Out of the Darkness and into the Light

[James DiEugenio]

First the October Surprise and now Wuhan. 

Those conspiracy people are tin foiled hat types?  No, they are as Oliver Stone said on Rogan, Truth Seekers.

Matt Taibbi writes: "This is a major story, contradicting early official explanations pointing to zoonotic cross-species “spillover” at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, colloquially known as the Wuhan wet market. The mystery bat or pangolin suspected of transmitting the disease to humans at that market was never found. The Public story for the first time asserts the source of contamination: a Wuhan Institute scientist fell ill after exposure to a virus engineered at his place of work."

[James DiEugenio]

And take a look at this one.

Bobby is going around the MSM which is trying to kill him.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4050002-rfk-jr-ranks-higher-in-favorability-vs-major-2024-candidates-poll/

[Matt Allison]

3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

The Public story for the first time asserts the source of contamination: a Wuhan Institute scientist fell ill after exposure to a virus engineered at his place of work

Is that different than what was reported a couple years ago?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/u-s-intel-report-identified-3-wuhan-lab-researchers-who-n1268327

[Benjamin Cole]

I sure hope RFK Jr. prevails and wins the White House, primarily to open up the JFK Records.

Perhaps that will lead to a much needed assessment of the scope and scale of the security state. 

 

[Michael Griffith]

11 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

First the October Surprise and now Wuhan. 

Those conspiracy people are tin foiled hat types?  No, they are as Oliver Stone said on Rogan, Truth Seekers.

Matt Taibbi writes: "This is a major story, contradicting early official explanations pointing to zoonotic cross-species “spillover” at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, colloquially known as the Wuhan wet market. The mystery bat or pangolin suspected of transmitting the disease to humans at that market was never found. The Public story for the first time asserts the source of contamination: a Wuhan Institute scientist fell ill after exposure to a virus engineered at his place of work."

This is the tip of the iceberg. Fox News and Newsmax TV have been carrying some great reports about the Chinese scientist who defected because she realized what the Chinese government wanted her to do with the Corona virus. 

And, not to be partisan, but surely no one believes that the current occupant of the White House is going to do anything about this stuff. 

[Sandy Larsen]

1 hour ago, Michael Griffith said:

And, not to be partisan, but surely no one believes that the current occupant of the White House is going to do anything about this stuff. 

 

I think it's highly likely that the current occupant of the White House has already, and is still currently doing, something about it. In secret. Trying to avert another world war.

 

[Sandy Larsen]

 

Somebody please tell me what this topic has to do with the JFK assassination.

 

[Michael Griffith]

36 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I think it's highly likely that the current occupant of the White House has already, and is still currently doing, something about it. In secret. Trying to avert another world war.

Wow. Well. I hope you're right. 

[Matt Allison]

4 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

And, not to be partisan, but surely no one believes that the current occupant of the White House is going to do anything about this stuff. 

 

If you're going to be so willingly misled, misinformed, and generally wrong about anything related to President Biden, please keep it out the JFK Forum.

 

"President Biden signed a bill in March that requires the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to declassify all information relating to investigations between the Wuhan Institute and the origins of COVID-19 and send the info in a report to Congress. The law specifically requests details on the identities and roles of the researchers who got sick in the fall of 2019."

https://nypost.com/2023/06/13/wuhan-scientists-were-the-first-to-contract-covid-19-report/

[James DiEugenio]

4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Somebody please tell me what this topic has to do with the JFK assassination.

 

Sandy, i think its obvious.  People for years denied the October Surprise as people like Bob Parry said it happened.  Well finally they have admitted it happened. Even in the NY  TImes.

For years they said CV 19 came from some bat at some kind of market and then jumped species. Fauci firmly denied it was manufactured in a lab and contaminated a worker.

Turns out he was wrong and now there will be a general acceptance that was a false story. The question now becomes who was sponsoring the gain of function experiment.

The reason I linked this to Bobby doing well, if this: are we finally going to have a candidate who admits the JFK murder was a conspiracy and will assiduously declassify everything?  So we can finally show how it happened?

Hey, maybe its finally in the cards.

Alex Sill's new article at K and K is about this very subject.

 

[W. Niederhut]

20 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

First the October Surprise and now Wuhan. 

Those conspiracy people are tin foiled hat types?  No, they are as Oliver Stone said on Rogan, Truth Seekers.

Matt Taibbi writes: "This is a major story, contradicting early official explanations pointing to zoonotic cross-species “spillover” at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, colloquially known as the Wuhan wet market. The mystery bat or pangolin suspected of transmitting the disease to humans at that market was never found. The Public story for the first time asserts the source of contamination: a Wuhan Institute scientist fell ill after exposure to a virus engineered at his place of work."

Jim,

     Can you elaborate on this Lab Leak Theory?

      Is the theory that the Chinese government, the U.S., another government, Bill Gates, and/or Dr. Fauci conspired to unleash COVID as a bio-weapon?

      Is Taibbi's latest theory that the Chinese or U.S. governments deliberately lied about COVID-19's origins for some reason?

[Anthony Thorne]

There's a few theories going around, depending who you read. They range from 'it was accidentally leaked' to 'it was leaked intentionally by the Chinese' to 'it was leaked by the US but was intended to only cripple China' to 'it was either leaked or an accident, no-one is sure exactly which, but various US and Chinese officials are so tightly linked on the topic that none of them want to dig too deep to get answers'.

RFK Jr's next book is entitled The Wuhan Cover Up, and is out in just over a month. It's on Amazon here.

https://www.amazon.com/Wuhan-Cover-Up-Officials-Conspired-Childrens/dp/1510773983/ref=sr_1_1?crid=YF08W0JBWNEZ&keywords=wuhan+cover+up&qid=1686874995&s=books&sprefix=wuhan+cover%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C267&sr=1-1

The listing notes - 

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Gain-of-function” experiments are often conducted to deliberately develop highly virulent, easily transmissible pathogens for the stated purpose of developing preemptive vaccines for animal viruses before they jump to humans. More insidious is the “dual use” nature of this research, specifically directed toward bioweapons development.
 
The Wuhan Cover-Up pulls back the curtain on how the US government's increase in biosecurity spending after the 2001 terror attacks—facilitated by Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)—set in motion a plan to transform the NIAID into a de facto Defense Department agency.
 
While Dr. Fauci zealously funded and pursued gain-of-function research, concern grew among some scientists and government officials about the potential for accidental or deliberate release of weaponized viruses from labs that might trigger worldwide pandemics. A moratorium was placed on this research, but true to form, Dr. Fauci found ways to continue unperturbed—outsourcing some of the most controversial experiments offshore to China and providing federal funding to Wuhan Institute of Virology's (WIV's) leading researchers for gain-of-function studies in partnership with the Chinese military and the Chinese Communist Party.
 
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., whose meticulously researched and rigorously sourced analysis, leads readers on a staggering journey to learn about: 

• the key enablers and henchmen pushing for gain-of-function research 
• the economic motives behind gain-of-function research 
• successfully engineered “chimeric viruses” that can infect and kill humans 
• the coordinated effort to silence speculation of COVID-19’s laboratory genesis 
• the complicity of scientific journals to hide the origins of COVID-19 
• the role of the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China’s biowarfare/biodefense program 
• the relationships between US health, military, and intelligence bureaucracies and scientists and their Chinese counterparts 
• the roles of Bill Gates and Sir Jeremy Farrar in helping to orchestrate China’s global cover-up 

 The Wuhan Cover-Up unveils a global conspiracy of epic proportion and lethal consequence.

 

Among other things (obviously) RFK Jr's book makes note of the increase in biosecurity spending, and how various parties and groups benefited from this. Anyone interested in that topic should check out Susan Wright's 50-page academic thesis Terrorists and Biological Weapons - Forging the Linkage in the Clinton Administration. It's online here

http://websites.umich.edu/~spwright/articles/WRIGHT.pdf

In her thesis, Wright singled out Joshua Lederberg as being the number one figure pushing for exactly that goal in the 90's (in his case, over warnings of a future anthrax attack). Lederberg was an advisor to and business associate of Dick Cheney, and in Lederberg's papers there are letters from Cheney thanking Lederberg and asking him to return to advisory groups that Cheney was using throughout the George HW Bush admin. In the articles I've seen on some of the stuff mentioned by RFK Jr above, some names being touted all worked with or under Lederberg, and they appear to be pushing the same goals for profit since Lederberg's death in 2008. (Lederberg is cited in the final essay in COUP IN DALLAS, as he was joined at the hip to various folk who were repeatedly pushing for defense industry profits).

There's a few rabbit holes and tip-of-the-iceberg scenarios going around with biological warfare research and the Biden admin at the moment, one of them being labs in Ukraine being potentially used on the sly to develop viruses that could ethnically target citizens in nearby Russia. An Australian medical institute in Melbourne was named in recent stories as helping out with the research (you send us the materials, we'll use our scientists to help give info and advice), and some health advisors to government looked very uncomfortable when Senator Gerard Riddick asked a couple of questions about it (during a COVID enquiry) on camera a month or two ago.

 

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by Anthony Thorne

[W. Niederhut]

20 minutes ago, Anthony Thorne said:

There's a few theories going around, depending who you read. They range from 'it was accidentally leaked' to 'it was leaked intentionally by the Chinese' to 'it was leaked by the US but was intended to only cripple China' to 'it was either leaked or an accident, no-one is sure exactly which, but various US and Chinese officials are so tightly linked on the topic that none of them want to dig too deep to get answers'.

RFK Jr's next book is entitled The Wuhan Cover Up, and is out in just over a month. It's on Amazon here.

https://www.amazon.com/Wuhan-Cover-Up-Officials-Conspired-Childrens/dp/1510773983/ref=sr_1_1?crid=YF08W0JBWNEZ&keywords=wuhan+cover+up&qid=1686874995&s=books&sprefix=wuhan+cover%2Cstripbooks-intl-ship%2C267&sr=1-1

The listing notes - 

Among other things (obviously) RFK Jr's book makes note of the increase in biosecurity spending, and how various parties and groups benefited from this. Anyone interested in that topic should check out Susan Wright's 50-page academic thesis Terrorists and Biological Weapons - Forging the Linkage in the Clinton Administration. It's online here

http://websites.umich.edu/~spwright/articles/WRIGHT.pdf

In her thesis, Wright singled out Joshua Lederberg as being the number one figure pushing for exactly that goal in the 90's (in his case, over warnings of a future anthrax attack). Lederberg was an advisor to and business associate of Dick Cheney, and in Lederberg's papers there are letters from Cheney thanking Lederberg and asking him to return to advisory groups that Cheney was using throughout the George HW Bush admin. In the articles I've seen on some of the stuff mentioned by RFK Jr above, some names being touted all worked with or under Lederberg, and they appear to be pushing the same goals for profit since Lederberg's death in 2008. (Lederberg is cited in the final essay in COUP IN DALLAS, as he was joined at the hip to various folk who were repeatedly pushing for defense industry profits).

There's a few rabbit holes and tip-of-the-iceberg scenarios going around with biological warfare research and the Biden admin at the moment, one of them being labs in Ukraine being potentially used on the sly to develop viruses that could ethnically target citizens in nearby Russia. An Australian medical institute in Melbourne was named in recent stories as helping out with the research (you send us the materials, we'll use our scientists to help give info and advice), and some health advisors to government looked very uncomfortable when Senator Gerard Riddick asked a couple of questions about it (during a COVID enquiry) on camera a month or two ago.

 

 

Thanks, Anthony.

Given the numerous inaccuracies in RFK, Jr.'s other anti-vaccine publications, I'll have to do some research on this one.

For example, RFK, Jr. has promoted the debunked theory that vaccines cause autism.

A few obvious holes in RFK's theory come immediately to mind.  For instance, why would the Chinese government collaborate with the U.S. government on bio-weapons research?

Also hasn't the alleged Ukrainian bio-weapons lab claim been exposed as Russian propaganda?

Edited June 16, 2023 by W. Niederhut

[Anthony Thorne]

31 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

For instance, why would the Chinese government collaborate with the U.S. government on bio-weapons research?

I can't speak for the many US government scientists that regularly collaborate with Chinese ones. The US isn't at war with Chine so maybe joint bio-weapons research wasn't verboten back in the day. I doubt either side would be overly thrilled to continue similar research at the moment.

 

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FACT SHEET: U.S.-CHINA SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COOPERATION HIGHLIGHTS: 32 YEARS OF COLLABORATION

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/st-fact-sheet.pdf

U.S. public health officials are working with Chinese counterparts under a variety of cooperative ventures in the areas of disease prevention and control, including conducting epidemiological research; investigating outbreaks of emerging and reemerging disease including pandemic influenza, salmonellosis, SARS, and enterovirus 71; providing more than 1,500 individuals with rapid-response training; and providing technical assistance in the area of HIV/AIDS.

 

 

 

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Also hasn't the alleged Ukrainian bio-weapons lab claim been exposed as Russian propaganda?

I'm confident every single mainstream US media outlet has called it this, and numerous non mainstream outlets that I've seen have stated the opposite. My own take, I'm sure NATO is involved with standard weapons research concerning nukes and regular armaments, others will need to be the judge as to whether accompanying biological warfare research seems logical or a forbidden step too far. I haven't read RFK's new book yet, so I'll be curious if he talks about it.

[Matt Allison]

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

hasn't the alleged Ukrainian bio-weapons lab claim been exposed as Russian propaganda?

Yes, a long time ago. Total bunk.