Jefferson Morley on JFK Documents: CIA Caught Changing Oswald Story

[Douglas Caddy]

 

 

[Douglas Caddy]

This is a Breaking Points show posted on YouTube today.

[Gerry Down]

Jeff Morleys profile has really been building up lately. He is now arguably the front and center JFK assassination researcher, at least in so far as his appearances before the media are concerned. 

[Benjamin Cole]

Breaking Points is rare breath of fresh air in the stale machine party politics media environment that defines DC. 

 

[Michael Griffith]

Just a suggestion: When you post a video link, it would be helpful if you would provide a short summary of the video that presents at least some of the video's main/most important points.

[Jeff Carter]

Jeff Morley interviewed for Counterpunch on his new Watergate related book, plus some JFK content.

Interesting observation:

" I am struck by how many hard-right conservatives subscribe to JFK Facts, which is just a reflection of a large phenomenon that many have noted. Skepticism of the CIA and FBI, once a mainstay of the liberal left, has become a strain of hard-right conservativism, while the Democrats have become more sympathetic to the FBI and CIA, perceiving them as institutional enemies of Trump’s authoritarianism."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/01/10/an-interview-with-jefferson-morley-on-the-cia-nixon-and-the-assassination-of-jfk/

[Cliff Varnell]

2 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

Jeff Morley interviewed for Counterpunch on his new Watergate related book, plus some JFK content.

Interesting observation:

" I am struck by how many hard-right conservatives subscribe to JFK Facts, which is just a reflection of a large phenomenon that many have noted. Skepticism of the CIA and FBI, once a mainstay of the liberal left, has become a strain of hard-right conservativism, while the Democrats have become more sympathetic to the FBI and CIA, perceiving them as institutional enemies of Trump’s authoritarianism."

Recent skepticism of the FBI from the left peaked when James Comey reopened the Hillary e-mail investigation 11 days before the 2016 election.

The CIA was sitting on the Steele Dossier at that time, and if they had wanted to flood the cable news cycles with the pee tape they were certainly capable.

Trump enjoyed a very short honeymoon with the FBI and CIA because he quickly hired Michael Flynn as National Security Advisor, sending off alarm bells thru the National Security State.

All Institutions are subject to subversion by Trumpism, which demands unfaltering loyalty to the man, not the country.

 

2 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/01/10/an-interview-with-jefferson-morley-on-the-cia-nixon-and-the-assassination-of-jfk/

 

[Matthew Koch]

10 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

Jeff Morley interviewed for Counterpunch on his new Watergate related book, plus some JFK content.

Interesting observation:

" I am struck by how many hard-right conservatives subscribe to JFK Facts, which is just a reflection of a large phenomenon that many have noted. Skepticism of the CIA and FBI, once a mainstay of the liberal left, has become a strain of hard-right conservativism, while the Democrats have become more sympathetic to the FBI and CIA, perceiving them as institutional enemies of Trump’s authoritarianism."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/01/10/an-interview-with-jefferson-morley-on-the-cia-nixon-and-the-assassination-of-jfk/

It's because the Overton window has shifted to the left the Left subscribes to identity politics that are basically socialist. JFK has a lot more in common with modern conservatives than modern democrats.

[James DiEugenio]

The Overton Window has shifted left?

Did I miss something?

JFK would have more in common with Ted Cruz and JIm Jordan than he would with say Pelosi?

At the time of his death, Kennedy was trying to bring back Medicare for a second vote, and he would have succeeded by all indications.  In fact, he was organizing a vote the day before he died. He was also talking about that being a first step toward Universal Health Care. He was also pushing his Civil Rights Bill through, after facing down Wallace at Alabama--with 3500 troops under Abrams on hand.

I am sure you are aware that Jordan wants to stop a debt expansion vote since he wants to put Social Security and Medicare on the cutting block.

In JFK's time there was both a moderate and liberal wing to the GOP.  Those have both disappeared due to Buckley, Reagan and Gingrich.  JFK both hated and feared the far right, signified by Goldwater at that time.  But people like Jordan and Goetz have surpassed  Goldwater going right.

JFK would have not gone within ten feet of these guys.

 

[Paul Brancato]

16 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

The Overton Window has shifted left?

Did I miss something?

JFK would have more in common with Ted Cruz and JIm Jordan than he would with say Pelosi?

At the time of his death, Kennedy was trying to bring back Medicare for a second vote, and he would have succeeded by all indications.  In fact, he was organizing a vote the day before he died. He was also talking about that being a first step toward Universal Health Care. He was also pushing his Civil Rights Bill through, after facing down Wallace at Alabama--with 3500 troops under Abrams on hand.

I am sure you are aware that Jordan wants to stop a debt expansion vote since he wants to put Social Security and Medicare on the cutting block.

In JFK's time there was both a moderate and liberal wing to the GOP.  Those have both disappeared due to Buckley, Reagan and Gingrich.  JFK both hated and feared the far right, signified by Goldwater at that time.  But people like Jordan and Goetz have surpassed  Goldwater going right.

JFK would have not gone within ten feet of these guys.

 

Matt - What are identity politics, and how are they socialist? 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Paul Brancato

[Guest]

The Overton window has shifted left, not just in the USA but, in many parts of Europe too. If both parties move in the same direction at the same time, nobody perceives the change. Likewise if the shift is incremental, nobody notices. That is not to say that there are not the characters on the right today that could easily be a Le May, Nixon, etc etc. 

[James DiEugenio]

My understanding of Overton Window is that it frames the channel of ideas in discourse and how that impacts politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

I don't know what you guys watch or listen to but the so called political debate has now gotten more and more restrictive , not broader.

We have a guy as president who voted for the Iraq War, but yet wants to convey the idea he did not.  In fact, Biden was talking up a war years before the invasion.  The Democratic candidate before him also voted for the Iraq War. That war, IMO, was the biggest American foreign policy catastrophe since Vietnam. Bernie Sanders did not vote for it.. And the whole Democratic power structure turned against him and for Biden when it looked like Sanders might win.

Where was the Overton Window shift with Sanders?  Where was the Overton Shift with Iraq?

Now once Obama won, he installs HRC as Secretary of State, one of the true debacles in recent history.  Her, RIce and Power, the three witches, convince Obama to invade Libya using NATO.  How does one invade North Africa using NATO?  This turned out to be a first class disaster. 

Where was the Overton window shift there?

What about Syria?  Obama brags, hey I did not listen to the three witches this time.  But secretly he did by launching TImber Sycamore, a 1.6 billion CIA covert action against Assad. This was another major debacle that almost installed Al Qaeda in Syria.  True craziness.

Where was the Overton window there?

The three main networks, and the four major newspapers--NY TImes, Wall Street Journal, LA TImes and W Post--have not shifted. And they have a great reach since they have now sunk their talons into the web. 

But beyond that, look at Google, and how they tilt searches and ghost certain sites. Look at Bezos, Amazon and the CIA.  Look at Wikipedia and the JFK assassination.

So I am sorry but I do not buy this Overton Shift.

And I was always more favorable to the Hallin's circles theory.

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by James DiEugenio

[Benjamin Cole]

51 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

My understanding of Overton Window is that it frames the channel of ideas in discourse and how that impacts politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

I don't know what you guys watch or listen to but the so called political debate has now gotten more and more restrictive , not broader.

We have a guy as president who voted for the Iraq War, but yet wants to convey the idea he did not.  In fact, Biden was talking up a war years before the invasion.  The Democratic candidate before him also voted for the Iraq War. That war, IMO, was the biggest American foreign policy catastrophe since Vietnam. Bernie Sanders did not vote for it.. And the whole Democratic power structure turned against him and for Biden when it looked like Sanders might win.

Where was the Overton Window shift with Sanders?  Where was the Overton Shift with Iraq?

Now once Obama won, he installs HRC as Secretary of State, one of the true debacles in recent history.  Her, RIce and Power, the three witches, convince Obama to invade Libya using NATO.  How does one invade North Africa using NATO?  This turned out to be a first class disaster. 

Where was the Overton window shift there?

What about Syria?  Obama brags, hey I did not listen to the three witches this time.  But secretly he did by launching TImber Sycamore, a 1.6 billion CIA covert action against Assad. This was another major debacle that almost installed Al Qaeda in Syria.  True craziness.

Where was the Overton window there?

The three main networks, and the four major newspapers--NY TImes, Wall Street Journal, LA TImes and W Post--have not shifted. And they have a great reach since they have now sunk their talons into the web. 

But beyond that, look at Google, and how they tilt searches and ghost certain sites. Look at Bezos, Amazon and the CIA.  Look at Wikipedia and the JFK assassination.

So I am sorry but I do not buy this Overton Shift.

And I was always more favorable to the Hallin's circles theory.

 

Amen.

There is only one party when it comes to militarism and globalism. 

 

[Matthew Koch]

The simplest way to understand the Overton Window IMO is; what is considered socially acceptable to discuss in public. The kind of Overton Window shift to the left I am referring to happened with the Millennial generation and later where communistic Chompskite ideas (Capitalist Hegemonic Structural Colonial Racism) were taught at the college level and started the new recent PC left identity politics trend which is now called Wokism on the right today, that used to be called "Liberation theology" in the 70's. 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/jfks-profiles-in-courage-has-a-racism-problem-what-should-we-do-about-it

[James DiEugenio]

The Neocons run both parties.