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A Statement Regarding the Future of the Forum


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1 hour ago, James R Gordon said:

I am not able to pick up the September payment but I can make the payment on your behalf.

As yet I have not informed Invision I am no longer the payee. My bank account is still linked to Invision. I am certain the donation link still operates for Paypal contributions. So I can make the payments on your behalf and I am willing to do so, The present payment - because of currency conversion -is now £60. That means you need to collect $80 [ not $ 70 ] to allow for the $ 60 payment. That is roughly $6 if 15 members are contributing.

Membership is our problem but there appears sufficient membership to meet the $80 threshold.

In the long run the EF has a serious funding problem. But if we can donate $80 each month [ and I pledge to transfer that payment to Invision on your behalf ] then the EF is still alive for the short term.

James

 

Thank you James.

So, just to cover the month of September, I will start a new topic asking for everyone who has chimed in on this topic(and any others interested) who offered to contribute, go ahead and use the "donation" link once they are logged in and donate only $5.

I suggest we let this $5 contribution period last one week.

After one week, you can then inform us as to how much was raised, if we're short of the $80 mark we'll make up the difference.

Please do not inform us before a weeks time is up if we hit the $80 mark.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

Ok so to be clear these are not donations.   This should be clear this is fir people to access and post on the forum.   Non payments should be access only.  

Cory,

Let's at least get September funded to give us a little more breathing time. This will allow us to work out what type of access format is preferred, among other addressable items.

 

 

 

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From everything I've seen here, it appears that the PayPal account should be a US dollar one (not UK pound) since most members are in the U.S. and Invision is also in the U.S. That way there will be very little money lost for currency exchange.

BTW, I'm with Kathy... against a pay-to-post system and for donations. Those with higher incomes -- and especially those who post the  most -- are willing to pay more. Those with low incomes --and especially those who post the least -- may not be able to donate much if at all.

 

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5 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

From everything I've seen here, it appears that the PayPal account should be a US dollar one (not UK pound) since most members are in the U.S. and Invision is also in the U.S. That way there will be very little money lost for currency exchange.

I am with you here, it should be based wherever is most efficient (taxes and fees considered). 

 

6 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

BTW, I'm with Kathy... against a pay-to-post system and for donations. Those with higher incomes -- and especially those who post the  most -- are willing to pay more. Those with low incomes --and especially those who post the least -- may not be able to donate much if at all.

This makes sense also. 3 people or more have expressed financial hardship of late and I wouldn’t want them to be excluded from posting. We may not all get on but, there is a community. 

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9 minutes ago, James R Gordon said:

I understand Sandy.

However the Paypal account is based in the UK. Contributions from the USA are usually in dollars and I have no alternative but to exchange the funds into pounds.

James

 

But James, that particular PayPal account doesn't have to be used to pay Invision. Any PayPal account can be used. If we continue using that PayPal account, then we end up paying a currency exchange fee in BOTH directions.

 

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Sandy,

That Paypal account was setup for collection.
I agree a PayPal account based in the US and payments made from it would be preferable.
For that to happen someone else will need to make payments to Invision as well as set up their Paypal account with them.
Though my account is not ideal it is a workable solution in the short time.

James.

 

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Sandy,

I do not envisage my account as a permanent solution. I accept all you say about currency transfer.

In 27 days we have a payment to make to Invision. If we are not to use my account - in the short term - then what is your proposal?

James.

 

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9 minutes ago, James R Gordon said:

For that to happen someone else will need to make payments to Invision as well as set up their Paypal account with them.

 

Yes that is true. And I would add that there should be more than one person's name on the account just in case something happens to one of the people. I believe it is easy to add people to a PayPal account.

As you mentioned earlier, it is easy to set up an automatic monthly payment from PayPal to Invision. So payments would take care of themselves. I'll bet that PayPal has a feature to notify the owners when the balance drops below a certain amount. Upon receiving that, an admin could announce a donation drive.

I believe that a donation drive would occur once every couple of years.

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That would work Sandy.
I suspect linking the Paypal account to Invision might be more complex than it first seems.
Also that Paypal account cannot be mine for the reasons you have stated.
That said we have an immanent payment to make. Do we stay with the present system to make that payment?
James

 

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Yes James, since your PayPal account currently has enough money to make the next Invision payment, you should do just that.

In the meantime we should be setting up an America-based PayPal account. Unless, of course, others disagree with me on that.

 

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Assuming others go along with my idea to open an America-based PayPal account, I'll explore the next step.

The next question is this: In whose name should the PayPal account be opened under?

FYI, to open a PayPal account all you need is a person's name, his address, and his phone number.

(Opening the account is easy. I wouldn't mind doing it for someone. Problem is, I suspect that it will call the phone number as part of setting up the account.)

Okay, you also need an e-mail address. And in fact, the way people send money to a particular PayPal member is by sending it to their e-mail address. It is for this reason that I believe we should set up a special gmail account for the forum. (I can do this.) Give it a name like educationforum@gmail.com. Any mail PayPal sends to this address can be easily forwarded to the Education Forum admin staff members' e-mail addresses.

 

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1 minute ago, Sandy Larsen said:

The next question is this: In whose name should the [America-based] PayPal account be opened under?

 

We need a volunteer for this. But it can't be just anybody... it needs to be somebody we trust with access to the money. And somebody very unlikely to switch from the CT side to the LN side.

It would be great if this person is active on the forum, or has been in the past.

A younger, healthier person would be ideal.

Not that any of the above is absolutely necessary. I mean, after all, if things don't go well with the PayPal account owner, we can just create a new account to replace the current one if necessary.

 

P.S. The person must live in America.

 

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To find a person to own the PayPal account, maybe we can nominate people. Even nominate ourselves (i.e. volunteer) if we want.

We could submit names to the admin staff. Then they could vote privately and choose the right person. They could contact their choice and confirm that he/she is willing to own the account

Or maybe, rather than the above procedure, an American in the admin staff can volunteer.

 

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