to my suspicions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Yes, go ahead Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 When I can find my original post I’ll be more specific. The basic story is that Oswald was seen at the Carousel with a tanned man with a scar above his left eyebrow. The witness to this says he took a picture of the table where they were sitting but Ruby spotted him and took the picture, or camera, away. This is somewhere in Billings notes. Also, DA Wade says Oswald was seen at the Carousel around Nov 10, 1963. Sorry - googling isn’t helping, and I’m not sure what thread this is on, but I’ll keep looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Mellor Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 4/2/2017 at 10:46 PM, Paul Brancato said: Also, Billings account mentions the scar on the eyebrow Mexican seen with Oswald at the Carousel club in Nivember of 1963. Seems Garrison was onto Morales. Question for my busy and lazy self - did Garrison refer to Morales by name? 35 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said: When I can find my original post I’ll be more specific. The basic story is that Oswald was seen at the Carousel with a tanned man with a scar above his left eyebrow. The witness to this says he took a picture of the table where they were sitting but Ruby spotted him and took the picture, or camera, away. This is somewhere in Billings notes. Also, DA Wade says Oswald was seen at the Carousel around Nov 10, 1963. Sorry - googling isn’t helping, and I’m not sure what thread this is on, but I’ll keep looking. Paul, the first quote is from the 'Spanish Trace' thread from 2017 if that's any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Pete Mellor said: Paul, the first quote is from the 'Spanish Trace' thread from 2017 if that's any help. Thanks Pete - I did find that one, but a longer one exists. I’m just not sure which thread it’s on, and I couldn’t find it in several months of Billings notes. I’m certain I read it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Kelly Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Paul Garrison "investigator" Richard Billing wrote about a gray suit-wearing "Spanish trace / shepherd" whom Bringuier noticed monitoring and taking photos of Oswald that day. The link is: http://www.jfk-online.com/billings4.html FWIW, here is what the Billings notes say: Garrison says Oswald almost definitely can be placed in the Carousel . . . Check statement of Harvey [sic] Wade (Vol. XXV, CE 2370) . . . Wade says Oswald was sitting with a white male, 30 to 32, stocky, dark, 200 pounds, etc. The Spanish trace continued . . . Wade made his statement on Nov. 26 . . . Said he saw Oswald in club Nov. 10 . . . Furthermore, the mind reading MC, Bill de Mar . . . Also in CE 2370 . . . He says a photographer snapped picture of table, whereupon Ruby grabbed film and tore it up . . . More on Spanish trace . . . Giant says the shepherd has a one-inch scar on left eyebrow . . . He was also seen by Bringuier and Miguel Cruz at Maison Blanche when Oswald passing out leaflets . . . He was wearing a coat and tie and sunglasses . . . He was taking pictures of Oswald . . . And was this not the guy driving the tan station wagon? . . . Garrison is convinced the reason the CIA sent the Commission the phony picture taken at the Cuban embassy is that the Shepherd appeared in the real one with Oswald, and the Company wasn't about to let him be implicated . . . "They didn't dare show the picture of the guy who was really involved" . . . Garrison theorizes Oswald knew he was on some kind of mission, but he probably didn't know details. Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Thank you! It was the Bill de Mar story I was hunting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 I believe there has been discussion before on the forum about David Morales having a scar over his left eye. Maybe even pictures? I'll look for details. If so, interesting. How many Spanish Trace/El Indio's had such? A bit unusual? I know no one with one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 I think Morales is too tall for this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 It was mentioned somewhere on page 7 here per a search, though maybe that doesn't mean much. Then again on page four somewhere in this TG - PT mess. Not much of a reference, but not my imagination. I wonder, where did this originate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Mellor Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Roy for Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 9 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: I think Morales is too tall for this guy. How do you know how tall shepherd is? I couldn't find that in Billing's notes. And how tall is Morales? BTW, here are all of Billings' notes (AFAIK): https://www.jfk-online.com/billings1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Judging by this photo, I'd say that Morales was a bit more than "average height." 6 ft maybe. (Morales is the one wearing white trousers.) Edited July 15, 2022 by Sandy Larsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Morales had a scar across his left eyebrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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