Lee Harvey Oswald's Cries for Help

[David Josephs]

3 hours ago, Charles Blackmon said:

So do you think Oswald could have been part of an 'Abort' team sent in to stop the assassination? There was some mention of this on the film Frame 313. I don't recall the name of the person they interviewed who said he was on this team. 

No I don't Charles...  as I don't see any actions by the man in that direction at all.  I have not seen the film you mention, what would have been his role to help stop the assassination?

I always wondered what would have happened in history if they had killed JFK in Chicago and we had Arthur Vallee instead of Lee Oswald... or in Tampa (I'm sorry but I forget the patsy's name there)

Lee, it seems to me, was being played so that he could improve his bona fides in the cuban community to better infiltrate the groups he needed to for the FBI. Yet at the same time these activities also made him the perfect Patsy for the murder in Dallas...  and no, he did not go to Mexico, that was the CIA putting the screws to Hoover so he'd play along like a good boy... even if he did wear a dress.

Does Josh Plumlee figure prominently in that film as I understood an "abort" plan was part of his story.

There's also the story that the assassination would be an exercise to test the responsiveness of the Secret Service but was turned into a real murder to the surprise of the few who were in the know... there are tons of scenario possibilities, yet they all end with the FBI/DPD having you look over here while the real guilty parties left through the back door.  Arlen Specter a Senator... please.

On the whole, we don't really know what Oswald knew or what he was doing and for whom...  the way he played both sides of the cuban situation and his involvement with Bannister suggests to me he was on assignment... The OSWALD PROJECT ala Wilcott.  You get some cuban sympathizer's names if you have people show up for a FPCC meeting... and he may have even been doing his "job" within the TSBD...  the hints and clues are there but they remain fuzzy and out of focus.

So instead of trying to figure all that out I chose to focus my time and effort on illustrating to as many who will hear it that the Evidence is the only key we have to the conspiracy...  the more you get to know the evidence the more you see what they did.

FWIW...

[Benjamin Cole]

46 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

It means, when the ears are exposed to a sound above 120dB the result is massive ringing in the ears and short term deafness...

A rifle the likes of the Carcano produces 150dB at the muzzle and less of course as you move away from it...

Being 10 feet below the muzzle and inches from the open windows these three men would have been deaf with intense ringing in the ears after the first shot, let alone 2 more...  they lied about what they heard.

Not sure how much you know about the goings on at the TSBD and the running of weapons thru its doors...  

I have been doing this a long time Ben...  My focus has always been the visual evidentiary record and to take the time to research a subject as fully as I can before I open my mouth or write posts.  So many researchers live on an island of their choosing by focusing on a single aspect of the case without fully appreciating the interconnectivity of it all...  No Truly was not part of the JFKA but one has to wonder why he singled out Oswald as the only person who left when that was blatantly not true...

Of why the first day affidavits become a completely different story when testimony time rolled around... Oswald was alive when the affidavits were written, dead during the testimony... with no one to present opposing thoughts or cross examination.

And no, Euins wasn't in on it... but if you can honestly say you don't see how the Secret Service was involved there is little I can do but ask you to do some research... same goes for certain members of the DPD and Sheriff's department...  everyone was not needed to accomplish what was accomplished... it happened and the traces of the cover-up and conspiracy is etched into 26 volumes, 1555 WCDocuments, and evidence at the archives and personal collections which no one has gotten to see.

Putting it plainly... the Evidence IS the Conspiracy... iow, what we are left to study will NEVER illustrate what happened that day... but it does tell the story of how the president's murder was poorly investigated with a 100% slant towards finding Oswald guilty regardless the cost... just ask Abe Bolden, or Ralph Yarborough...

CE399 only comes into existence in the office of Rowley
It is the SS who takes the body from its lawful place to remove the "best evidence" from prying eyes.

Ever hear of Floyd Boring?  Look him up... and maybe ask Vince Palamara if the SS was involved or not.

At DPD we had WESTBROOK, CROY, FRITZ and a handful of men under WESTBROOK in the personnel department worming their way into every incriminating scenario that day... the chief of personnel Ben... with a story so full of BS it drips as you read it.

And a good humble opinion at that... you seem very thoughtful and serious about the case and truly interested in digging deeper.  Compartmentalization my friend...

There really weren't as many people directly involved as everyone makes it out to be... Oswald was the one and only suspect, don't you find it just a little strange that every single item of evidence incriminates Oswald with virtually no exceptions?  That is until you actually look at what the FBI is saying and doing a bit more closely... and little by little it falls apart... why do you suppose there are millions of pages of evidence?

Blaming Oswald only takes a little faith, learning the truth takes a lifetime of dedicated work and analysis... and still the general public fells and knows there was something rotten in Denmark... well, actually Switzerland...

60 years later and we only have shadowy ideas about who was shooting from the front...  but does it really matter who when the resulting world situation changed so drastically against the pursuit of Peace and Freedom?  Howard Zinn comes to mind.

I'm guilty of dealing with the minutia.  I deal with the minutia because the major themes in this assassination are so mentally devastating they are hard to discuss... the way it happened should scare the #$% out of any reasonable thinking person...  but the minutia is both the trap and the escape.. expressed no better than these 2 paragraphs from Salandria many, many years ago...  I'm terribly sorry that I come off so heavy handed... to misunderstand what really happened that day is to turn one's back on the last 58 years of history, and the 4000 years of human intellectual existence before that.  The rulers, rich, and/or powerful want to stay that way and then some, regardless the cost... that is the human condition... in my humble opinion...

            "I'm afraid we were misled," Salandria said sadly.  "All the critics, myself included, were misled very early.  I see that now.  We spent too much time and effort micro-analyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy.  Don't you think that the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way?  They chose not to.  Instead, they picked the shooting gallery that was Dealey Plaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner.  The cover story was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny.  The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear:  'We are in control and no one -- not the President, nor Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.'  It was a message to the people that their government was powerless.  And the people eventually got the message.  Consider what has happened since the Kennedy assassination.  People see government today as unresponsive to their needs, yet the budget and power of the military and intelligence establishment have increased tremendously.

            "The tyranny of power is here.  Current events tell us that those who killed Kennedy can only perpetuate their power by promoting social upheaval both at home and abroad.  And that will lead not to revolution but to repression.  I suggest to you, my friend, that the interests of those who killed Kennedy now transcend national boundaries and national priorities.  No doubt we are dealing now with an international conspiracy.  We must face that fact -- and not waste any more time micro-analyzing the evidence.  That's exactly what they want us to do.  They have kept us busy for so long.  And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you.  They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you down."
 

  

Well, the good news is we agree on a lot. 

My pet theory is the biography build was being done on LHO so that he could participate in a false flag op to be blamed on Castro. Perhaps LHO fulfilled his role, and shot at the President and missed. 

Others piggybacked on the op, and shot for real.

LHO logically deduced he was the patsy, and went home and got his revolver, and went to the movie theater, for total lack of options.  Who knows what happened to Tippit. I cannot make heads or tails of it, though I suspect the LHO wallet was planted there. 

I admire your work, but I also have been looking at the JFKA on and off since 1963, more since I semi-retired 10 years ago and started internet-scrolling. 

Amos Euins' testimony, and that of other earnest witnesses, has convinced me shots were fired from the TSBD, the sixth floor. Actually, witnesses all the way down to the second floor inside the TSBD recall hearing "cannon" shots. Although one lady on the second floor said she heard nothing, while another said it sounded like a cannon. Funny world.  

I plan a post on what witnesses inside the TSBD heard that day, if I ever get around to it. There is also the mysterious locked door on the second floor, into which rifles were transported only a few days earlier. I wrote about that here already, I hope you saw it. 

As to Salandria's point, perhaps so. Was there a high-level organized coup on 11/22? Or was it a Miami-CIA-Cuban job, that higher-ups knew they had to cover up for bureaucratic survival?

Did the Miami gang do it, with unspoken tacit nod from CIA HQ?

Anyway, let us hope reasonable people can differ without animosity. 

Ponder this: Very smart and earnest researchers  believe believe JFK was shot from the front, while other CT'ers, equally smart and earnest, believe in multiple shots from behind. I am agnostic, and I am exasperated every day that people do not concentrate on the timing of shots, and that JBC said he was pushed forward by the bullet that struck him. He is pushed forward about Z295. Do the math. Z313 is when JFK is indisputably struck. 

Actually, I wonder how JFK was shot in the throat, considering the windshield. Yes, I know there were reports of holes in the windshield. 

Great minds do not always think alike. 

 

 

[Charles Blackmon]

8 hours ago, David Josephs said:

 

Does Josh Plumlee figure prominently in that film as I understood an "abort" plan was part of his story.

 

It may well have been Tosh Plumlee. I have heard that name before.

Edited February 5, 2023 by Charles Blackmon
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[David Josephs]

6 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Did the Miami gang do it, with unspoken tacit nod from CIA HQ?

A thought I've nurtured all along...

The CIA was created to protect, to be the 150 lb Doberman in the public eye so that when anything goes down, the CIA is the first thing to look at... but in reality to protect the military intelligence entities which had been around much much longer: ONI and MID... Navy and Army intel who... as I see it, run all the shows.

They are the ones who can make sure everyone never says a word on threat of court-martial, they are the ones whose justice system is of their own creation.  They are the ones virtually every CIA agent passes thru first in Mil Intel.  They are the ones who loan people to the CIA yet keep their original military status (Lucien Conein for example)

ACSI :

They are the ones with all the money.... and they are the ones who planned and executed the assassination with total control over most every aspect.  the is virtually nothing they don't monitor and know about...  it is they who flew AF-1... it is they who over saw the autopsy...  And sadly, deep dow, I blieve it was they who organized and implemented the plan to remove JFK from office in favor of LBJ and a war in Vietnam with CIA at point.

Miami gang, George Joannides, seems to have had a hand in the process... but personally I don't think the CIA did much without the military ok.

6 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Great minds do not always think alike. 

agreed.

[David Josephs]

24 minutes ago, Charles Blackmon said:

It may well have been Josh Plumlee. I have heard that name before.

 

 

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These are his notes about the assassination

Statement of TOSH PLUMLEE.docx

[Bill Brown]

In my opinion, Oswald tightens and purses his lips upon hearing Chief Curry say "Okay men. Okay." To me, this is obvious. Curry was calling for an end to the press conference and Oswald was not ready for it to be over just yet.

 

Oswald was not reacting to being informed that he had indeed been charged, but was reacting to Curry ending the press conference though Oswald was enjoying the attention.

 

At the 1:58 mark, you can hear Chief Curry say "Okay men. Okay.", then a split second later, Oswald shows his disappointment.

(Thanks to David Von Pein's site for the footage)

 

 

[Bill Brown]

22 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

If there was someone else on that 6th floor besides Oswald, of course they would plan on getting out asap via the back loading dock.

They certainly wouldn't go down to the lunch room, buy a soda pop, and then continue down to the first floor and simply walk out the front door.

I mentioned earlier that for Oswald to shout he was denied legal assistance by the Dallas PD to the massive live TV press crowd with the entire world watching 24 hours after his arrest and intense interrogation was an astounding event.

Even I as a 12 year old watching this thought "isn't there something very wrong here regards Oswald's constitutional rights?"

Also, the whole frantic body against body press mob scene with all that pushing, shouting and Oswald's guard escorts shoving them out of the way like a rugby match seemed so bizarre and illogical to me and I am sure millions of other Americans.

One had to ask the obvious...

Why is the DPD allowing the very insides of their inner most offices to be over-run like that...and then parading Oswald right into and through that shouting shoving circus?

I never bought Curry's oft repeated excuse that "we wanted to show we weren't abusing Oswald physically" nonsense.

 

"If there was someone else on that 6th floor besides Oswald, of course they would plan on getting out asap via the back loading dock.

They certainly wouldn't go down to the lunch room, buy a soda pop, and then continue down to the first floor and simply walk out the front door."

 

Consider that Oswald was beginning to make his way down the stairs from the second floor to the first floor and then he heard someone coming up from the first floor.  This causes Oswald to reverse direction (having not traversed very far into the stairwell between those two floors) and, with little time to do anything else, simply made a bee line to the lunchroom.

 

In other words, I believe you're working on a false premise, i.e. Oswald was not "going down to the lunchroom".

 

Once the encounter with Baker occurred, Oswald buys the soda (he may have to explain later why he was seen in the lunch room) and decides to leave the building via the front entrance on the first floor.

 

Edited February 5, 2023 by Bill Brown

[Bill Brown]

13 hours ago, David Josephs said:

I find it especially difficult to believe that an actual firing weapon was extended out the window and fired real shots... the three men but 10 feet below this rifle where not rendered deaf, no ringing ears... with a 150dB sound not once, but 3 times... and then have the gall to claim they not only could hear but that Norman claimed to hear the bolt and shells hitting the floor...  uh, yeah... not so much.

 

Bob Jackson, Howard Brennan and Amos Euins were making up the story of seeing the weapon in the window?  At that very early point in time, i.e. pretty much right away?

 

Or...

 

A rifle was indeed stuck out that window but was never fired but instead was meant to only simulate shots?

 

[Benjamin Cole]

11 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

 

Bob Jackson, Howard Brennan and Amos Euins were making up the story of seeing the weapon in the window?  At that very early point in time, i.e. pretty much right away?

 

Or...

 

A rifle was indeed stuck out that window but was never fired but instead was meant to only simulate shots?

 

It has been posited that the rifle in the sixth floor was only a decoy...but many, many people inside the TSBD heard loud shots, all the way down to the second floor. 

So...since you have the M-C rifle doing decoy work anyway, why not fire it a few times? 

My take is LHO was firing the M-C rifle, but without effect. He was perhaps an unwitting decoy. 

IMHO, the GK shot (s) was/were a decoy too. 

If I had to guess, the real shots came from somewhere else in the TSBD, or the Dal-Tex building. Possibly with guns using silencers or even a pneumatic rifle. 

BTW, on pneumatic rifles....

"Lewis & Clark carried a .46 caliber Girandoni repeating air rifle, with a 20 round magazine and an air reservoir that could fire 30 effective shots, powerful enough to kill large game animals, with an effective range of approximately 125 yd. (It took about 1,500 cycles of the accompanying hand-pump to recharge the reservoir.)"

In truth, pneumatic rifles are underpowered compared to ordinary firearms. But if you wanted to avoid detection, pneumatic rifles are effective in the relatively short ranges seen in Dealey Plaza.

[Joe Bauer]

58 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:

Consider that Oswald was beginning to make his way down the stairs from the second floor to the first floor and then he heard someone coming up from the first floor.  This causes Oswald to reverse direction (having not traversed very far into the stairwell between those two floors) and, with little time to do anything else, simply made a bee line to the lunchroom.

Those stairs were tight and not many between each floor.

If Oswald heard Baker and Truly loudly stomping up the wooden stairs from the first floor ( Baker had police boots and was a big dude ) and they were "racing" up them instead of casually, slowly doing so, he had but seconds to turn and run into the lunch room.

I have always assumed that when Baker got to the top of the first floor steps to the landing of the second and looked in and immediately walked into the entrance to the lunch room, he saw Oswald "already holding" his machine dropped Dr. Pepper in his hands - yes?

Just the time it took Oswald to turn back, go into the lunch room and go to the back where the soda machine was, dig out a quarter, pop it in the machine, pull the handle, grab the dropped can and open it would have taken way more time than it took Baker and Truly to reach and enter the lunch room. IMO anyways.

Edited February 5, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Bill Brown]

3 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Those stairs were tight and not many between each floor.

If Oswald heard Baker and Truly loudly stomping up the wooden stairs from the first floor ( Baker had police boots and was a big dude ) and they were "racing" up them instead of casually, slowly doing so, he had but seconds to turn and run into the lunch room.

I have always assumed that when Baker got to the top of the first floor steps to the landing of the second and looked in and immediately walked into the entrance to the lunch room, he saw Oswald "already holding" his machine dropped Dr. Pepper in his hands - yes?

Just the time it took Oswald to turn back, go into the lunch room and go to the back where the soda machine was, dig out a quarter, pop it in the machine, pull the handle, grab the dropped can and open it would have taken way more time than it took Baker and Truly to reach and enter the lunch room. IMO anyways.

 

No.

 

Oswald didn't purchase the Coke until after the encounter with Baker and Baker had left him.

 

[David Josephs]

On 2/5/2023 at 9:28 AM, Benjamin Cole said:

My take is LHO was firing the M-C rifle, but without effect. He was perhaps an unwitting decoy.

Please tell me where he stowed the rifle,
where did he reassemble it,
and with what tools,
how did he zero in the sight which was now just put on the rifle to be such an accurate shot, 
how did the 4 bullets stay in the clip and how does he load a brass clip and brass casing without leaving a fingerprint
how does Williams not see or hear him,
why does the fingerprint on the trigger guard change sides
how does one reassemble the rifle and only leave a palmprint on all that metal,
why the dismissal of Carolyn Arnold who was never called to testify
and then there's Brennan - who at over 40 yards cannot see a scope but can provide details... Oswald wore a briarloom button down shirt, reddish brown which I wouldn't describe as "light clothing"... and in reality didn't see a rifle shot... while looking directly at the man

 

 

I appreciate your take Ben, but some of these questions need answering for him to have actually been in that window...
 

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by David Josephs

[David Josephs]

On 2/5/2023 at 9:57 AM, Joe Bauer said:

I have always assumed that when Baker got to the top of the first floor steps to the landing of the second and looked in and immediately walked into the entrance to the lunch room, he saw Oswald "already holding" his machine dropped Dr. Pepper in his hands - yes?

Oh Joe, say it aint so.... there was no lunchroom encounter my good friend...  search the forum, we've done a great job proving that fact...

No door, no window, no pointed gun, 

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS

BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker

 

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

 

Does that look like the same writing 11/22/63 vs 09/23/64... days before the WCR is delivered.  Doesn't it appear as if the agent himself wrote the document as Baker?  Signatures are not even close

 

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by David Josephs

[Bill Brown]

1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

Oh Joe, say it aint so.... there was no lunchroom encounter my good friend...  search the forum, we've done a great job proving that fact...

No door, no window, no pointed gun, 

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS

BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker

 

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

 

Does that look like the same writing 11/22/63 vs 09/23/64... days before the WCR is delivered.  Doesn't it appear as if the agent himself wrote the document as Baker?  Signatures are not even close

 

 

No one is claiming that the two "Marrion L. Baker" were both written by Baker.  In fact, the document on the bottom left was written by Burnett (who also wrote Truly's statement).  You're late to the party with this stuff.  Baker simply signed at the bottom.

 

Edited February 5, 2023 by Bill Brown

[Joe Bauer]

1 hour ago, Bill Brown said:

 

No one is claiming that the two "Marrion L. Baker" were both written by Baker.  In fact, the document on the bottom left was written by Burnett (who also wrote Truly's statement).  You're late to the party with this stuff.  Baker simply signed at the bottom.

 

Now you're really confusing me.

No lunch room encounter?