Trump told Roger Stone that He "Won't Believe" What's in the Classified JFK Assassination Files

[Kirk Gallaway]

9 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

At this late date, surely AG Garland is aware what has happened regarding the JFK Records Act, within the Administration in which he serves.

Does the AG have any obligation at this point to try to enforce the law? 

 

Come on Ben, you most of all should know Garland's got a lot on his plate.

Beyond what Jonathan says, staying up all night trying to conjure up phony charges against Trump.

He's also:

Protecting Ray Epps and the FBI from their role of starting the 1/6 riots!

Protecting Hunter Biden, which I think we all know now includes offing that informant that Comer can no longer find.

That's not as easy to do as you might think!

[Pat Speer]

I don't have the energy to read through all this stuff, but saw some discussion of the Office of Legal Counsel. I did a lot of research on it once upon a time. Its primary role differs from the AG. While the AG is responsible for enforcing the laws, the OLC is essentially a mob lawyer for the President, coming up with bs rationale for his breaking the law. When Bush wanted to torture people, for example, he "consulted" with the OLC, and they came up with some cock-a-mamie argument that torture was legal. When you look back through history you see this over and over. The President wants to engage in some questionable behavior, and the OLC comes up with a questionable claim it's legal. It is primarily a political position, and the heads of OLC have routinely been rewarded for their service to the President and disservice to the country...some even with seats on the Supreme Court. 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Pat Speer

[Lawrence Schnapf]

@Pat Speer i have essentially written the same things as Pat though without his colorful language  

[Keyvan Shahrdar]

I'll provide you with a probable insight into the non-censored documents. They may contain subtle hints suggesting Russia's involvement in JFK's assassination. This, however, could be entirely false, serving as a pretext to maintain secrecy and prevent us from understanding what truly transpired.

[Leslie Sharp]

4 hours ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

I'll provide you with a probable insight into the non-censored documents. They may contain subtle hints suggesting Russia's involvement in JFK's assassination. This, however, could be entirely false, serving as a pretext to maintain secrecy and prevent us from understanding what truly transpired.

Why limit speculation to Russia.  Is it possible that one or more of America's closest allies — then and now — failed to impede, or alert, or provide information post-assassination. Revelation of said documents would upend the delicate balance with Europe, and the stability of NATO.  My candidates are: Spain. France. West Germany. with Ireland the outlier.  In that order. 

Remember that Chancellor Adenauer's Bundeswehr generals — who also led NATO at the time (and at least one of whom was a convicted N-azi war criminal) —  were meeting with US Joint Chiefs in the Gold Room of the Pentagon on Friday, November 22.

Edited July 8, 2023 by Leslie Sharp

[Lawrence Schnapf]

A recently released document involves a request to Russia to turnover KGB files on Oswald. The response from the Russian was:  "Since the USG did nor deign to make public all material pertaining to its own investigation of the kennedy assassination, why should he be pressured into surrendering his file." 

[Keyvan Shahrdar]

1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Why limit speculation to Russia.  Is it possible that one or more of America's closest allies — then and now — failed to impede, or alert, or provide information post-assassination. Revelation of said documents would upend the delicate balance with Europe, and the stability of NATO.  My candidates are: Spain. France. West Germany. with Ireland the outlier.  In that order. 

Remember that Chancellor Adenauer's Bundeswehr generals — who also led NATO at the time (and at least one of whom was a convicted N-azi war criminal) —  were meeting with US Joint Chiefs in the Gold Room of the Pentagon on Friday, November 22.

Konrad Adenauer was the first Chancellor of West Germany from 1949 to 1963. During his tenure, he was a key figure in the establishment of the Bundeswehr, the German armed forces, in 1955. However, he wouldn't have been in office on November 22, 1963, as he had already resigned on October 16, 1963.  Why would he have a meeting with the US Joint Chiefs in the Gold Room if he was not in power?

[Benjamin Cole]

6 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

I don't have the energy to read through all this stuff, but saw some discussion of the Office of Legal Counsel. I did a lot of research on it once upon a time. Its primary role differs from the AG. While the AG is responsible for enforcing the laws, the OLC is essentially a mob lawyer for the President, coming up with bs rationale for his breaking the law. When Bush wanted to torture people, for example, he "consulted" with the OLC, and they came up with some cock-a-mamie argument that torture was legal. When you look back through history you see this over and over. The President wants to engage in some questionable behavior, and the OLC comes up with a questionable claim it's legal. It is primarily a political position, and the heads of OLC have routinely been rewarded for their service to the President and disservice to the country...some even with seats on the Supreme Court. 

PS-

I am not contesting your version of the OLC, or that of Schnapf. In fact, I likely agree, although I have never read a book or even lengthy article on the OLC. 

What I am wondering about is whether the OLC would not send an advisory to AG Garland to the effect----

"Be ready, you might get asked questions by the media or Congress. We plan to issue an executive order on the JFK records Act, pretty much protecting those documents still under wraps. The executive order will get challenged in the courts, and perhaps even in Congressional hearings." 

Even mob lawyers will send a note (or phone call) to the "legitimate" front lawyer, no? 

Obviously, the OLC must have known it was doing something underhanded...we know that from the "Friday night massacre" timing of the news release regarding the Biden snuff job. 

No, I cannot prove Garland was consulted, or even advised, on the JFK Records Act. 

I find it hard to believe he was unaware of what was going on regarding the JDK Records Act.

As I say, this was not a revised schedule of sheep land allotments in the Bureau of Land Management. There was likely to be some press coverage (sad to say, almost none, a whole 'nother stpry). 

 

 

 

[Leslie Sharp]

8 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

Konrad Adenauer was the first Chancellor of West Germany from 1949 to 1963. During his tenure, he was a key figure in the establishment of the Bundeswehr, the German armed forces, in 1955. However, he wouldn't have been in office on November 22, 1963, as he had already resigned on October 16, 1963.  Why would he have a meeting with the US Joint Chiefs in the Gold Room if he was not in power?

Please read carefully: Chancellor Adenauer's Bundeswehr generals. . .

Yes, Adenauer who handpicked the original cast of generals, had been replaced by Ludwig Erhard who, by the way, was the first foreign leader to visit the new president at his Hill Country ranch in December 1963.  

Another poignant anecdote seldom noticed: M/M Werner von Braun (beneficiaries of Operation Paperclip) were scheduled to attend a cocktail party with President Kennedy and Jackie on Monday, November 25.  It's possible the brilliant scientist's "former" N-azi parteigenosse were scheduled to attend as well.

[Keyvan Shahrdar]

18 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Please read carefully: Chancellor Adenauer's Bundeswehr generals. . .

Yes, Adenauer who handpicked the original cast of generals, had been replaced by Ludwig Erhard who, by the way, was the first foreign leader to visit the new president at his Hill Country ranch in December 1963.  

Another poignant anecdote seldom noticed: M/M Werner von Braun (beneficiaries of Operation Paperclip) were scheduled to attend a cocktail party with President Kennedy and Jackie on Monday, November 25.  It's possible the brilliant scientist's "former" N-azi parteigenosse were scheduled to attend as well.

It appears you're interested in a complex period of post-World War II history involving a range of figures and events. Ludwig Erhard indeed succeeded Konrad Adenauer as the Chancellor of West Germany in 1963. Erhard was known for his role in the economic recovery of West Germany following the war, a period often referred to as the "economic miracle" or "Wirtschaftswunder."

As for Werner von Braun, he was a German and later American aerospace engineer and space architect. He was one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in National Socialist Germany and later in the United States. He, along with several other German scientists, were brought to the U.S. as part of Operation Paperclip, a secret program of the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency largely carried out by the Special Agents of Army CIC.

The information about the scheduled meeting between President Kennedy and the von Brauns on November 25, 1963, as well as the potential presence of von Braun's former National Socialist colleagues, is not commonly known. It would be interesting to verify this from reliable sources. Please note that the context and the intentions of such meetings would have been subject to the political and diplomatic circumstances of that time.

[Leslie Sharp]

1 minute ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

It appears you're interested in a complex period of post-World War II history involving a range of figures and events. Ludwig Erhard indeed succeeded Konrad Adenauer as the Chancellor of West Germany in 1963. Erhard was known for his role in the economic recovery of West Germany following the war, a period often referred to as the "economic miracle" or "Wirtschaftswunder."

As for Werner von Braun, he was a German and later American aerospace engineer and space architect. He was one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in National Socialist Germany and later in the United States. He, along with several other German scientists, were brought to the U.S. as part of Operation Paperclip, a secret program of the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency largely carried out by the Special Agents of Army CIC.

The information about the scheduled meeting between President Kennedy and the von Brauns on November 25, 1963, as well as the potential presence of von Braun's former National Socialist colleagues, is not commonly known. It would be interesting to verify this from reliable sources. Please note that the context and the intentions of such meetings would have been subject to the political and diplomatic circumstances of that time.

Aside from your suggestion I'm unaware of these basics, William Manchester reported the Gold Room meeting.

The invitation for the cocktail party, November 25, was reported in several news articles.

It is reasonable to deduce that given the elaborate arrangements necessary for the Pentagon meeting, and for the cocktail party, and for Erhard's trip to Johnsons' ranch, said arrangements were discussed during Kennedy's trip to Berlin in June was it?



 

[Lawrence Schnapf]

@Benjamin Cole I learned alot about how the OLC works from the document production in my lawsuit. I was not surprised since I work with government all the time in my environmental law practice but i had hoped things would be different at that level. no so....  

[Benjamin Cole]

1 minute ago, Lawrence Schnapf said:

@Benjamin Cole I learned alot about how the OLC works from the document production in my lawsuit. I was not surprised since I work with government all the time in my environmental law practice but i had hoped things would be different at that level. no so....  

Well, you are the expert, and I am just a wag, a layman. 

If you say Garland was unaware the Biden Administration was planning, and then executed, a snuff job on the JFK Records Act, then I will defer to you. 

The "Friday night massacre" timing of the JFK Records snuff job news release suggests the Biden Administration knew they were on the wrong side of the law, ethics and good governance...but I guess they could have kept the AG out of it. 

I will retain the smallest doubt in my mind, but publicly defer to you.