James DiEugenio Posted June 16, 2023 Author Share Posted June 16, 2023 Its not total bunk, there were 46 US financed biolabs in Ukraine. That is is a DOD document. What they were for and what they were doing will never be known for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: Its not total bunk, there were 46 US financed biolabs in Ukraine. That is is a DOD document. What they were for and what they were doing will never be known for sure. Fact-check: Are there 46 U.S. military-funded biolabs in Ukraine? https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/18/fact-check-pentagon-military-funded-labs-ukraine-russia-invasion/7646221001/ [T]hese are mischaracterizations. The document doesn’t contain any evidence — new or otherwise — of U.S. biolabs in Ukraine. The 46 facilities referenced in the articles and in the government’s fact sheet are owned and operated by Ukraine, and information about the facilities’ existence has been made publicly available by the Pentagon for some time. </q> Edited June 16, 2023 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Govus Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Cliff beat me to it! Quote The Defense Department’s Cooperative Threat Reduction program "has provided technical support to the Ukrainian Ministry of Health since 2005 to improve public health laboratories, whose mission is analogous to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention," Weber said. Also known as the Nunn-Lugar program, the initiative began after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 as a project aimed at dismantling and securing leftover weapons of mass destruction programs in former Soviet countries. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jun/15/blog-posting/pentagon-didnt-admit-there-are-46-us-funded-biolab/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 11 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: For years they said CV 19 came from some bat at some kind of market and then jumped species. Fauci firmly denied it was manufactured in a lab and contaminated a worker. For years? Bit of an exaggeration. Timeline of What Dr. Fauci Has Said About the Wuhan Lab and COVID's Origins https://www.newsweek.com/timeline-what-dr-fauci-has-said-about-wuhan-lab-covids-origins-1594698 May 25, 2021 (emphasis added) Fauci has faced backlash for adjusting his stance on the COVID-19 response over the course of the pandemic, including the issue of mask-wearing, but has defended changing his views as knowledge of the virus evolved. Having once dismissed the possibility that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the source of the novel coronavirus as a "circular argument," his admission this month that the lab could be the starting point prompted criticism. </q> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted June 16, 2023 Author Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) LOL, Poilitfact! 😀ROTF. James Corbett, one of the best podcasters there is, did an excellent takedown on this whole racket. Edited June 16, 2023 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted June 16, 2023 Author Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) Two other points: AZT and AIDS Mercury: remember when the CDC said there was a good mercury and a bad mercury. I think the Powers That Be are getting really worried about RFK Jr, since with him, the JFK case may be the next tall tale to go. Edited June 16, 2023 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: LOL, Poilitfact! 😀ROTF. James Corbett, one of the best podcasters there is, did an excellent takedown on this whole racket. Did the DOD document admit to 46 US bio labs in Ukraine— or not? Without receipts, this is just another contentless dismissal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 9 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: Its not total bunk, there were 46 US financed biolabs in Ukraine. That is is a DOD document. What they were for and what they were doing will never be known for sure. How Russia's false biolab story was echoed by the U.S. far right : NPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted June 16, 2023 Author Share Posted June 16, 2023 Ok William: The Atlantic Council HRC's Media Matters And. a Russian specialist at a US college--Dimitri Simes anyone? Like NPR does not have the money to send someone to Ukraine to check on this for himself with a neutral chemical professor from say Italy? So instead of that, we get oh" Look Tucker Carlson, the same guy who said the CIA killed Kennedy." This is the state of journalism in America today. And its why its held in such low esteem, not just cable but the MSM. And its why people are escaping to other venues and its why RFK pulled 21 million on Elon Musk. Whether that is good or bad does not matter, its happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 1:40 AM, James DiEugenio said: LOL, Poilitfact! 😀ROTF. Yeah, that's how I feel too. That's the reason I go to Snopes -- which has never steered me wrong -- for fact checking. https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/24/us-biolabs-ukraine-russia/ Snopes has declared the Ukrainian biolabs to be FALSE propaganda from Russia, used to justify their invasion of Ukraine. You guys need to stop your coddling of Putin. He's an evil, evil man. Sorry Jim. You are usually right. But you are wrong on this issue. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 19 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: Ok William: The Atlantic Council HRC's Media Matters And. a Russian specialist at a US college--Dimitri Simes anyone? What? Do these three believe there are ~46 American supported biolabs in Ukraine working on weapons grade biological material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said: Snopes has declared the Ukrainian biolabs to be FALSE propaganda from Russia, used to justify their invasion of Ukraine. Well, okay.... I agree that it's conceivable that there are such American financed labs in Ukraine. But without evidence to indicate so, there is no reason to think that there are. I mean.... anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 Sandy, you are unaware of what happened at Snopes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: Sandy, you are unaware of what happened at Snopes? No. Plagiarist Mikkelson was banned from writing articles for Snopes, and is now no longer a co-owner of Snopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Thorne Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) On 6/18/2023 at 1:29 AM, Sandy Larsen said: Well, okay.... I agree that it's conceivable that there are such American financed labs in Ukraine. But without evidence to indicate so, there is no reason to think that there are. I mean.... anything is possible. I'm not sure why you're treating the presence of American-financed labs in the Ukraine as possible, but unconfirmed. Did you read the Snopes article and follow the initial 'debunking' link that it provided? The second paragraph of the Snopes article says this. Quote The claim that the U.S. is operating secret biolabs in Ukraine is one that has been repeatedly spread by Russian propagandists since at least 2018. As part of the Snopes expose of Russian propaganda, they send us to this debunking link. https://www.codastory.com/disinformation/does-the-us-have-a-secret-germ-warfare-lab-on-russias-doorstep/ And it then notes the following. Quote But the Kremlin refuses to accept that the U.S. government has spent $350 million of taxpayers’ money to build a research center on Russia’s doorstep simply to deal with public health hazards. Quote we asked if we could see the lab for ourselves. Its official name is the Richard G. Lugar Center for Public Health Research, and it is housed in a specially-built complex just off the main road to Tbilisi’s international airport. It is equipped to what’s known as Bio-Safety Level III (BSL III) standards, which means it can handle all but a handful of the most dangerous known microbes, including anthrax and the bacteria that causes bubonic plague. Our credentials were checked before our visit, and we were searched when we entered the complex — though the security precautions hardly seemed out of the ordinary. As part of our tour, we were shown what is regarded as the lab’s most sensitive area, its store of “Especially Dangerous Pathogens” (EDPs), a high-security repository of lethal bacteria and viruses collected by scientists. It is known as the “pathogen museum.” Even though many of these EDP samples were originally procured in Soviet times, some Russian media reports have speculated that this store is the basis of a bio-weapons arsenal. Its work was so tightly under wraps, that residents had dubbed it “a secret Pentagon station.” — Russian TV reporter. On one Russian point there is no dispute. The Tbilisi laboratory, as well as an associated network of smaller monitoring facilities across the country, was funded by the U.S. Department of Defense. So the labs are there, they're funded by the Department of Defense, and they have a lot of lethal bacteria and viruses collected there for research. The distinction between the US and Russian explanations for this, are that the Russians feel that the Pentagon built a bio lab containing lethal viruses on their border for nefarious reasons, and the US government says its purpose is benevolent. Does the Pentagon have many other projects on the go at the moment that are funded for altruistic reasons just to help out the world? I guess If this is one, maybe there are others. Edited June 18, 2023 by Anthony Thorne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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