Why Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's Critics Are Wrong

[Michael Griffith]

27 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

What I said has been proven to be the case. Liberty Lobby was NOT obviously  anti-Semitic. . . .

This is total hogwash. Sheesh, how can you spew such trash? The fact that Liberty Lobby was anti-Semitic was obvious to any honest, rational person who spent 30 minutes studying the group's publications, leadership, and activities. The ADL identified Liberty Lobby as anti-Semitic. Hundreds of journalists and many newspapers, magazines, and journals identified Liberty Lobby as anti-Semitic. Two federal courts, including the U.S. Court of Appeals for DC, ruled that the evidence that Liberty Lobby was anti-Semitic was "compelling." 

For about the 20th time:

Liberty Lobby regularly hosted events that included Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites, and white supremacists. I personally attended one of them in Portland, Oregon, when I was in my early 20s.

Liberty Lobby's radio program included multiple appearances by Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites, and even neo-N-azis.

Liberty Lobby's newspaper The Spotlight regularly included articles that favorably covered Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites, and neo-N-azi groups. The paper also accepted ads from neo-N-azis. 

Liberty Lobby's founder was Willis Carto, who denied the Holocaust and constantly attacked Jews and the state of Israel.

Liberty Lobby worked closely with the IHR, which published numerous books and articles that denied the Holocaust. 

Your continued refusal to acknowledge the plain truth about Liberty Lobby is disgraceful. 

Do you really, really believe that Prouty had no idea about Carto, Marcellus, Liberty Lobby, and the IHR, given all the time he spent with them? Are you asking us to believe that Prouty knew nothing about the numerous newspaper and magazine articles that discussed Liberty Lobby's anti-Semitism? He appeared on Liberty Lobby's radio program 10 times in four years, and you think by the fourth of fifth time he still had no clue about the kind of vile trash the program peddled, after spending so much time with its host, Tom Valentine? 

 

Edited April 17, 2023 by Michael Griffith

[Sandy Larsen]

On 4/16/2023 at 1:33 AM, Jeff Carter said:

The source is an article - “The Shooting of JFK” by Robert Sam Anson - which was published in the November 1991 edition of Esquire.

Note that this article was one of a series of essentially hatchet-jobs directed at the “JFK” film as published in the mainstream press on its release. For example, the article describes the Garrison-Shaw trial as a “paranoid charade”,“one of the most grotesque chapters in American legal history”, and ties Garrison with “psychotherapy”, “bribery”, “income tax evasion”, and “association with organized crime.” Assassination researchers are repeatedly referred as “buffs”.

The relevant section of the article, and where much of the information promoted by Griffith in his assertions first appears, is poorly sourced. A “tiny, left-wing New York weekly” is said to directly tie Prouty to Liberty Lobby, and supposedly later corroborated by “more information”. News of the alleged sale of the reprint rights of Secret Team is said to have been “discovered” by Stone’s staff.  Prouty is portrayed as having “pleaded ignorance” when questioned by unknown interlocutors in undescribed circumstances, a response said to have dismayed a Stone assistant “after listening to the rationalizations”. Prouty’s rebuttal, as interpreted, is circumscribed,  and it is unclear if the assistant reacting to "the rationalizations” was present when Prouty was “questioned”.

To reiterate, the sources for the assertions of Prouty’s ties to the extremist Lobby, beyond the paid speaking engagement and a handful of radio appearances, are:

- unidentified publication

- non-specified “information”

- non-specified “discovery”

 

Prouty:    “they just made up these things…they put all this in this Esquire magazine but did it all backwards, as though I was a member, writing with these people or joining them. “

 

(Interestingly, John Newman is introduced late in the article as a sort of anti-Prouty - “meticulous, low-key, methodical” - as opposed to the ”ever-voluble” Prouty whose “Vietnam expertise was not all that had been assumed.”  In the recent Malcolm Blount book, Newman describes advising Stone to do due diligence and allow for some basic research on Lansdale before including a sequence featuring General Y standing in Dealey Plaza in the “JFK” film. That is how Newman discovered the documentation locating Lansdale in Denton, Texas on November 21, 1963.)

 

Oliver Stone responded to Anson’s article in a letter published the following month by describing its “numerous errors, omissions, out-of-context quotes and misunderstandings” and avowed “I have not, or do I intend, to ‘distance’ myself in any way from Garrison’s or Colonel Prouty’s long efforts in this case. They may have made mistakes, but they fought battles that Anson could never dreamed of.”

 

Thank you Jeff for investigating that source and reporting back on it.

I commented earlier that Michael should be fact-checking all these anti-Prouty claims instead of accepting them all at face value. I began doing so a day or two ago. I checked on the source claiming Liberty Lobby published Prouty's book.

From reading that source, I could see that there were problems with it that needed further study.

Problem is, I'd just wore myself out. (A medical problem.) Thank goodness Jeff did the work. And now we know that one of the sources Griffith uses is a hit job that was targeted at Oliver Stone's JFK.

 

[Michael Griffith]

47 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Thank you Jeff for investigating that source and reporting back on it.

I commented earlier that Michael should be fact-checking all these anti-Prouty claims instead of accepting them all at face value. I began doing so a day or two ago. I checked on the source claiming Liberty Lobby published Prouty's book.

From reading that source, I could see that there were problems with it that needed further study.

Problem is, I'd just wore myself out. (A medical problem.) Thank goodness Jeff did the work. And now we know that one of the sources Griffith uses is a hit job that was targeted at Oliver Stone's JFK.

Wow. Just wow. This is just so pathetic. Here's a radical right-wing defense of the IHR that lists Prouty's The Secret Team as being one of the books published by the IHR's Noontide Press:

Full text of "Michael Collins Piper books" (archive.org)

How about all the research on Prouty done by Chip Berlet, a card-carrying ultra-liberal with a stainless pro-civil rights and anti-fascist record? How about the ADL's research on Prouty?

Let's read more of what Berlet has documented about Prouty, including the fact that Prouty had the IHR republish his book The Secret Team:

          The Liberty Lobby’s Spotlight newspaper superimposed Prouty’s original thesis on its own conspiracy theory regarding Jewish influence in U.S. foreign policy. Sometime in the 1980s, a number of critics of U.S. intelligence operations, including Prouty, began to drift toward a working alliance with Spotlight and Liberty Lobby. They began to feed information from their sources inside the government to publications and groups that 
circulate conspiracy theories alleging Jewish influence and control over world events, They also began feeding tips to CIA critics on the Left. . . .

          In his new preface to The Secret Team, recently republished by the Institute for Historical Review, Prouty writes of the “High Cabal” which coaches the “Secret Team” and controls the world. (LINK)

          At the Liberty Loby conference Fletcher Prouty released the new Institute for Historical Review’s Noontide Press edition of his book on CIA intrigue, The Secret Team. Prouty also moderated a panel where Bo Gritz wove a conspiracy theory which explained the U.S. confrontation with Iraq as a product of the same "Secret Team" outlined by Prouty. . . .

          Gritz agreed to run as the 1988 vice presidential candidate of the Populist Party on the ticket with presidential candidate David Duke. Duke’s past affiliations with the Ku Klux Klan and neo-N-azi movement are still reflected in Duke’s political ideology. Even Readers Digest called the Populist Party a haven for neo-National Socialists and ex-Klansmen. The Populist Party was originally founded by notorious anti-Semite and Hitler apologist Willis Carto who founded the Liberty Lobby.

          A photograph of Gritz shaking hands with David Duke at the nominating convention was published in Liberty Lobby’s Spotlight newspaper. (LINK)

Again, are you really, really asking us to believe that Prouty had no clue about Liberty Lobby and the IHR, even after attending and speaking at the above-mentioned Liberty Lobby conference and appearing on Liberty Lobby's radio show 10 times over a four-year period? How many hours spent with the radio show's host, Tom Valentine, would it have taken any sane, halfway educated person to figure out that the show was a nutcase forum?

Edited April 17, 2023 by Michael Griffith

[Sandy Larsen]

20 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

[To Kirk:]

     Did you read my original post on that subject, on this thread?  Apparently not, since you mistakenly imagine that I "have contributed nothing" on that subject.  I posted the first reference here to Oliver Stone's Esquire commentary on the subject of the CIA's "character assassination" of Fletcher Prouty, and Prouty's history of speaking at the Holocaust Memorial.

 

My apologies go to William for forgetting that he originally posted about the Esquire hit piece in this thread.

 

20 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

[To Kirk:]

     The basic question I would ask you, apropos of my original, censored thread title, is, "Who are the real crackpots-- CIA whistleblower Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, or the CIA propagandists who have used their mainstream media (and internet) assets for the past 30 years to falsely impugn Prouty's reputation?

 

Speaking of  this....

@Kirk Gallaway, in William's defense, I did see the satire in the original title of this thread. (The original title was "Why Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's Critics Are Crackpots,"). This thread was moved to Political Discussion partly because some members may not have seen the satire in the title and would see ad hominem instead. I wanted to see the thread back here again, so I got permission from William to change the title to something that couldn't be mistaken for ad hominem. I changed the title to  what it is now and moved the thread back here

 

[Paul Brancato]

12 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

Thanks Paul. That’s very interesting. 

The Esquire article from 1991 is intriguing as it gradually becomes apparent that its real target is not Stone or Garrison but Prouty, and ultimately not due to Prouty’s politics or associations but due to his reading and timeline of NSAM 263/273.

It’s curious how Prouty sort of nonchalantly drifted into contact with extremist-linked entities just as the “JFK” film was developing. It’s curious how the Esquire writer seemed to happenstance be around at the same time unspecified “information” turned up at the “JFK” production office.  As I read through that section I did think of Berlet, and wondered if he was linked to the unidentified “tiny, left-wing New York weekly” in the story.

I don’t recall reading anything by Berlet attacking Stone’s JFK or Prouty. I hadn’t heard of Berlet before but in trying to fact check this Liberty Lobby Prouty stuff I came across his articles which have a theme running through them that it seems to me were prescient. Paul - am I mistaken? Was Berlet part of the Oliver Stone Prouty smear campaign? His thesis was that right wing groups were infiltrating the left. I read his material on Christic with great interest, since I used Christic research for my Iran Contra scandal trading cards, and met Sheehan. I think he is brilliant. Meanwhile, in today’s political climate the right and left have gotten pretty confused. The term Deep State is a case in point. It’s been wholly co-opted by the right, and lefties almost never talk about it. I recall Chomsky being quite critical of the Christic ‘secret team’ idea, saying that it wasn’t secret at all. He has a point when he says that the US State carries out its agenda openly. But what about the death squad activities that were part of the Central and South American milieu being run by former anti-Castro Cubans like Felix Rodriguez and Rafael Quintero? I know I’m wandering a bit. To get back to Berlet’s thesis, I have several far left friends and acquaintances who now share with the Right a paranoid view of just how far the ‘elites’ in Davos etc have gone to institute technocracy, which the old Right would have called ‘Communism and Socialism’. It’s a very confusing pallet of ideas. Very real conspiracies, such as the one that killed our most progressive leaders in the 1960’s, are buried in a sea of crazy conspiracies. And that’s the point. 
Help me, in your own words of possible, to understand who Berlet was and who he worked for. 

[W. Niederhut]

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Thank you Jeff for investigating that source and reporting back on it.

I commented earlier that Michael should be fact-checking all these anti-Prouty claims instead of accepting them all at face value. I began doing so a day or two ago. I checked on the source claiming Liberty Lobby published Prouty's book.

From reading that source, I could see that there were problems with it that needed further study.

Problem is, I'd just wore myself out. (A medical problem.) Thank goodness Jeff did the work. And now we know that one of the sources Griffith uses is a hit job that was targeted at Oliver Stone's JFK.

 

Sandy,

     We all owe Jeff Carter a big thank you for his diligence in meticulously debunking Michael Griffith's bogus 30 year-old defamatory CIA fabrications about Prouty.

     (I was approaching this subject from a different angle-- emphasizing Prouty's credibility and distinguished record of military service to the U.S.)

     I don't think it's a stretch to theorize that the CIA's propaganda establishment deliberately fabricated and planted defamatory talking points about Prouty in the mainstream media 30+ years ago, after he emerged as a Deep State whistleblower for Olver Stone's film, JFK.

     Then, they have simply repeated the same defamatory talking points on websites, internet forums, radio shows, etc., during the past 30 years.

     Classic propaganda.  Have multiple propagandists repeat the lies, until the public believes they are true. 

[Michael Griffith]

Thank goodness for the Internet Archive website. Thanks to the website, I was able to find "friendly" proof that Fletcher Prouty had his book The Secret Team republished by the IHR's Noontide Press.

I found this proof in a book that ardently defends Holocaust denial, white supremacy, the IHR, and Liberty Lobby and its newspaper The Spotlight. The book was written by radical right-winger and Holocaust denier Michael Collin Piper and is titled Coup d’Etat: The Bizarre Inside Story of How an Intelligence Operative Tied to the CIA and Israel’s Mossad Orchestrated the Take-Over of the Institute for Historical Review And Set in Motion the Ultimate Destruction of Liberty Lobby. I might add that the IHR, via its Noontide Press, also published The Spotlight.

The book's appendix lists books and publications that were published or republished by the IHR's Noontide Press. The list includes Prouty's book The Secret Team (LINK). Here are some other splendid titles published or republished by Noontide Press:

White America, by Earnest Sevier Cox. In case you didn't already guess, Cox was an ardent white supremacist.

Lincoln's Negro Policy, by Earnest Sevier Cox 

The Myth of the Six Million, by David Hoggan. This is a standard Holocaust denial text. Willis Carto was a contributor.

Debunking the Genocide Myth: A Study of the National Socialist Concentration Camps and the Alleged Extermination of European Jewry, by Paul Rassinier. This is another popular book among Holocaust deniers. 

Our Nordic Race, by Richard Kelly Hoskins

The Hoax of the 20th Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry, by Dr. Arthur Butz

Liberty Lobby Membership Cookbook

Report From Iron Mountain, by Leonard Lewin 

Anne Frank's Diary: A Hoax, by Dietlieb Felderer 

Eugenics & Race, by Dr. Roger Pearson. Pearson was a purveyor of extreme racist and anti-Semitic views. In 1958, he founded the Northern League for North European Friendship, a group that promoted Pan-Germanism, anti-Semitic, and neo-N-azi racial ideology.

Anti-Zion, by William Grimstad 

The Liberty Lobby Congressional Handbook 

Is the Diary of Anne Frank Genuine?, by Robert Faurisson. (Yes, it is, but these nutjobs argued that it was faked.)

The Zionist Factor, by Ivor Benson 

The Life of An American Jew in Racist, Marxist Israel, by Jack Bernstein 

Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS, by Leon Degrelle. Don't you know that Hitler was actually a swell guy, and that the SS were noble warriors? 

Behind Jonestown, by Ed Dieckmann. If you think Prouty's nutty theory about Jonestown is bad, Dieckmann makes Prouty's theory look respectable by comparison. While spinning a wild tale about Jonestown, Diechmann takes time to deny the Holocaust. 

Germany Reborn, by Herman Goering. For those who don't know, Goering was one of Hitler's henchmen and a leading figure in the Third Reich.

The Auschwitz Myth, by Wilhelm Staglich.

The How - Liberty Lobby's Record of Its Political Aims 

Spotlight on the Bilderbergers 

Inside the Bilderberg Group 

Coup D'Etat: The ADL Scheme to Seize Control of Latin America. ADL is the Anti-Defamation League
 
The Six Million Reconsidered, by William Grimstad 

100 Best of The SPOTLIGHT - two volumes 1986 and 1987 

108 Astounding Stories by The SPOTLIGHT. (LINK)
 

Edited April 17, 2023 by Michael Griffith

[Paul Brancato]

Michael -what are you saying? That guilt by association proves that Prouty was sympathetic to these awful publications? That he should have gone elsewhere to publish? Reminds me a bit of the good jfk researchers who participate in Judyth Vary Baker’s form. You can keep making the case against Carto and his ilk, but until you prove that Prouty was guilty of the same sins you only have guilt by association. You are shooting the messenger instead of engaging in Prouty’s ideas. 

[W. Niederhut]

22 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Michael -what are you saying? That guilt by association proves that Prouty was sympathetic to these awful publications? That he should have gone elsewhere to publish? Reminds me a bit of the good jfk researchers who participate in Judyth Vary Baker’s form. You can keep making the case against Carto and his ilk, but until you prove that Prouty was guilty of the same sins you only have guilt by association. You are shooting the messenger instead of engaging in Prouty’s ideas. 

Paul,

    Speaking of guilt by association, here's a photo of Allen Dulles with his favorite CIA black ops/psy ops expert, General Ed Lansdale, and Dulles's Deputy CIA Director, General Charles Cabell.

    Cabell's brother, Earle, the Mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63, was recently outed as a CIA asset.  I think Earle was riding in the lead car in JFK's Dallas motorcade.

     Prouty and General Victor Krulak ID'd their long-time colleague, Ed Lansdale, in Dealey Plaza photos, and wondered what in the hell Lansdale was doing in Dallas on 11/22/63.

 

[Michael Griffith]

39 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Michael -what are you saying? That guilt by association proves that Prouty was sympathetic to these awful publications? That he should have gone elsewhere to publish? Reminds me a bit of the good jfk researchers who participate in Judyth Vary Baker’s form. You can keep making the case against Carto and his ilk, but until you prove that Prouty was guilty of the same sins you only have guilt by association. You are shooting the messenger instead of engaging in Prouty’s ideas. 

Paul, come on. How close and how long of an association with Holocaust deniers, white supremacists, and anti-Semites is acceptable to you? We're not talking about a casual, brief association. We're talking a close and prolonged association that included Prouty having a book republished by the IHR (as I just proved), Prouty appearing on Liberty Lobby's radio show 10 times in a four-year period (documented by the ADL), Prouty expressing his pride and gratitude for the IHR's willingness to republish his book (documented by anti-fascist, ultra-liberal journalist Chip Berlet), Prouty recommending that people read The Spotlight (as proudly confirmed by The Spotlight itself), Prouty's evasive answer when asked about Carto's Holocaust denial (also documented by Berlet), etc., etc.

If a conservative lone-gunman theorist did half of these things, every WC critic in this forum would justifiably condemn him, and no sane conservative WC apologist would dare cite his work. 

 

Edited April 17, 2023 by Michael Griffith

[Jeff Carter]

I did find confirmation of an IHR edition of The Secret Team. It took some work. I don’t believe the press run was very large.

What’s missing here is an account of how Prouty came into this orbit, and what was he thinking? Having worked with a lot of interviews and lectures of his, the concept that he was some kind of fellow traveller, as Griffith has been insinuating, appears to me as wildly off-base and somewhat slanderous. Griffith is applying an absolutist standard.

Beriet also adopted an absolutist position on political affiliations, and created a lot of trouble for leftish organizations and individuals in the early 90s through tagging persons through association, and then demanding their exclusion from the left sphere. He did that with Christic, and he did it with Daniel Brandt / namebase specifically over Prouty. In 1990/91, Berlet was developing a theory that the extreme/anti-semitic right were expressly cultivating “conspiracists” to establish a more watered-down version of their concepts to create a sort of bait-and-switch to widen their constituency, as well as to sow confusion in the Left. Flip through this account by Berlet for reference:

https://politicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/2018-10/RIGHT-WOOS-LEFT-Berlet-Report.pdf

Berlet’s efforts in 1990-91 appear to coordinate with the Prouty section of the Esquire article, at least the paragraphs describing the revelation of Prouty’s ties to LL as “discovered” by Stone’s production office. I say that because of how that section is written, vague on the introduction and source of the info and rather manipulative in describing the response.

[Joe Bauer]

8 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Paul,

    Speaking of guilt by association, here's a photo of Allen Dulles with his favorite CIA black ops/psy ops expert, General Ed Lansdale, and Dulles's Deputy CIA Director, General Charles Cabell.

    Cabell's brother, Earle, the Mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63, was recently outed as a CIA asset.  I think Earle was riding in the lead car in JFK's Dallas motorcade.

     Prouty and General Victor Krulak ID'd their long-time colleague, Ed Lansdale, in Dealey Plaza photos, and wondered what in the hell Lansdale was doing in Dallas on 11/22/63.

 

Important photo WN.

It graphically reflects the close and long term relationship between Lansdale and Dulles.

No question about that.

Who would you think Lansdale would be more loyal to...Dulles or JFK?

That is why I asked the rational question earlier as to wondering how Lansdale felt personally about JFK firing Dulles and Cabell.

Very hard to believe Lansdale didn't have some strong personal feelings about that dramatic action on JFK's part. Did Lansdale feel it was undeserved? One would assume so.

So the question as to whether Lansdale had any animosity toward JFK is a wide open and very important one.  As well as the depth of such.

I assume the proposition that Lansdale had no animosity toward JFK is being offered to downplay any anti-JFK feelings on Lansdale's part to counter any theories that Lansdale might had any reason to be considered with some suspicion in any way regards any role ( or motive ) in the affair.

And the appointment of Allan Dulles to the Warren Commission will always be one of most outrageously incongruous and suspicious actions ever.

You don't say to the American people as LBJ did in his Walter Cronkite interview that the panel was made up of the most "bi-partisan" men, when one of them was fired by JFK himself from his highest power and ego position and in a way that surely offended Dulles to a level of red faced, fist pounding outrage.

Dulles referring to JFK..."he thought he was a little God."

Dulles appointment to that panel instantly tainted it's impartiality integrity to a mind blowing crazy and suspicious degree.

Both Lansdale and Dulles's dark and dirty deeds in their careers make Prouty's super hyped ones here seem like childs play...imo anyways.

Edited April 18, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Michael Griffith]

1 hour ago, Jeff Carter said:

I did find confirmation of an IHR edition of The Secret Team. It took some work. I don’t believe the press run was very large.

What’s missing here is an account of how Prouty came into this orbit, and what was he thinking? Having worked with a lot of interviews and lectures of his, the concept that he was some kind of fellow traveller, as Griffith has been insinuating, appears to me as wildly off-base and somewhat slanderous. Griffith is applying an absolutist standard.

Beriet also adopted an absolutist position on political affiliations, and created a lot of trouble for leftish organizations and individuals in the early 90s through tagging persons through association, and then demanding their exclusion from the left sphere. He did that with Christic, and he did it with Daniel Brandt / namebase specifically over Prouty. In 1990/91, Berlet was developing a theory that the extreme/anti-semitic right were expressly cultivating “conspiracists” to establish a more watered-down version of their concepts to create a sort of bait-and-switch to widen their constituency, as well as to sow confusion in the Left. Flip through this account by Berlet for reference:

https://politicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/2018-10/RIGHT-WOOS-LEFT-Berlet-Report.pdf

Berlet’s efforts in 1990-91 appear to coordinate with the Prouty section of the Esquire article, at least the paragraphs describing the revelation of Prouty’s ties to LL as “discovered” by Stone’s production office. I say that because of how that section is written, vague on the introduction and source of the info and rather manipulative in describing the response.

More ducking and dodging, bobbing and weaving, and hemming and hawing. Anything but an honest facing of the facts. Do you really need an account of how poor, misguided, gullible, clueless Prouty "came into this orbit"? Sheesh, the guy appeared on Liberty Lobby's obscene radio show 10 times over a four-year period. He let the IHR republish one of his books. He recommended The Spotlight.  

Absolutist??? Again, how close and how long of an association with a bunch of lunatic Holocaust deniers, anti-Semites, and white supremacists is enough to discredit someone as a source? 

I'd say appearing on their radio show 10 times in four years, having them republish one of his books, speaking at one of their conventions, recommending their newspaper, sitting on a discussion panel with Bo Gritz, blaming Israel for high oil prices, etc., etc.,--I think that's a close enough and long enough association to thoroughly, totally discredit Prouty as a source. But that's just me. 

Edited April 17, 2023 by Michael Griffith

[W. Niederhut]

22 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

Important photo WN.

It graphically reflects the close and long term relationship between Lansdale and Dulles.

No question about that.

Who would you think Lansdale would be more loyal to...Dulles or JFK?

That is why I asked the rational question earlier as to wondering how Lansdale felt personally about JFK firing Dulles and Cabell.

Very hard to believe Lansdale didn't have some personal feelings about that dramatic action on JFK's part. Did Lansdale feel it was underserved? One would assume so.

So the question as to whether Lansdale had any animosity toward JFK is a wide open and very important one. As well as the depth of such.

I assume the proposition that Lansdale had no animosity toward JFK is being offered to downplay any anti-JFK feelings on Lansdale's part to counter any theories that Lansdale might had any reason to be considered with some suspicion in any way regards any role ( or motive ) in the affair.

And the appointment of Allan Dulles to the Warren Commission will always be one of most outrageously incongruous and suspicious actions ever.

You don't say to the American people as LBJ did in his Walter Cronkite interview that the panel was made up of the most "bi-partisan" men, when one of them was fired by JFK himself from his highest power and ego position and in a way that surely offended Dulles to a level of red faced, fist pounding outrage.

Dulles appointment to that panel instantly tainted it's impartiality integrity to a mind blowing crazy and suspicious degree.

Both Lansdale and Dulles's dark and dirty deeds in their careers make Prouty's super hyped ones here seem like childs play...imo anyways.

Joe,

      Good point about Lansdale's relationship with Dulles.   Prouty also pointed out that Ed Lansdale was bitterly disappointed about JFK nixing Lansdale's further involvement in Vietnam ops, and transferring Lansdale to Mongoose.

[Leslie Sharp]

3 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

Thank goodness for the Internet Archive website. Thanks to the website, I was able to find "friendly" proof that Fletcher Prouty had his book The Secret Team republished by the IHR's Noontide Press.

I found this proof in a book that ardently defends Holocaust denial, white supremacy, the IHR, and Liberty Lobby and its newspaper The Spotlight. The book was written by radical right-winger and Holocaust denier Michael Collin Piper and is titled Coup d’Etat: The Bizarre Inside Story of How an Intelligence Operative Tied to the CIA and Israel’s Mossad Orchestrated the Take-Over of the Institute for Historical Review And Set in Motion the Ultimate Destruction of Liberty Lobby. I might add that the IHR, via its Noontide Press, also published The Spotlight.

The book's appendix lists books and publications that were published or republished by the IHR's Noontide Press. The list includes Prouty's book The Secret Team (LINK). Here are some other splendid titles published or republished by Noontide Press:

White America, by Earnest Sevier Cox. In case you didn't already guess, Cox was an ardent white supremacist.

Lincoln's Negro Policy, by Earnest Sevier Cox 

The Myth of the Six Million, by David Hoggan. This is a standard Holocaust denial text. Willis Carto was a contributor.

Debunking the Genocide Myth: A Study of the National Socialist Concentration Camps and the Alleged Extermination of European Jewry, by Paul Rassinier. This is another popular book among Holocaust deniers. 

Our Nordic Race, by Richard Kelly Hoskins

The Hoax of the 20th Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry, by Dr. Arthur Butz

Liberty Lobby Membership Cookbook

Report From Iron Mountain, by Leonard Lewin 

Anne Frank's Diary: A Hoax, by Dietlieb Felderer 

Eugenics & Race, by Dr. Roger Pearson. Pearson was a purveyor of extreme racist and anti-Semitic views. In 1958, he founded the Northern League for North European Friendship, a group that promoted Pan-Germanism, anti-Semitic, and neo-N-azi racial ideology.

Anti-Zion, by William Grimstad 

The Liberty Lobby Congressional Handbook 

Is the Diary of Anne Frank Genuine?, by Robert Faurisson. (Yes, it is, but these nutjobs argued that it was faked.)

The Zionist Factor, by Ivor Benson 

The Life of An American Jew in Racist, Marxist Israel, by Jack Bernstein 

Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS, by Leon Degrelle. Don't you know that Hitler was actually a swell guy, and that the SS were noble warriors? 

Behind Jonestown, by Ed Dieckmann. If you think Prouty's nutty theory about Jonestown is bad, Dieckmann makes Prouty's theory look respectable by comparison. While spinning a wild tale about Jonestown, Diechmann takes time to deny the Holocaust. 

Germany Reborn, by Herman Goering. For those who don't know, Goering was one of Hitler's henchmen and a leading figure in the Third Reich.

The Auschwitz Myth, by Wilhelm Staglich.

The How - Liberty Lobby's Record of Its Political Aims 

Spotlight on the Bilderbergers 

Inside the Bilderberg Group 

Coup D'Etat: The ADL Scheme to Seize Control of Latin America. ADL is the Anti-Defamation League
 
The Six Million Reconsidered, by William Grimstad 

100 Best of The SPOTLIGHT - two volumes 1986 and 1987 

108 Astounding Stories by The SPOTLIGHT. (LINK)
 

Michael, we had reason to pursue Spotlight because it eventually morphed into America Free Press, Willis Carto's final act as it were, which is alive on the internet today. 

General Willoughby closes one particularly lengthy diatribe he shared with his good friend, DCI Allen Dulles with a quote of fascist philosopher, Oswald Spengler, with, “Untergand de Abendlandes” in reference to Spengler’s “Decline of the West.” Without notes, (Francis Parker] Yockey wrote his first book, Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics, in Brittas Bay, Ireland over the winter and early spring of 1948. Clearly, he shared Willoughby’s admiration of Spengler in Imperium, a Spenglerian critique of 19th century materialism and rationalism dedicated to “the hero of the twentieth century.” It is believed that he meant Adolf Hitler. Holocaust Denier Carto of the Liberty Lobby, and later owner of the American Mercury, as well as the American Free Press, took on the task of publishing Yockey’s Imperium when Britain’s infamous fascist, Sir Oswald Mosley failed to do so because of personality clashes with Yockey. The reader is reminded that ad man, propagandist H. Keith Thompson, long-time protégé of Yockey, handled public relations for Lee Oswald’s mother, Marguerite Claverie Oswald in 1964. It has been reported that Willis Carto was Yockey’s last visitor in jail before he bit down on the cyanide pill he had tucked away rather than be interrogated by American authorities. . . .

Maguire’s magazine was eventually sold off to a shadow company of Willis Carto with General Edwin Walker remaining on as military advisor and partial owner. It was Carto who single handedly brought Holocaust Denial to the US around the same time that McCarthy and his team, including Roy Cohn, launched their red-baiting. It cannot be ignored that Carto’s final propaganda sheet, American Free Press provided a venue for a number of reporters and journalists who in the mid 2000s would infiltrate the Kennedy assassination research efforts under the guise of truth seeking that they sold as being in alignment with John F. Kennedy’s philosophy and policies had he lived to serve out his term. In fact, history insists that contributors to AFP are closely aligned with Carto’s legacy, not that of John F. Kennedy. . . .

When Donald Trump was elected president, a number of leaders from the alt-right movement assumed important advisory positions, including those responsible for creating a platform for the “alt-right,” the online publication Breitbart News. In a piece titled, “An Establishment Conservatives’ Guide to the Alt-Right” published in 2016, the Italian philosopher and occultist Julius Evola is touted as “one of the thinkers in whose writings the origins of the alternative right can be found.” Evola, identified earlier in this book, was the intellectual and spiritual inspiration of leading Italian fascists, including “The Black Prince” Julius Borghese [admired greatly by James Angleton]and Stefano delle Chiaie who were inclined toward murder and blackmail as political solutions. As noted, Evola was also an early admirer of American fascist Francis Parker Yockey whose fervent adherent, H. Keith Thompson, would serve a similar role as that of Isaac Don Levine when he became a publicist for Marguerite Oswald. Yockey’s writings were advanced almost exclusively by American propagandist Willis Carto, philosophically aligned in 1963 with Rev. Gerald L K. Smith, a cofounder of the America First Committee. Carto would leave as his final legacy, the American Free Press where Patrick Buchanan found a well-primed audience. . . .

Journalist and historian of extreme right-wing movements in the United States, Chip Berlet noted that Trump’s vision of America has been narrowed to focus on and to reflect the ideas of [Steve] Bannon and [Bill] Regnery. Bill Regnery’s uncle Henry had also published Human Events, a journal alleged by historian James Ziegler in Red Scare Racism and Cold War Black Radicalism to have been used by the CIA for smear campaigns. Human Events rapidly evolved as one of the standard-bearers for American conservatism, and continues to provide space to far-right provocateurs including Buchanan, and Ann Coulter who once dismissed child immigrants filmed crying under the stress of desperate conditions imposed during the Trump administration as whining actors, admonishing the president to “not fall for it.” Steve Bannon, referred to by Berlet, who for eight months served as Chief Strategist and Senior Counsel to President Trump, was executive chairman of the alt-right platform, Breitbart News until 2018.

After the campaign, and the 2016 presidential election, it became clear that the vision of the original America First and “the destruction of the administrative state," a phrase Washington Post opinion columnist Greg Sargent suggests was shorthand for “national regulations and international commitments created by allegedly unaccountable bureaucrats who are supposedly disenfranchising U. S. workers and weakening American sovereignty,” had once again seeped into the political psyche.' @Coup in Dallas


Further evidence of the continuity, the rolling coup of 1963: Podcast "America First with Sebastian Gorka", former Hungarian policy adviser and politician, alleged member of the neo-fascist Vitenzi Rend of Hungary, and President Trump's Deputy Assistant and senior counter-terrorism advisor.  He was once described as [Victor} Orban's Man in the Trump White House.* A well-sourced analysis by Human Rights First — whose board includes Kerry Kennedy, daughter of RFK and president of his Center for Human Rights —  provides further understanding of the close ties Mr. Gorka maintains with his motherland, Hungary. This also provides insight into the mindset that might possibly influence those defenders of convicted Hungarian assassin Lajos Marton — the centerpiece of recent debate and threat. @Michael Griffith 
 

Public supporter of the neo-fascist paramilitary “Hungarian Guard”

When asked in 2007 whether he supported Jobbik’s plan to create a paramilitary militia during a televised interview, Gorka responded affirmatively “that is so.”19 During the show, a headline banner ran underneath Gorka which read “UDK [Gorka’s new political party] Supports the Hungarian Guard.” The UDK later reiterated Gorka’s support for the militia on its website. . . . 

In his television appearance, while distancing the UDK itself from Jobbik’s plan to create the Hungarian Guard, Gorka defended his organization’s support by noting that the Guard would serve “a big societal need.”

 

. . . Multiple leaders1 of the modern-day “Historical Vitézi Rend” and other Hungarian politicians unaffiliated with the group have stated that Gorka is an official member of the organization.2 The “Historical Vitézi Rend” is a reconstitution of the World War II era “Vitézi Rend” (“Order of Heroes”), which Hungarian historians describe as a virulently nationalist, antisemitic group originally established by Admiral Miklos Horthy, a self-avowed antisemite and collaborator with Hitler.3 The State Department designated the Vitézi Rend as having been “under the direction of the National Socialist Government of Germany during World War II,”

. . . When he [Gorka] appeared on U.S. television ... with the medal of the Vitez Order ... it made me really proud.”8 Several people interviewed by NBC in the Hungarian town where Gorka ran for mayor in 2006 said it was well- known that Gorka was a member of the Vitezi Rend, and that he made no effort to hide his membership while campaigning.
https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/hrf-factsheet-gorka.pdf

*Human Rights Watch describes Victor Orban as having hijacked public institutions, attacked the independence of courts, and left almost no independent media standing. He has criminalized basic democratic activities by civil society organizations, attacked the rights of LGBT and transgender people, and banned same-sex unions.

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Edited April 17, 2023 by Leslie Sharp