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Trump's new threat leads ex-RNC head to urge courts jail him immediately


By Tom Boggioni November 19, 2023
https://www.rawstory.com/jail-trump/


"Reacting to Donald Trump reposting a threat from one of his followers calling for the citizen's arrest of Judge Arthur Engoron and New York Attorney General Letitia James on his Truth Social account, former RNC chair Michael Steele told an MSNBC host the time has come to arrest and jail the former president."

That's what I said.
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Far-right outsider Javier Milei wins Argentina’s presidency

' . . . Javier Milei, a social conservative with ties to the American right, opposes abortion rights and has called climate change a “lie of socialism.” He has promised to slash government spending by closing Argentina’s ministries of culture, education, and diversity, and by eliminating public subsidies.

“Make Argentina great again!” Trump posted on his platform Truth Social Sunday, in reaction to Milei’s win. “I am very proud of you,” he wrote.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/19/world/argentina-vote-milei-massa-nov-19/index.html

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When Tucker Carlson met Javier Milei: Why the US right-wing pundit interviewed the eccentric frontrunner of Argentina’s election
https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/when-tucker-carlson-met-javier-milei-why-us-right-wing-pundit-interviewed-eccentric#:~:text=He's been described as a,interview Milei for his show.

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I decided over the weekend that I don't want to quarrel with my fellow liberals about U.S. foreign policy.

IMO, it's more important for those of us who believe in liberal democracy to remain united, in the face of rising foreign and domestic fascism.

But, I do have a question about definitions of "collateral damage" during military ops.

As I understand it, definitions of "collateral damage" are based on military Rules of Engagement-- which may vary from war to war, and even from one Presidential administration to another.

As an example, I recall reading in 2017 that the Trump administration killed more civilians in eight months (in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and Afghanistan) than the Obama administration had killed in eight years-- due to Trump's alterations of U.S. Rules of Engagement.

Trump had even, reportedly, told his military advisors to kill family members--including women and children-- of alleged "terrorists."  General Mattis said, "No, Mr. President, we don't do that," as I recall.

As for the latest Gaza bombings, is there a meaningful sense in which this could be construed as "collateral damage?"

I suppose that we-- like Bill Maher-- could define the bombing of residential buildings, schools, and hospitals as "collateral damage" if we defined all of these structures as military targets. 

In a sense, it's Hiroshima type "logic."  Blow up everything.

Having Vanquished Gaza's Hospitals, Israel Turns to bombing Schools, Killing Dozens (juancole.com)

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Ok, just one more thing about collateral damage it is !.

As I've said, I'm more interested in what to do, that is "policy'. I want a cease fire, but the political reality for this moment is that even Bernie Sanders won't go on board for that!

I think with more time and anguish. That will change

I agree. These  are trying times.W.!

But I beseech you, keep faith and don't do as this woman, and fall into the dark side!

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1726326879630639510

 

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On 11/20/2023 at 3:43 PM, W. Niederhut said:

I suppose that we-- like Bill Maher-- could define the bombing of residential buildings, schools, and hospitals as "collateral damage" if we defined all of these structures as military targets. 

 

If a building is protecting numerous enemy combatants, it is a legitimate military target. If the building isn't the property of the enemy and it is damaged or destroyed, that would be collateral damage. If civilians in the building are injured or killed, that would be collateral damage.

 

On 11/20/2023 at 3:43 PM, W. Niederhut said:

In a sense, it's Hiroshima type "logic."  Blow up everything.

 

Hiroshima and Gaza are completely different situations. For one thing, Hiroshima had relatively few enemy combatants, and the ones that were there weren't using civilians or civilian structures to protect themselves from enemy fire. If the bombing of Hiroshima happened today, that would definitely be considered a war crime. Whereas in Gaza, Israel is bombing structures that it believes are protecting enemy combatants. The rules are complex, but these may not be considered to be war crimes even with all the civilian casualties.

I hate wars. But sometimes engaging in one is better than not engaging in it.

 

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