John Cotter Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: Get your vision checked, dude. You may need some readers. 🙄 Also, regarding my alleged "Russophobia," here's a Russian Orthodox chant that I recorded in four part harmony back in 2000, at a time when a number of Americans in my ROCOR parish abruptly left the church. I chanted the Russian services for roughly a decade-- part of my Russophobia. This is the Velichi Dusha Moya Gospoda-- i.e., the "Magnificat." https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14552828 Yes, William, and I suppose some of your best friends are Russian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Chris Barnard said: @Kirk Gallaway @Matt Allison @W. Niederhut What could be more enlightened and humane than feeding the meat grinder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, John Cotter said: Yes, William, and I suppose some of your best friends are Russian. How about my former Russian priest and confessor? My former Russian bishop and archbishop? How about yourself? Have you ever been to Russia, John? You seem to know so little about it. Have you ever attended a Russian Orthodox wedding, vigil or liturgy? Have you known any Russians during the past quarter century? My old Russian Orthodox parish here used to be comprised of (White) Russian emigre families--mostly second and third generation-- and a number of American converts, like myself. We all got along famously, and we always chanted services in both Russian and English in the old days (about 50-50) before Putin seized the ROCOR in 2007, declaring that, "Religion is one of Russia's most important weapons of self-defense!" It was one of the strangest comments I had ever heard. The Russian Orthodox Church was to serve as a "weapon of self-defense?" Against what, exactly? And the neo-Soviet Putinists, apparently, didn't want any Americans in the parish. No enemies allowed. That was when I first realized that Putin's Russian Federation was devolving into a fascist police state that had no real interest in positive, convivial relations with Western Europeans and the U.S. Former KGB Lt. Col. Putin has, appardntly, always viewed Western democracies as enemies--adversaries. He's stuck in his Stalinist KGB past, when ran agents in Dresden. Edited February 20, 2023 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 7 hours ago, John Cotter said: What could be more enlightened and humane than feeding the meat grinder? Obviously, the military industrial complex are the good guys this time, suddenly virtuous and compassionate. Even with them being a mechanism of war profiteering for many decades, this time its different, they care about Ukrainian democracy and liberty. Never mind Iraq, the leopards have changed their spots. I guess this is that perpetual state of progress that they’re always talking about on the news. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 For the foggy minded cheerleaders of war; you didn’t believe in the ‘domino effect’ concerning Vietnam. Concerning Ukraine it’s totally valid, apparently?! How’s that ‘cognitive dissonance’ working for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 The Western News: Russia is losing the war, they have outdated weapons. They are going to collapse any day. The Western News: Russia is going to take over the whole of Europe like Hitler. The Western News: Russia is going to run out of bullets any day. Facing defeat. The Western News: Sanctions will destroy Russia’s economy and cause collapse. The Western News: Russia’s economy outgrowing Britain and Germany, doing surprisingly well trading with the east. The Western News: Ukraine almost out of bullets, we need to send more tax payers money to the defence contractors, Ukraine needs us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/19/2023 at 12:05 AM, Chris Barnard said: @W. Niederhut could you please outline your plan to stop the war/killing and what you would be prepared to concede to achieve that goal? Or, are you comfortable for this to continue escalating? Again.... Is this beyond your mental capacity or, are you not answering because it will reveal that your views are disingenuous? I look forward to your reply. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 12 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: How about my former Russian priest and confessor? My former Russian bishop and archbishop? How about yourself? Have you ever been to Russia, John? You seem to know so little about it. Have you ever attended a Russian Orthodox wedding, vigil or liturgy? Have you known any Russians during the past quarter century? My old Russian Orthodox parish here used to be comprised of (White) Russian emigre families--mostly second and third generation-- and a number of American converts, like myself. We all got along famously, and we always chanted services in both Russian and English in the old days (about 50-50) before Putin seized the ROCOR in 2007, declaring that, "Religion is one of Russia's most important weapons of self-defense!" It was one of the strangest comments I had ever heard. The Russian Orthodox Church was to serve as a "weapon of self-defense?" Against what, exactly? And the neo-Soviet Putinists, apparently, didn't want any Americans in the parish. No enemies allowed. That was when I first realized that Putin's Russian Federation was devolving into a fascist police state that had no real interest in positive, convivial relations with Western Europeans and the U.S. Former KGB Lt. Col. Putin has, appardntly, always viewed Western democracies as enemies--adversaries. He's stuck in his Stalinist KGB past, when ran agents in Dresden. William, You completely missed the point of my “I suppose some of your best friends are Russian” comment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_not_racist,_I_have_black_friends I’ve never been to Russia and I know only one Russian. So what? I have been to the USA and I have a US brother-in-law and a US niece and nephew. So what? There was a well-known American singer songwriter based in Ireland, Thom Moore, who wrote some lovely songs in the folk idiom. In view of his biography, I always suspected he worked for some US intelligence agency, and I was quite surprised when two well-known broadcasters on Irish national radio not known for any radical leanings asked Moore on two separate occasions whether he was a CIA agent. As far as I can recall, he fudged the answer. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tributes-paid-to-singer-songwriter-thom-moore-1.3432915 Similarly in your case, William, the questions arise as to what your connection to Russia is and whether you are some kind of US intelligence agent or asset. Could you answer these questions please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, John Cotter said: William, You completely missed the point of my “I suppose some of your best friends are Russian” comment. Similarly in your case, William, the questions arise as to what your connection to Russia is and whether you are some kind of US intelligence agent or asset. Could you answer these questions please? John, I understood your "best friends" sarcasm perfectly well. It's an old adage in the U.S. But my response sailed over your head. You still don't seem to understand my history in the Russian Orthodox Church. Here's another one of my favorite Russian Orthodox chants-- the Smolensk Izhe Keruvimi-- which I probably chanted at Russian Orthodox liturgies more than 300 times over the years. It begins as a monophonic Znameny style chant, then morphs into quite harmonious polyphony. https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14553230 Meanwhile, your question about whether I'm a U.S. intelligence asset is highly amusing to me. I have always been a progressive, liberal Democrat, and I remain convinced that I some how ended up on Bush & Cheney's "No Fly" list after 9/11. (The police pulled me out of a long line of passengers at the Cancun Airport in January of 2002 after scanning my passport-- frightening my wife and daughters.) I think I got flagged by the U.S. security establishment for my involvement in a movement to free Nelson Mandela in college, and/or subscribing to a socialist newspaper. Edited February 20, 2023 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: John, I understood your "best friends" sarcasm perfectly well. It's an old adage in the U.S. But my response sailed over your head. You still don't seem to understand my history in the Russian Orthodox Church. Meanwhile, your question about whether I'm a U.S. intelligence asset is highly amusing to me. I have always been a progressive, liberal Democrat, and I remain convinced that I some how ended up on Bush & Cheney's "No Fly" list after 9/11. (The police pulled me out of a long line of passengers at the Cancun Airport in January of 2002 after scanning my passport-- frightening my wife and daughters.) I think I got flagged by the U.S. security establishment for my involvement in a movement to free Nelson Mandela in college, and/or subscribing to a socialist newspaper. William, You haven't answered either of my questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, John Cotter said: William, You haven't answered either of my questions. I answered both of your questions, John. Go back and re-read my answers. Meanwhile, you didn't even listen to my recording of the Smolensk Izhe Keruvimi. https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14553230 Do you really think a Russophobe could sing that in four-part harmony? In truth, I want nothing but the best for Russia, and for Ukraine. That is why I am so disappointed with Putin. There was a time when I admired the man, prior to 2007. See if you can figure that one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: I answered both of your questions, John. Go back and re-read my answers. Meanwhile, you didn't even listen to my recording of the Smolensk Izhe Keruvimi. https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14553230 Do you really think a Russophobe could sing that in four-part harmony? In truth, I want nothing but the best for Russia, and for Ukraine. That is why I am so disappointed with Putin. There was a time when I admired the man, prior to 2007. See if you can figure that one out. 1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said: I answered both of your questions, John. Go back and re-read my answers. Meanwhile, you didn't even listen to my recording of the Smolensk Izhe Keruvimi. https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14553230 Do you really think a Russophobe could sing that in four-part harmony? In truth, I want nothing but the best for Russia, and for Ukraine. That is why I am so disappointed with Putin. There was a time when I admired the man, prior to 2007. See if you can figure that one out. Since you've still not answered either of my questions, William, I have to conclude that you're some kind of US intelligence agent or asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, John Cotter said: Since you've still not answered either of my questions, William, I have to conclude that you're some kind of US intelligence agent or asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, John Cotter said: Since you've still not answered either of my questions, William, I have to conclude that you're some kind of US intelligence agent or asset. John, with all due respect, I think using William's name and 'intelligence' in the same sentence may be highly inappropriate. He is nothing short of embarrassing in this thread. He can't even answer simple questions. I know a lot of highly intelligent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Chris Barnard said: John, with all due respect, I think using William's name and 'intelligence' in the same sentence may be highly inappropriate. He is nothing short of embarrassing in this thread. He can't even answer simple questions. I know a lot of highly intelligent people. I think William could learn a lot from Blackadder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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