Dale Myers and his World of Illusion

[James DiEugenio]

BTW, what Henry Lee said  is a very important point.

If the back wound was not dissected, then of course its simply guesswork.  And if anyone should know, it would be Lee.

In a court of law, Lee could testify.  Myers would be laughed off the stand by the judge, jury, and probably the people in the gallery.

Judge:  Mr. Myers, what medical school did you graduate from?

Dale: I did not.

Judge: How many classes have you taken in anatomy?

Dale: None.

Judge: Have you studied under any surgeons who have done extensive work on bullet wounds? 

Dale: I read John Latimer's book.

Judge: Who is that?

Dale: He is a urologist.

Judge:  (Laughter breaks out) Please be quiet. I am sorry, but you will not be allowed to address these issues. What are you even doing here?

 

The real question is:  Why was the back wound not dissected?  This is something that good ole Dale will not confront.  As I said, he did not admit it was not dissected in his simulation.  If you will not admit that, then of course you will not explain why. 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2022 by James DiEugenio

[James DiEugenio]

Now let us go to Henry Lee.  This is from the book JFK Revisited.

 

Stone: So it's important to dissect the track of a gunshot wound in this case?

Lee: It's very important.  Not only dissecting the gunshot wound.  We also have to shave the hair under the bullet entrance area so we can see more detail of the bullet hole. ( Emphasis added. Lee is referring to the skull wound in the last.)

Stone: If that is not done, is there any way to reconstruct it?

Lee: It's very, very difficult (p. 367).

 

End of story.

Edited November 17, 2022 by James DiEugenio

[Micah Mileto]

5 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

 

Although Parkland Drs. Malcolm Perry and Robert McClelland told the Warren Commission about cutting through the strap muscles on the front of Kennedy’s neck (WC Vol. 6, p. 30, McClelland's 3/21/1964 testimony [text]; WC Vol. 6, p. 7, Perry’s 3/25/1964 testimony [text]; WC Vol. 3, p. 366, Perry's 3/30/1964 testimony [text]), the Bethesda pathologists failed to make any known statements that describe finding a surgical defect on the strap muscles, such as scalpel cuts. The pathologists did, however, describe bruising on the strap muscles. They officially concluded that the bruising was caused by the nearby exiting bullet (WC Vol. 17, p. 30, CE 397, handwritten autopsy protocol; WC D 77, typed autopsy protocol [text]; WC Vol. 2, p. 347, Dr. Humes' WC testimony, 3/16/1964 [text]), although they were not totally clear on when they began to realize the defect in the throat was a former bullet hole. According to a report by Arlen Specter on a 3/11/1964 meeting with Humes, Boswell, and witness Admiral Calvin Galloway, “...Dr. Humes and Dr. Boswell further said that it was their current opinions that the bullet passed in between two major muscle strands in the President's back and continued on a downward flight and exited through his throat. They noted, at the time of the autopsy, some bruising of the internal parts of the President's body in the area but tended to attribute that to the tracheotomy at that time…” (Specter, 3/12/1964, Interview of Autopsy Surgeons [page 1] [page 2]). But, in Humes’ testimony to the Warren Commission, he said “...We examined in the region of this incised surgical wound which was the tracheotomy wound and we saw that there was some bruising of the muscles of the neck in the depths of this wound as well as laceration or defect in the trachea. At this point, of course, I am unable to say how much of the defect in the trachea was made by the knife of the surgeon, and how much of the defect was made by the missile wound. That would have to be ascertained from the surgeon who actually did the tracheotomy. There was, however, some ecchymosis or contusion, of the muscles of the right anterior neck inferiorly, without, however, any disruption of the muscles or any significant tearing of the muscles. The muscles in this area of the body run roughly, as you see as he depicted them here. We have removed some of them for a point I will make in a moment, but it is our opinion that the missile traversed the neck and slid between these muscles and other vital structures with a course in the neck such as the carotid artery, the jugular vein and other structures because there was no massive hemmorhage or other massive injury in this portion of the neck...”, “...When examining the wounds in the base of the President's neck anteriorly, the region of the tracheotomy performed at Parkland Hospital, we noted and we noted in our record, some contusion and bruising of the muscles of the neck of the President. We noted that at the time of the postmortem examination. Now, we also made note of the types of wounds which I mentioned to you before in this testimony on the chest which were going to be used by the doctors there to place chest tubes. They also made other wounds. one on the left arm, and a wound on the ankle of the President with the idea of administering intravenous. blood and other fluids in hope of replacing the blood which the President had lost from his extensive wounds. Those wounds showed no evidence of bruising or contusion or physical violence, which made us reach the conclusion that they were performed during the agonal moments of the late president, and when the circulation was, in essence, very seriously embarrassed, if not nonfunctional. So that these wounds, the wound of the chest and the wound of the arm and of the ankle were performed about the same time as the tracheotomy wound because only a very few moments of time elapsed when all this was going on. So, therefore, we reached the conclusion that the damage to these muscles on the anterior neck just below this wound were received at approximately the same time that the wound here on the top of the pleural cavity was, while the President still lived and while his heart and lungs were operating in such a fashion to permit him to have a bruise in the vicinity, because that he did have in these strap muscles in the neck, but he didn't have in the areas of the other incisions that were made at Parkland Hospital. So we feel that, had this missile not made its path in that fashion, the wound made by Doctor Perry in the neck would not have been able to produce, wouldn't have been able to produce, these contusions of the musculature of the neck” (WC Vol. 2, p. 347, 3/16/1964 testimony [text]). Again, why would Humes say there was “...some ecchymosis or contusion, of the muscles of the right anterior neck inferiorly, without, however, any disruption of the muscles or any significant tearing of the muscles…”, if Perry and McClelland said the strap muscles were cut through?

 

[James DiEugenio]

BTW, I should add something.  The reason I wanted Lee is because he has never written so much as a long essay, let alone a book on the JFK case.

When I talked to Oliver about the basic questions he was going to ask him, I said, Henry Lee is going to be our breath of  sanity in this case.  A  solid professional, who is very well respected by everyone.  In fact he was the guy who reduced the whole Vince Foster conspiracy crap to dust.

He did it so well that Starr delayed issuing the report.

Edited November 17, 2022 by James DiEugenio

[James DiEugenio]

But contrast that with what Lee says about the JFK case.

He says that the autopsy materials in this case are so quantitively and qualitatively lacking that he cannot render any kind of an opinion. (James DiEugenio, JFK Revisited, p. 366)  And he said that only happens in about 10 per cent of his cases.  usually he can render an opinion or a partial opinion. (ibid, p. 369

According to one of his students, Lee was even more frank in a class he spoke in.  The student was online and said that Lee went on for twenty minutes on how bad the JFK autopsy was.  In our interview he said that Helpern would have been the guy to do it. (ibid, p. 366)

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by James DiEugenio

[Pat Speer]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

BTW, I should add something.  The reason I wanted Lee is because he has never written so much as a long essay, let alone a book on the JFK case.

When I talked to Oliver about the basic questions he was going to ask him, I said, Henry Lee is going to be our breath of  sanity in this case.  A  solid professional, who is very well respected by everyone.  In fact he was the guy who reduced the whole Vince Foster conspiracy crap to dust.

He did it so well that Starr delayed issuing the report.

Henry Lee has a chapter on the JFK case in one of his books. He basically throws his hands up in the air and says the evidence is a mess. If I recall he also alluded to a paper he'd written on the case, which I was never able to find. 

[Michael Griffith]

17 hours ago, Micah Mileto said:

Although Parkland Drs. Malcolm Perry and Robert McClelland told the Warren Commission about cutting through the strap muscles on the front of Kennedy’s neck (WC Vol. 6, p. 30, McClelland's 3/21/1964 testimony [text]; WC Vol. 6, p. 7, Perry’s 3/25/1964 testimony [text]; WC Vol. 3, p. 366, Perry's 3/30/1964 testimony [text]), the Bethesda pathologists failed to make any known statements that describe finding a surgical defect on the strap muscles, such as scalpel cuts. The pathologists did, however, describe bruising on the strap muscles. They officially concluded that the bruising was caused by the nearby exiting bullet (WC Vol. 17, p. 30, CE 397, handwritten autopsy protocol; WC D 77, typed autopsy protocol [text]; WC Vol. 2, p. 347, Dr. Humes' WC testimony, 3/16/1964 [text]), although they were not totally clear on when they began to realize the defect in the throat was a former bullet hole. According to a report by Arlen Specter on a 3/11/1964 meeting with Humes, Boswell, and witness Admiral Calvin Galloway, “...Dr. Humes and Dr. Boswell further said that it was their current opinions that the bullet passed in between two major muscle strands in the President's back and continued on a downward flight and exited through his throat. They noted, at the time of the autopsy, some bruising of the internal parts of the President's body in the area but tended to attribute that to the tracheotomy at that time…” (Specter, 3/12/1964, Interview of Autopsy Surgeons [page 1] [page 2]). But, in Humes’ testimony to the Warren Commission, he said “...We examined in the region of this incised surgical wound which was the tracheotomy wound and we saw that there was some bruising of the muscles of the neck in the depths of this wound as well as laceration or defect in the trachea. At this point, of course, I am unable to say how much of the defect in the trachea was made by the knife of the surgeon, and how much of the defect was made by the missile wound. That would have to be ascertained from the surgeon who actually did the tracheotomy. There was, however, some ecchymosis or contusion, of the muscles of the right anterior neck inferiorly, without, however, any disruption of the muscles or any significant tearing of the muscles. The muscles in this area of the body run roughly, as you see as he depicted them here. We have removed some of them for a point I will make in a moment, but it is our opinion that the missile traversed the neck and slid between these muscles and other vital structures with a course in the neck such as the carotid artery, the jugular vein and other structures because there was no massive hemmorhage or other massive injury in this portion of the neck...”, “...When examining the wounds in the base of the President's neck anteriorly, the region of the tracheotomy performed at Parkland Hospital, we noted and we noted in our record, some contusion and bruising of the muscles of the neck of the President. We noted that at the time of the postmortem examination. Now, we also made note of the types of wounds which I mentioned to you before in this testimony on the chest which were going to be used by the doctors there to place chest tubes. They also made other wounds. one on the left arm, and a wound on the ankle of the President with the idea of administering intravenous. blood and other fluids in hope of replacing the blood which the President had lost from his extensive wounds. Those wounds showed no evidence of bruising or contusion or physical violence, which made us reach the conclusion that they were performed during the agonal moments of the late president, and when the circulation was, in essence, very seriously embarrassed, if not nonfunctional. So that these wounds, the wound of the chest and the wound of the arm and of the ankle were performed about the same time as the tracheotomy wound because only a very few moments of time elapsed when all this was going on. So, therefore, we reached the conclusion that the damage to these muscles on the anterior neck just below this wound were received at approximately the same time that the wound here on the top of the pleural cavity was, while the President still lived and while his heart and lungs were operating in such a fashion to permit him to have a bruise in the vicinity, because that he did have in these strap muscles in the neck, but he didn't have in the areas of the other incisions that were made at Parkland Hospital. So we feel that, had this missile not made its path in that fashion, the wound made by Doctor Perry in the neck would not have been able to produce, wouldn't have been able to produce, these contusions of the musculature of the neck” (WC Vol. 2, p. 347, 3/16/1964 testimony [text]). Again, why would Humes say there was “...some ecchymosis or contusion, of the muscles of the right anterior neck inferiorly, without, however, any disruption of the muscles or any significant tearing of the muscles…”, if Perry and McClelland said the strap muscles were cut through?

Obviously, Humes and Boswell were lying. We now know that they both knew for an absolute observed fact that the back wound was a shallow wound with no exit point. They probed it extensively and could see the end of the probe pushing against the lining of the chest cavity (the pleura). Finck even turned to Sibert and O'Neill and informed them that the back wound had no exit point. We also now know that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about a bullet exiting the throat. 

Lone-gunman theorists can deny these inconvenient facts, but that won't make them go away. The SBT is a silly myth that was hastily cooked up after the WC could no longer deny that a bullet had missed and had landed near James Tague. 

[Michael Kalin]

On 11/16/2022 at 3:24 PM, Bill Brown said:

From the Jack Myers article, linked by DiEugenio...

 

Approximately 1:04 p.m.

Several blocks east of Top 10 and the Texas Theater, an unknown young white male about 5’8” to 5’10” and 165 pounds wearing a white shirt and light tan Eisenhower jacket begins to quickly walk west on East 10^th Street. The man is in such a hurry that he catches the attention of those inside of Clark’s Barber Shop at 620 E. 10^th as he breezes by that establishment’s storefront window. A pedestrian, Mr. William Lawrence Smith, passes the same man as Smith walks east to lunch at the Town & Country Café just a few doors west of the barber shop. (John Armstrong, Harvey and Lee, p. 841)

 

The Clark's Barber Shop sighting, according to those inside, took place that morning; NOT after 1 pm.

 

Strike two on the Jack Myers article.

Bricklayer foreman William Lawrence ("Red") Smith while walking east on 10th toward Marsalis passed a pedestrian who resembled Oswald heading west a few minutes before the Tippit murder took place. Another bricklayer, George Chapman, heard the shots and retrieved Smith from the diner where he was eating lunch east of Marsalis. Both returned to the work site at 500 E. 10th in time to see Tippit's body being loaded into the ambulance.

Ten minutes would be a brisk estimate of the interval of elapsed time for these events (longer if Red decided to finish his lunch): 1) the shots; 2) a gathering of bricklayers at 500 E. 10th; 3) Chapman's decision to fetch the boss; 4) Chapman's walk to 604 E. 10th; 5) inform the boss what had happened; 6) settling the tab; and 7) both walking back to 500 E. 10th.

Dale Myers mentions the passing incident without pursuing the implications. No surprise. They are fatal to his timeline.

So forget about strike two. The batter was hit by a pitch!

Inexplicably Joseph McBride's Into the Nightmare mentions three other bricklayers (Holmes, Kinneth & Austin) who had very little to say, but omits both Smith & Chapman. Go figure.

[Pat Speer]

44 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

Obviously, Humes and Boswell were lying. We now know that they both knew for an absolute observed fact that the back wound was a shallow wound with no exit point. They probed it extensively and could see the end of the probe pushing against the lining of the chest cavity (the pleura). Finck even turned to Sibert and O'Neill and informed them that the back wound had no exit point. We also now know that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about a bullet exiting the throat. 

Lone-gunman theorists can deny these inconvenient facts, but that won't make them go away. The SBT is a silly myth that was hastily cooked up after the WC could no longer deny that a bullet had missed and had landed near James Tague. 

Slight correction. The SBT was created as a response to the WC staff's study of the Zapruder film, which showed Kennedy and Connally respond too close together in time to have been hit by separate shots fired from a bolt-action rifle. Although Tague was mentioned in an early FBI report, the WC was gonna ignore him until they couldn't. The SBT was developed in March, proposed in April, and tested on May 24...while the first article on Tague didn't appear until June 5. He was then interviewed, on July 23, long after the chapters on the shooting had been completed and approved. (The interviews of witnesses like Zapruder, Altgens, Willis, and Tague and experts like Zahm and Gallagher were just window dressing. They were interviewed because the WC wanted to claim these men were questioned, or consulted, when the WC had already signed off on the single-shooter solution months before.)

[Michael Griffith]

On 11/18/2022 at 11:49 AM, Pat Speer said:

The SBT was created as a response to the WC staff's study of the Zapruder film, which showed Kennedy and Connally respond too close together in time to have been hit by separate shots fired from a bolt-action rifle. 

That was a curious conclusion by the WC staff. The HSCA's photographic evidence panel correctly concluded that Kennedy was hit between Z188 and Z190. The panel noted JFK's cheeks puff at Z188, and that a fraction of a second later, at around Z200, his right hand abruptly stops in the middle of wave, and his head starts to rapidly turn from the right toward his wife on his left.

Connally shows no sign of having been hit until Z233 at the earliest. Connally himself, after studying enlargements of Z frames for Life magazine, identified Z234 as the moment he was hit. 

Z188 to Z234 is 46 frames or 2.51 seconds apart. But, obviously, the WC staff did not realize how early JFK was hit and assumed he was hit at around Z226.

Edited November 19, 2022 by Michael Griffith

[Pat Speer]

56 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

That was a curious conclusion by the WC staff. The HSCA's photographic evidence panel correctly concluded that Kennedy was hit between Z188 and Z190. The panel noted JFK's cheeks puff at Z188, and that a fraction of a second later, at around Z200, his right hand abruptly stops in the middle of wave, and his head starts to rapidly turn from the right toward his wife on his left.

Connally shows no sign of having been hit until Z233 at the earliest. Connally himself, after studying enlargements of Z frames for Life magazine, identified Z234 as the moment he was hit. 

Z188 to Z234 is 46 frames or 2.51 seconds apart. But, obviously, the WC staff did not realize how early JFK was hit and assumed he was hit at around Z226.

FBI memo on the April 21 conference

April 22, 1964

MEMORANDUM

TO: Mr. Conrad

FROM: W.D. Griffith

SUBJECT: Assassination of President Kennedy

Request of the President's Commission

At the request of the President's Commission, Inspector J.R. Malley of the General Investigation Division, Inspector L.J. Gauthier of the Administrative Division and Special Agent Lyndal L. Shaneyfelt of the Laboratory on 4/21/64 were at the Commission for a review of the Zapruder film of the assassination. Purpose of this review was to determine from Governor and Mrs. John Connally, who were present, whether or not it could be established at what point in the film the Governor was shot. The following individuals were also present:

Dr. Gregory and Dr. Shaw who examined Governor Connally at Parkland Hospital in Dallas

Dr. F.W. Light, Jr. and Dr. A.G. Olivier from the Wound Assessment and Wound Ballistics Department of Edgewood Arsenal

Dr. Joseph Dolce, consultant to the Biophysics Division of Edgewood Arsenal

It is noted that representatives of the Secret Service who have attended past reviews were not present.

The principal fact brought out by the Governor and Mrs. Connally was their selection of a portion of the film where "he has been hit"; however, they could not pin point the exact frame of the motion picture film where the bullet struck. The portion of the sequence they selected is only one-fourth to one-half second after the approximate point where the President was believed to have been shot at the base of the neck. Allowing for variations in reaction times, this lends support to the theory that one bullet passed through the President's neck, the Governor's chest, hit in the Governor's leg, and lodged in his clothing.

Both the Governor and Mrs. Connally stated that they heard the first shot and the second shot was the one that hit the Governor, however, neither of them saw the President between the first and third shots or can state that the President was actually hit by the first shot.

RECOMMENDATION: None. For information only.

[Michael Griffith]

10 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

FBI memo on the April 21 conference

April 22, 1964

MEMORANDUM

TO: Mr. Conrad

FROM: W.D. Griffith

SUBJECT: Assassination of President Kennedy

Request of the President's Commission

At the request of the President's Commission, Inspector J.R. Malley of the General Investigation Division, Inspector L.J. Gauthier of the Administrative Division and Special Agent Lyndal L. Shaneyfelt of the Laboratory on 4/21/64 were at the Commission for a review of the Zapruder film of the assassination. Purpose of this review was to determine from Governor and Mrs. John Connally, who were present, whether or not it could be established at what point in the film the Governor was shot. The following individuals were also present:

Dr. Gregory and Dr. Shaw who examined Governor Connally at Parkland Hospital in Dallas

Dr. F.W. Light, Jr. and Dr. A.G. Olivier from the Wound Assessment and Wound Ballistics Department of Edgewood Arsenal

Dr. Joseph Dolce, consultant to the Biophysics Division of Edgewood Arsenal

It is noted that representatives of the Secret Service who have attended past reviews were not present.

The principal fact brought out by the Governor and Mrs. Connally was their selection of a portion of the film where "he has been hit"; however, they could not pin point the exact frame of the motion picture film where the bullet struck. The portion of the sequence they selected is only one-fourth to one-half second after the approximate point where the President was believed to have been shot at the base of the neck. Allowing for variations in reaction times, this lends support to the theory that one bullet passed through the President's neck, the Governor's chest, hit in the Governor's leg, and lodged in his clothing.

Both the Governor and Mrs. Connally stated that they heard the first shot and the second shot was the one that hit the Governor, however, neither of them saw the President between the first and third shots or can state that the President was actually hit by the first shot.

RECOMMENDATION: None. For information only.

Yes, this does suggest that these reviewers concluded that JFK was hit at Z226-228, when he is visibly knocked forward (Z226-232), since Connally shows no visible reactions until Z236-238, and since Shaw and Gregory both opined that Connally was hit between Z234 and Z238. So that makes sense, IF you ignore JFK's reactions in Z186-207.

And that's the rub. The Z film clearly indicates that JFK was hit twice before his head was hit, the first hit occurring at around Z186 and the second hit occurring at around Z224. We see visible reactions to the Z186 hit in Z188-Z207 and visible reactions to the Z224 hit in Z226-232. The Z186 hit was the throat wound, and Z226 was the back wound.

We also need to keep in mind that when WC staffer Melvin Eisenberg held a conference with the autopsy doctors on April 14, 1964, to view the Zapruder film and to determine the order of the bullet hits, all three doctors insisted that Connally was hit by two bullets because they said CE 399 could not have shattered Connally’s wrist bone without suffering significant deformity (a fact that the WC’s own ballistics tests later confirmed).

And, as McKnight notes,

       In an aside to Inspector Thomas Kelley, the Secret Service’s liaison with the Commission, one of the staff lawyers offered as “an outside possibility” that the first shot might have gone through JFK with sufficient velocity “to penetrate Connally’s body, wrist, and leg.” Kelley later confided to the FBI’s L.T. Gauthier that the idea was “ridiculous”. . . . (Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why, University Press of Kansas, 2005, p. 221)

[Pat Speer]

6 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

Yes, this does suggest that these reviewers concluded that JFK was hit at Z226-228, when he is visibly knocked forward (Z226-232), since Connally shows no visible reactions until Z236-238, and since Shaw and Gregory both opined that Connally was hit between Z234 and Z238. So that makes sense, IF you ignore JFK's reactions in Z186-207.

And that's the rub. The Z film clearly indicates that JFK was hit twice before his head was hit, the first hit occurring at around Z186 and the second hit occurring at around Z224. We see visible reactions to the Z186 hit in Z188-Z207 and visible reactions to the Z224 hit in Z226-232. The Z186 hit was the throat wound, and Z226 was the back wound.

We also need to keep in mind that when WC staffer Melvin Eisenberg held a conference with the autopsy doctors on April 14, 1964, to view the Zapruder film and to determine the order of the bullet hits, all three doctors insisted that Connally was hit by two bullets because they said CE 399 could not have shattered Connally’s wrist bone without suffering significant deformity (a fact that the WC’s own ballistics tests later confirmed).

And, as McKnight notes,

       In an aside to Inspector Thomas Kelley, the Secret Service’s liaison with the Commission, one of the staff lawyers offered as “an outside possibility” that the first shot might have gone through JFK with sufficient velocity “to penetrate Connally’s body, wrist, and leg.” Kelley later confided to the FBI’s L.T. Gauthier that the idea was “ridiculous”. . . . (Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why, University Press of Kansas, 2005, p. 221)

All of this is covered on my website. It can be summed up as follows.

The FBI and SS realized early on that Kennedy and Connally were hit quite close together, and that this was a problem for the single assassin firing an M/C rifle solution.

So they pretended Connally was hit seconds after JFK, and that the head shot occurred further down the road than its actual location. This spaced out the shots so they could continue to claim it was all LHO.

When the WC staff came along to double-check their work, however, they realized this charade would not stand the test of time. JBC was not shot seconds after JFK...and the head shot did not occur further down the road than seemed obvious. 

They then held conference after conference and a re-enactment on May 24, and ended up proposing and accepting the SBT. To pull this off, Specter engaged in some mischief of his own.

In order to make JFK's and JBC's wounds line up, he went with the the neck wound location presented in the Rydberg drawings, when he knew it was inaccurate, and pretended JBC was further to the left in the car. And he suborned false testimony to support these deceptions.  

[Steve Roe]

58 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

In order to make JFK's and JBC's wounds line up, he went with the the neck wound location presented in the Rydberg drawings, when he knew it was inaccurate, and pretended JBC was further to the left in the car. And he suborned false testimony to support these deceptions.  

Which brings me to two questions Pat.

1. How did a bullet Zig-Zag around the President, hitting the Governor sitting in the lower jump seat? Was that a magic bullet? Dr. Shaw said the Governor's wound path was on a downward trajectory. So where did that bullet come from? 

2. What you are suggesting is two different hits, ergo two different bullets. So where are your two bullets? Where did they go? 

[Pat Speer]

1 hour ago, Steve Roe said:

Which brings me to two questions Pat.

1. How did a bullet Zig-Zag around the President, hitting the Governor sitting in the lower jump seat? Was that a magic bullet? Dr. Shaw said the Governor's wound path was on a downward trajectory. So where did that bullet come from? 

2. What you are suggesting is two different hits, ergo two different bullets. So where are your two bullets? Where did they go? 

1. The WC's re-enactment proved that a shot fired from the TSBD or Dal-Tex and just missing the president's head would have hit Connally in the armpit. 

2. Bullets are not always found at a crime scene. Connally's cufflink was never found, and roughly half of the exploded bullet was never found, so we know that possibility exists. We can also suspect JFK's back wound was created by CE 399, which had been undercharged for silencing purposes.