James DiEugenio Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) According to Paul Bleau there is also interesting stuff in there about Oswald in Russia, and according to Bart Kamp about Gibson of the FPCC. Edited June 28, 2023 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crane Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: Clue me in. What is SOG/ Were they self-directed, or more of an arm of intel agencies? I don't know quite honestly. I happen to stumble upon them talking about DEVGRU Operators. They are the highest & most secretive intelligence group from what I have been reading. Is SOG used by the military? Activated in January of 1964, SOG was a joint services unit composed of members from all four branches of the armed forces, including Navy SEALs, Marine Recons, Air Force Special Operations pilots of the 90th Special Operations Wing, but predominantly Army Special Forces. The Studies and Observations Group Foundation. The Studies and Observations Group (also known as SOG, MACSOG, and MACV-SOG) was a top secret, joint unconventional warfare task force created on 24 January 1964 by the Joint Chiefs of Staff as a subsidiary command of the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV). Edited June 28, 2023 by Michael Crane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Crane said: I don't know quite honestly. I happen to stumble upon them talking about DEVGRU Operators. The are the highest & most secretive intelligence group from what I have been reading. Is SOG used by the military? Activated in January of 1964, SOG was a joint services unit composed of members from all four branches of the armed forces, including Navy SEALs, Marine Recons, Air Force Special Operations pilots of the 90th Special Operations Wing, but predominantly Army Special Forces. The Studies and Observations Group Foundation. The Studies and Observations Group (also known as SOG, MACSOG, and MACV-SOG) was a top secret, joint unconventional warfare task force created on 24 January 1964 by the Joint Chiefs of Staff as a subsidiary command of the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV). MC--Thanks. Learn something everyday. There seems an endless plethora of intel agencies, sub-agencies, inter-agency groups, units, black ops, black budgets, etc etc etc. Then, you have private-sector cut-outs and mercs. Since 9/11, on steroids, all of it. New Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump is “being really dumb” by taking on the intelligence community and its assessments on Russia’s cyber activities. “Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow. (Jan. 2017) RFK Jr. next? Edited June 28, 2023 by Benjamin Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 There are some good history resources on SOG - I would recommend Black Ops Vietnam; The Operational History of MACVSOG. https://www.amazon.com/Black-Ops-Vietnam-Operational-History/dp/1591143217 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Bainbridge Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 15 hours ago, Michael Crane said: 1st document I clicked on. What was the 'main Oswald file' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Gram Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Matt Allison said: Don't know if this is new, but on page 94 of CIA officer Sturbitts interview he says it was twice determined via internal CIA review that Howard Hunt took a sick day on 11.22.63 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2023/178-10002-10091.pdf Check the previous release of Sturbitts’ testimony. I know there was one in Dec. 2022 but I’m not sure if there have been any additional redactions removed since then. Sturbitts’ comments about Bill Kent and anti-Castro funding channels through New Orleans are worth mentioning, since there is no evidence, at least that I’ve seen, that ROCKCOM ever interviewed Kent, which is ridiculous. Sturbitts referred the Committee to Kent and even said that Kent was in the building at the time of his testimony. Anyone digging through the releases should keep an eye out for any references to Kent or an “anonymous former JMWAVE officer”, etc. in ROCKCOM files. Kent was definitely interviewed, so those documents either got deep-sixed or they are buried in the ARC somewhere. Either that or the interview was informal and never put on paper… Robert Reynolds has the probably the best site on the internet for info on the JFK Collection. He’s got some fascinating articles and he keeps track of all the remaining redactions in each release: http://jfkarc.info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Boylan Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 William Kent's personnel file. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2023/104-10291-10022.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Gram Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, David Boylan said: William Kent's personnel file. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2023/104-10291-10022.pdf Oh great. I’ll check this out. The MFF copy has several redactions I was curious about. Thanks David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Boylan Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Kent's Intel Medal extract minus a few redactions. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2023/104-10303-10003.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Odisio Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 In a section discussing ZRRifle, there appears a section called staffers___selection, which includes these entries. 😎 Former resistance personnel a possibility. 11) Silverthorne The pilot who allegedly flew the assassin(s) out of Dallas that weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 There are also a bunch of Presidential Daily Intelligence briefs from the week after the assassination; at least some of these have been released before, I assume with some redactions. The thing that stands out to me with these has always been that Vietnam was THE #1 issue, every single day, and Cuba is usually not even mentioned. At all. The distinct impression given is that Cuba had indeed been relegated to an afterthought after the missile crisis, and the focus from the intelligence/military community was 100% on Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crane Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Eddy Bainbridge said: What was the 'main Oswald file' ? An interesting file indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crane Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Larry Hancock said: There are some good history resources on SOG - I would recommend Black Ops Vietnam; The Operational History of MACVSOG. https://www.amazon.com/Black-Ops-Vietnam-Operational-History/dp/1591143217 Thanks Larry, My nosey/interested self enjoys secret stuff. Edited June 28, 2023 by Michael Crane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 CIA assessment of a future with LBJ, compiled 4 days after the assassination: https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2023/177-10002-10092.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 12:45 AM, Matt Allison said: There are also a bunch of Presidential Daily Intelligence briefs from the week after the assassination; at least some of these have been released before, I assume with some redactions. The thing that stands out to me with these has always been that Vietnam was THE #1 issue, every single day, and Cuba is usually not even mentioned. At all. The distinct impression given is that Cuba had indeed been relegated to an afterthought after the missile crisis, and the focus from the intelligence/military community was 100% on Vietnam. The above interview with Sen Richard Russell. c 1964 is amazing. Russell was known as a national authority on US security, having seriously serviced as chr. of Senate Armed Services Committee for 18 years. Even he was out of the loop on Vietnam (!), as you can see in this interview. He expressed the same surprise...it was Cuba, Cuba, Cuba and then overnight Vietnam. This says to me there was a small group inside the executive branch or intel state, that instigated US participation in Vietnam. Why LBJ went along with such a losing proposition continues to puzzle...and soon LBJ rued the day he did so. One perspective is when the intel state gets fresh meat in the White House they immediately pounce with scare stories. Ponder Obama's surge into Afghanistan. Who on earth would believe that was necessary for US national security? But Obama was cowed. The nice thing about RFK Jr. is that he can withstand the sort of pressure most Presidents cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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