Benjamin Cole Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, W. Niederhut said: Dead wrong, Ben. Trump and his white supremacist party are very much a part of American history, and Deep State history, during the past 60+ years. That's what our 56 Years thread was about. Trump was elected in 2016 by the machinations of Deep State actors-- including James Comey, Charles McGonigal, and mass media moguls like Sulzberger. Meanwhile, I've already explained to you, at least three or four times now, that there is nothing "uncivil" about disagreeing with people's false claims about history on this forum. Nor do criticisms of false claims constitute ad hominem arguments per se. Stop playing the victim. As for your other erroneous comments, I have never called anyone on this forum a "N-a-z-i" or a "fascist." I do believe that Trump's cult has some fascist characteristics-- authoritarianism, militant nationalism, scapegoating of ethnic minority groups, etc. Obviously, you are very interested in censoring honest discussions here about Trump and his place in American history. And it sounds like you, and others, having been hounding the mods about suppressing references to Trump. I do not believe the EF-JFKA forum is the place for general political discussions about Trump or Biden (with the exception of the JFK Records Act). The moderators agree. If you have theories about Trump, there are designated threads for you to post. Post to you heart's content---in the proper thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Benjamin Cole said: I do not believe the EF-JFKA forum is the place for general political discussions about Trump or Biden (with the exception of the JFK Records Act). The moderators agree. If you have theories about Trump, there are designated threads for you to post. Post to you heart's content---in the proper thread. Go back and re-read what I just wrote, Ben. It's pointless for me to try to converse with someone who doesn't even read or understand my comments. As for the moderators, they supported Joseph McBride's 56 Years thread at the request of our community before you and Mathew Koch later showed up and mucked up the thread with your MAGA spam. Outsiders have criticized the forum recently because of the MAGA spam-- naming you and Mathew Koch in particular-- not because of the accurate, fact-based criticisms of Trump and his white nationalist cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said: @Benjamin Cole Can you please expand on why you think this thread isn't an appropriate venue to discuss Trump when he is the instigator of false, dangerous rhetoric? Odd JFKA Reference By Right Wing Radio Pundit?"this entire criminal cabal that came about as a result of the murder of John F. Kennedy, the people that perpetrated the murder of John F. Kennedy, rise up to that..." Your theories and observations on Trump---or other people's theories on Biden as a Deep State apparatchik---are very worthy...in the proper threads. One could argue that a Donk---LBJ---had the non-interventionist JFK murdered, and since then the intel-state has co-opted the Donk establishment. See Hillary Clinton for example, who is indistinguishable from Liz Cheney, and indisputably Biden descends from the Clinton-Obama neo-con-libs. Ergo, Biden is the latest Donk affiliate-compromat of the intel state. So it goes, and good theory it is---and that explains why Biden has deep-sixed the JFK Records in perpetuity. Not a Deep State apparatchik? And such a theory belongs over in the water-cooler section. Perhaps I will expand on it there. The thread has become wearisome, and belongs in the water-cooler section also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: Only one. The circle of JFKA buffs...in the larger world is rather small. He did not think Trump was being unfairly maligned--like many, he has more nuanced views. There may not be white hats and black hats in DC. He contended the anti-Trump posters had befouled the space not only with their rather opinionated and imbalanced observations---not only of Trump but others who held different viewpoints. He went back to comfortably reading JFKA books. I doubt even a civil Trump supporter would be treated civilly in the EF-JFKA. Which is why the moderators have carved out spaces for political discussions. Go to the designated threads and post with a full-throated roar! I'll just stay right here, Ben, on a thread titled, Odd JFKA Reference By Right Wing Radio Pundit? The opportunity to further expose the symbiosis between right wing radio pundits who advocate violence and Trump who advocates violence is irresistible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: I do not believe the EF-JFKA forum is the place for general political discussions about Trump or Biden (with the exception of the JFK Records Act). The moderators agree. If you have theories about Trump, there are designated threads for you to post. Post to you heart's content---in the proper thread. I'm sorry, Benjamin, but that is simply, historically inaccurate. Trump's political rise and subsequent attempts at authoritarian rule, including the violent insurrection designed to depose a democratically elected incumbent - an attempted COUP, can be traced directly to the extreme right ideology that permeated our nation in the lead up to the Coup in Dallas. Edited March 22, 2023 by Leslie Sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: Your political theories on Trump have nothing to do with the JFKA, but do serve to dissuade potential participants from visiting this forum. It is not civil conversation to accuse other participants of being closeted anythings or racist, Nezis and fascists. I am not a moderator, but I will ask moderators to move this thread to a more-proper location. No One in this thread has accused anyone of being racist, National Socialist or fascist. Any of those terms have only been brought up by you, two of them twice now. You really don't get IT do you? IT's not about Trump theories and the JFKA. It's about how a right wing sponsored coup that killed JFK led to a right wing coup attempt on Democracy on 1/6/2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) @Benjamin Cole The title of this thread refers to Pete Santilli. Odd JFKA Reference By Right Wing Radio Pundit? On March 3, Santilli hosted Mike Lindell. EP 2348-9AM 'I Have All The Evidence...Trump will be your president long before 2024,': MyPillow's Lindell [Trump's financial sugar daddy] Mike Lindell's statement "Trump will be your president long before 2024" suggests treason, and another attempted Coup.Santilli made an "odd" reference to JFKA. You're fooling no one with your argument that Trump is not central to this thread. I trust the moderators will agree. Edited March 22, 2023 by Leslie Sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: Which is why the moderators have carved out spaces for political discussions. Go to the designated threads and post with a full-throated roar! Ben, The POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS forum area was "carved out" long before the current crop of administrators/moderators came along. And around a week ago, you were complaining that the JFKA forum NEEDED a Biden discussion thread IN ADDITION to a Trump discussion thread, You also stated that you had no intention of going to another section of The Education Forum to discuss Trump, Biden, et al. You might have a short memory. I do not. You have a right to change your mind. But you don't have the history of the POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS area of The Education Forum correct. John Simkin and his partner Andy [I can't recall his last name at the moment] "carved out" that area long, long ago [relatively speaking]. Simkin et al also set up a JFK Deep Politics discussion area way back when. It's still available. If you are going to give someone a history lesson, make sure your history is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mark Knight said: Ben, The POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS forum area was "carved out" long before the current crop of administrators/moderators came along. And around a week ago, you were complaining that the JFKA forum NEEDED a Biden discussion thread IN ADDITION to a Trump discussion thread, You also stated that you had no intention of going to another section of The Education Forum to discuss Trump, Biden, et al. You might have a short memory. I do not. You have a right to change your mind. But you don't have the history of the POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS area of The Education Forum correct. John Simkin and his partner Andy [I can't recall his last name at the moment] "carved out" that area long, long ago [relatively speaking]. Simkin et al also set up a JFK Deep Politics discussion area way back when. It's still available. If you are going to give someone a history lesson, make sure your history is correct. Thank you for your comments And I encourage current political discussions to be routed into the proper threads, and bona fide EF-JFK threads be left in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said: Your theories and observations on Trump---or other people's theories on Biden as a Deep State apparatchik---are very worthy...in the proper threads. One could argue that a Donk---LBJ---had the non-interventionist JFK murdered, and since then the intel-state has co-opted the Donk establishment. See Hillary Clinton for example, who is indistinguishable from Liz Cheney, and indisputably Biden descends from the Clinton-Obama neo-con-libs. Ergo, Biden is the latest Donk affiliate-compromat of the intel state. So it goes, and good theory it is---and that explains why Biden has deep-sixed the JFK Records in perpetuity. Not a Deep State apparatchik? And such a theory belongs over in the water-cooler section. Perhaps I will expand on it there. The thread has become wearisome, and belongs in the water-cooler section also. Head on over to the water cooler then. Until the moderators make a determination, I will continue to provide reasons why Trump belongs in a discussion about a right wing pundit who had the audacity to allege that Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Susan Rice have anything in common with the ideology behind the assignation of Kennedy in Dallas. Trump on the other hand . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said: No One in this thread has accused anyone of being racist, National Socialist or fascist. Any of those terms have only been brought up by you, two of them twice now. You really don't get IT do you? IT's not about Trump theories and the JFKA. It's about how a right wing sponsored coup that killed JFK led to a right wing coup attempt on Democracy on 1/6/2021. That is your theory. I do not subscribe to your theory, and I think it belongs in the Deep Politics or other threads. Not my call. I contend the Deep State played a role in deposing four postwar US presidents. That is my theory. I will expound upon it in the proper threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Leslie Sharp said: Head on over to the water cooler then. Until the moderators make a determination, I will continue to provide reasons why Trump belongs in a discussion about a right wing pundit who had the audacity to allege that Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Susan Rice have anything in common with the ideology behind the assignation of Kennedy in Dallas. Trump on the other hand . . . Verily...meet you in the water cooler, where such modern-day theories belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said: No One in this thread has accused anyone of being racist, National Socialist or fascist. Any of those terms have only been brought up by you, two of them twice now. You really don't get IT do you? IT's not about Trump theories and the JFKA. It's about how a right wing sponsored coup that killed JFK led to a right wing coup attempt on Democracy on 1/6/2021. Hear, Hear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Leslie Sharp said: Hear, Hear! Ron has a worthy theory about modern-day politics. IMHO, it hops over the deposing of Nixon and Carter, and does not accommodate other views on how the intel-state acted during the Trump Administration. This thread obviously belongs in the Deep Politics or other threads. Water cooler time, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Sharp Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Benjamin Cole said: Verily...meet you in the water cooler, where such modern-day theories belong. The assassination in Dallas did not occur in a vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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