Sandy Larsen Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 15 hours ago, Pamela Brown said: On 9/5/2023 at 2:24 PM, Sandy Larsen said: The man had blond hair. There could also have been another entrance that did not have surveillance... Both the people that the man (the Oswald imposter) talked to in the Cuban consulate said he had blond hair. So what I'm saying has nothing to do with surveillance cameras. (Though, as an aside, two of the guys on the surveillance photos also had blond hair.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: In addition to the declassified record above produced by Mr. Josephs, the day after the assassination, no one at the Russian Embassy mentioned Oswald being there. Not only did they not mention him afterward, they did not mention him while he was supposedly actually there at the time - with the only actual taping of phones going on against the Russian compounds. That so much happens between Oct 8 and Nov 7 for the October Summary Report to be so casual about the "english speaking American" and how it was Oct 1st's transcript that supposedly connects the two calls/callers. M/M Tarasoff remain one of the most misunderstood links in the MX City chain of "evidence". According to Boris, the transcribed tapes of "those" conversation on the 27th and 28th would be in the hands of CIA/MX by Oct 1st yet nothing is said until the 8th, the day after Phillips arrives and is sent by Goodpasture and the Russian desk as they are Russian intercepts. Boris only translated Russian while his wife took care of Spanish. The first call on the 27th was in Spanish. Tarasoff sends some of these photos to a CIA friend (Millie Rodriguez) for identification and reports claim she said it was Kostikov. This info comes from NARA copies from Malcolm and is not online. RIF # 104-10307-10045 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 But that is not Kostikov right? Ed and Danny identified him as I think a guy named Moskalev? And I think they said that Goodpasture should have known him before she sent it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said: But that is not Kostikov right? Ed and Danny identified him as I think a guy named Moskalev? And I think they said that Goodpasture should have known him before she sent it up. No, that is not Kostikov. I did find this Oswald regular his right side duplicated left side Edited September 11, 2023 by David Josephs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Where did you find that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 19 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: Where did you find that? File name is: ***. nary-wcdocs-29_0018_0002 I usually write source info into the filename... Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 So was someone doing facial comparisons? What department was it and when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 6 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: So was someone doing facial comparisons? What department was it and when? I did the comparisons when I found the above glossy image... the "normal" image used for the SSS/Hidell ID at the left of the 3 is also a bit stretched. Really interesting how the different generational copies of things will change the aspect ratio depending on a variety of variables over the years. I'm sorry Jim but I don't have any more info than that right now; I'll keep looking thru my files though and see if something comes up. I haven't seen any other images of Kostikov other than that 1958 reference and this claim by Brian Litman: https://www.rferl.org/a/us-ussr-kennedy-assassination-oswald-kgb-contact-mexico-assassinations-officer/28819941.html https://medium.com/@bdlitman/col-valery-vladimirovich-kostikov-kgb-aka-comrade-kostin-33f7d730adb1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 (edited) Wasn't it Tracy Barnes who said to Belin in the early 70ties during a "hearing" that Oswald was in MC as a part of a GET CASTRO project? The whole Kostikov thing would then be a cover up for an agent (Oswald) involved in a project to kill Castro. That the same agent was used as the patsy in the killing of Kennedy was a master move by the plotters. Quotes from ME AND LEE ... by Judyth Vary Baker. Quote He (Oswald)would soon be passing out Fair Play for Cuba flyers and defending Castro’s Cuba on radio and TV, to make it safer to courier the bioweapon to Mexico City without suspicion. To disarm anti-Castroite distrust before his pro-Castro campaign began, Lee planned to muddy the waters by making an open show of offering his expertise to them. Of course, after Lee began his pro-Castro activities, the anti-Castroites would be out for blood. They would assume that Lee was probably the one who had betrayed them, but Lee hoped his courage — and obedience — would be noticed, raising his value to his handlers. (...) In the days ahead, Lee and I (Judyth Baker) were busy every day preparing for the final test of the bioweapon on a human. We also had to prepare Lee for his trip to Mexico City where he was to deliver the bioweapon to others for transport into Cuba. (...) For one thing, we had to figure out how to camouflage the bioweapon for transportation to Mexico City and Cuba in a way that would not be noticed. (...) Next we discussed the trip to Jackson, which would give Lee practice transporting the bioweapon in preparation for the trip to Mexico City. (...) Lee carried the bioweapon in his “lunch sack,” with the sandwiches. The ordinary-looking thermos bottles had clear glass liners on which the cancer cells had been grown. The liners were, in essence, giant test tubes, easily pulled from the thermos bottles. The cancer soup was decanted from one of these liners (to which it adhered, like slime) with trypsin, an enzyme, and was then prepared for injections into the volunteer. More injections from the same batch would follow, if the first injections “took.” The second liner was for backup, in case the first batch got contaminated. We hoped this same setup would successfully transfer the bioweapon toMexico City, and then to Cuba. No border inspector would guess that virulent cancer cells were being smuggled in, since the cells were invisible, and the medium itself looked (and even tasted like) weak chicken broth. (...) Friday, September 27, 1963 Lee ( with the bioweapon) arrived in Mexico City in mid-morning, where the Warren Commission claims Lee checked into a well-known hotel, but Lee told me he rented quarters at a Quaker establishment, where he pretended he was a drug dealer working for the mafia. This seems to have terrified everyone, so they completely avoided him, which is what Lee intended. That evening, the big moment finally came — the handover of the bioweapon. Lee went to the designated drop-off point — a souvenir shop, where he was supposed to meet a medical technician that would continue to keep the cells alive. But the technician failed to show. When Lee tried to contact Mr. Bishop, he was told that Bishop had flown to Washington, DC. Lee had been abandoned in Mexico City. His fears now escalated: he had justifiable visions of being arrested, interrogated, and tortured by the Mexican police, if anybody at the Quaker house reported him. The years have faded some details, but I recall that Lee reached an emergency contact, a ‘cutout’ who said he’d try to help out. This was a blonde-haired young man with a Moped. He had friends at a local university medical school. Meanwhile, Lee tried to avoid looking like a drug dealer. He went to a jai alai match and a bullfight, where he finally met his blonde-haired emergency contact. Together, they decided to go to the Cuban Consulate, for Lee now wanted to try to enter Cuba, if he could, before the bioweapon expired. Lee had a list of trusted contacts memorized, which he had been told to give to the medical technician, along with instructions on how to keep the bioweapon alive and how (and where) to make injections. He was willing to risk his life to do so. To that end, Lee visited the Cuban consulate, along with his friend. I personally believe that no U.S. spy photos showing Lee at the Cuban Consulate were saved because he was not alone in these photographs. I believe he was accompanied by the blond contact. Hence, photos of a heavyset male CIA agent were deliberately labeled with Lee’s name. Either Lee’s friend, or Lee, handed over his application for a transit visa to enter Cuba. At this time, an attractive young woman, Sylvia Duran, handled Lee’s application. She later reported that “Lee” was a blonde-haired young man, most likely to protect herself, for Duran ended up being tortured by the Mexican police at the behest of the U.S. after the assassination, to force her to confess that she’d slept with Lee. I am sure she regretted ever meeting him. As new evidence has shown, after Kennedy’s assassination it became too dangerous to implicate Lee as a pro-Castro, pro-Soviet agent, and it was decided that Lee would simply be known as “a lone nut.” Duran was then released from prison. Lee was impersonated by phone at this time as well, linking him to a Soviet spy known to be a professional assassin. As for Lee, because of his loyalty to Kennedy, and despite his belief that he was surely being set up to take a fall, he made a final attempt to get the bioweapon into Cuba. He must have played his part well, because Señora Duran invited Lee to a party — which is why the police were told to arrest her later. After the party, they went to Sylvia’s place, where he spent the night32 Lee told me that he slept with Duran to get her cooperation, hoping for vital information and help from her. He didn’t have to tell me about her, but by now, we never hid things of that nature from each other. But nothing “under the table” worked, and of course the Cuban consulate refused to approve Lee’s transit visa request on such short notice. The hurry-up request had marked Lee as a suspicious character, so Lee put on a dramatic Scarlet Pimpernel act. He made a foolish spectacle of himself. Such a fool could not possibly be important, or dangerous! Even so, Lee might have been awarded the transit visa “under the table” — it was not unheard-of— by showing a dog-like loyalty to Castro. But the ploy, which never had much of a chance of success, failed. Lee was treated rudely by the consulate staff, who again denied his request. With no transit visa and a biological weapon that was about to expire, Lee contacted the Mexico City CIA station, seeking further instructions. The CIA had previously promised Lee that he would stay in Mexico City and start a new career there as an asset. But now, Lee was ordered to return to Dallas for “debriefing.” Life in Mexico would come later: he was not to be upset about the failure of the mission, he was told, because a deadly hurricane was approaching Cuba, disrupting everything. But because the timing was off — the hurricane had been no such threat on the 26th — Lee didn’t believe a word of it. With a sense of impending doom, Lee prepared to return to Dallas. Everything had gone wrong in Mexico City, except Señora Duran. Failure on an important mission like this was not in Lee’s play book. In a last ditch effort to do something to advance the cause, he left the thermoses in the souvenir shop in a safe place, keeping the zippered bag because it matched the one left behind in Texas — just in case he would be asked to try again. He deposited one of his two suitcases in a locker in the bus station, so he would have some clothes to wear when he returned to Mexico. It was now obvious to Lee that he had been betrayed, and his actions at the consulate would further stain him as a pro-Castro fanatic, making him an even more convincing patsy in Kennedy’s murder. “They think I’m a blind fool!” Lee told me soon after. “If they don’t want me for Cuba anymore, I’m better off dead than alive to them.”Lee saw that while his usefulness was over, his knowledge of names,faces and events was dangerous. It was a bad combination. Lee concluded that Mexico had become too obvious for us to hide in. We immediately changed our escape plans. We would flee to the Cayman Islands, wait a year or so, then move on to fulfill our dream of exploring lost Mayan cities.On his way back to Texas, Lee stopped in the U. S. Public Health Service office at the border and told a contact where he had left the deadly materials. He also looked into quickie Mexican divorces in a nearby border town. Once in Dallas, Lee was ordered to check in at the YMCA and not to tell his wife he was in town until after he’d been debriefed. It should be noted that Lee never mentioned going to Cuba again, despite his supposed obsession with the subject. His Cuban transit visa was actually approved less than a month later, which was almost record time, but he ignored it. The mission to kill Castro had failed, and his attention was now focused on what would happen to John F. Kennedy. After his debriefing, Lee was able to call me at last. He told me “Theysaid it was the hurricane, ” in the clipped way that he had when he was irritated. “They said every deemed safe house was wrecked, and most of our contacts were scattered.” Lee was shown photos of the devastation Hurricane Flora had caused in the Caribbean. Several days before hitting Cuba, Flora hit Haiti, where it killed 5, 000 people. The approach of that Category IV storm with winds gusts over 200 mph prompted Castro to send his medical staff, which was concentrated in Havana, all over Cuba to deal with the coming disaster. A week later, Lee was shown more photos of the massive devastation caused in Cuba by the killer hurricane, making it obvious to him that his handlers were trying to allay his suspicions. Lee didn’t buy the Hurricane Flora excuse as the reason that his contact was not in Mexico City. “How dumb do they think I am?” he said. My intuition told me that he was right at the time, and today we know that Lee entered Mexico City on the morning of September 26th, and Hurricane Flora did not hit Cuba until October 4th. So it is not a plausible excuse for Lee’s contact not being in Mexico City when he arrived. The other point was that Alex Rorke had indeed disappeared on September 25th, as Lee had been told, but he was not informed until much later that Rorke and his pilot had been shot down over Cuba and might still be alive, held as prisoners. Lee’s Latino contacts should have given him this information, but did not. This made Lee rightfully suspicious. We believed a deliberate effort had been made to keep me in Florida. Lee’s involvement in the bioweapon project was now over, as was mine. Though the transit visa to Cuba arrived on his birthday, Cuba was no longer on his assignment list, so the visa was ignored. Instead, he’d been assigned to spy on a band of right-wing nuts interested in killing Kennedy. In the meantime, Lee was told he could be “sent to Mexico at any time.” We just had to be patient. According to that account Oswald was at the Cuban Consulate and had a motive to do so, but he never was at the Soviet Embassy, because as of my knowledge the Russians were not involved in GET CASTRO projects. 🙂 BTW It is an ironic that, if true, Judyth Vary Bakers account proves, that Garrison while he thought he was investigating a plot to kill Kennedy he was investigating a plot to kill Castro. That Oswald was guilty in participating in a plot to kill Castro but not in the killing of Kennedy was something that never occurred to him. Garrison couldn't make sense of the following: Quote ON THE TRAIL OF THE ASSASSINS by Jim Garrison. Quote We (Garrison and his men after the news of Ferries death) piled into the cars outside and arrived at Ferrie’s apartment less than ten minutes after our own investigators. There was no danger of federal intruders. Our men had sealed it off so a ten-ton tank could not have gotten within 50 yards of the late David Ferrie’s apartment. The first thing that hit me when I went through the door was the smell of the white mice. There had been hundreds of them in the place, kept in wire cages in the living room and dining room as part of the cancer experiments Ferrie had conducted with an established local doctor. The doctor now was long gone, and so were the white mice. But the cages and that unforgettable, stale, oddly sweet smell continued to hang in the air. IMO ... remnants of the GET CASTRO with CANCER project, where at last Lee Oswald, David Ferrie, Mary Sherman, Guy Banister and Alexander Rorke were involved. What have all those people further in common: They died within a year. (With the exception of Ferrie.) KK Edited September 13, 2023 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 On 9/11/2023 at 4:47 AM, Sandy Larsen said: Both the people that the man (the Oswald imposter) talked to in the Cuban consulate said he had blond hair. So what I'm saying has nothing to do with surveillance cameras. (Though, as an aside, two of the guys on the surveillance photos also had blond hair.) 'Blonde' is relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 23 hours ago, Pamela Brown said: 'Blonde' is relative. They (the Cuban consulate employees Duran and Azcue) also were shown photos of Oswald and both said that the person they talked to in the consulate wasn't the same person. In addition to saying that the man they talked to was blond, they said he was short. Oswald, at 5' 10", was not short. Cuban intelligence came to the same conclusion. Oswald may have been in Mexico City, but he didn't go to the Cuban consulate. Probably not the Russian embassy/consulate either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Since nobody here takes into account Judyth Bakers story on Oswald in Mexico, the only version of events which provide the why the how and a motive for Oswald to went there and is the only version which explains all the contradictions, this thread remains half baked. Not the way good research is done. 🤡 BTW There is not one word about JVB in Stone's Movie JFK REVISITED and Jim Eugenios supplement book to the movie, despite the fact Stone read the Baker book and said to her. "I believe you." when they met personally. Again: Not the way good research is done, this time from Stone and DiEugenio who are acting as if Judyth Baker does not exist. 🤡 KK In case you missed my post above I quote Judyth's Mexico City story again: The quote is from her 2010 book ME AND LEE. (The essence is: Oswald (when in Mexico City) was at the cuban consulate for a very good reason but never went to the Russian embassy Quote Friday, September 27, 1963 Lee ( with the bioweapon) arrived in Mexico City in mid-morning, where the Warren Commission claims Lee checked into a well-known hotel, but Lee told me he rented quarters at a Quaker establishment, where he pretended he was a drug dealer working for the mafia. This seems to have terrified everyone, so they completely avoided him, which is what Lee intended. That evening, the big moment finally came — the handover of the bioweapon. Lee went to the designated drop-off point — a souvenir shop, where he was supposed to meet a medical technician that would continue to keep the cells alive. But the technician failed to show. When Lee tried to contact Mr. Bishop, he was told that Bishop had flown to Washington, DC. Lee had been abandoned in Mexico City. His fears now escalated: he had justifiable visions of being arrested, interrogated, and tortured by the Mexican police, if anybody at the Quaker house reported him. The years have faded some details, but I recall that Lee reached an emergency contact, a ‘cutout’ who said he’d try to help out. This was a blonde-haired young man with a Moped. He had friends at a local university medical school. Meanwhile, Lee tried to avoid looking like a drug dealer. He went to a jai alai match and a bullfight, where he finally met his blonde-haired emergency contact. Together, they decided to go to the Cuban Consulate, for Lee now wanted to try to enter Cuba, if he could, before the bioweapon expired. Lee had a list of trusted contacts memorized, which he had been told to give to the medical technician, along with instructions on how to keep the bioweapon alive and how (and where) to make injections. He was willing to risk his life to do so. To that end, Lee visited the Cuban consulate, along with his friend. I personally believe that no U.S. spy photos showing Lee at the Cuban Consulate were saved because he was not alone in these photographs. I believe he was accompanied by the blond contact. Hence, photos of a heavyset male CIA agent were deliberately labeled with Lee’s name. Either Lee’s friend, or Lee, handed over his application for a transit visa to enter Cuba. At this time, an attractive young woman, Sylvia Duran, handled Lee’s application. She later reported that “Lee” was a blonde-haired young man, most likely to protect herself, for Duran ended up being tortured by the Mexican police at the behest of the U.S. after the assassination, to force her to confess that she’d slept with Lee. I am sure she regretted ever meeting him. As new evidence has shown, after Kennedy’s assassination it became too dangerous to implicate Lee as a pro-Castro, pro-Soviet agent, and it was decided that Lee would simply be known as “a lone nut.” Duran was then released from prison. Lee was impersonated by phone at this time as well, linking him to a Soviet spy known to be a professional assassin. As for Lee, because of his loyalty to Kennedy, and despite his belief that he was surely being set up to take a fall, he made a final attempt to get the bioweapon into Cuba. He must have played his part well, because Señora Duran invited Lee to a party — which is why the police were told to arrest her later. After the party, they went to Sylvia’s place, where he spent the night32 Lee told me that he slept with Duran to get her cooperation, hoping for vital information and help from her. He didn’t have to tell me about her, but by now, we never hid things of that nature from each other. But nothing “under the table” worked, and of course the Cuban consulate refused to approve Lee’s transit visa request on such short notice. The hurry-up request had marked Lee as a suspicious character, so Lee put on a dramatic Scarlet Pimpernel act. He made a foolish spectacle of himself. Such a fool could not possibly be important, or dangerous! Even so, Lee might have been awarded the transit visa “under the table” — it was not unheard-of— by showing a dog-like loyalty to Castro. But the ploy, which never had much of a chance of success, failed. Lee was treated rudely by the consulate staff, who again denied his request. With no transit visa and a biological weapon that was about to expire, Lee contacted the Mexico City CIA station, seeking further instructions. The CIA had previously promised Lee that he would stay in Mexico City and start a new career there as an asset. But now, Lee was ordered to return to Dallas for “debriefing.” Life in Mexico would come later: he was not to be upset about the failure of the mission, he was told, because a deadly hurricane was approaching Cuba, disrupting everything. But because the timing was off — the hurricane had been no such threat on the 26th — Lee didn’t believe a word of it. With a sense of impending doom, Lee prepared to return to Dallas. Everything had gone wrong in Mexico City, except Señora Duran. Failure on an important mission like this was not in Lee’s play book. In a last ditch effort to do something to advance the cause, he left the thermoses in the souvenir shop in a safe place, keeping the zippered bag because it matched the one left behind in Texas — just in case he would be asked to try again. He deposited one of his two suitcases in a locker in the bus station, so he would have some clothes to wear when he returned to Mexico. It was now obvious to Lee that he had been betrayed, and his actions at the consulate would further stain him as a pro-Castro fanatic, making him an even more convincing patsy in Kennedy’s murder. “They think I’m a blind fool!” Lee told me soon after. “If they don’t want me for Cuba anymore, I’m better off dead than alive to them.”Lee saw that while his usefulness was over, his knowledge of names,faces and events was dangerous. It was a bad combination. Lee concluded that Mexico had become too obvious for us to hide in. We immediately changed our escape plans. We would flee to the Cayman Islands, wait a year or so, then move on to fulfill our dream of exploring lost Mayan cities.On his way back to Texas, Lee stopped in the U. S. Public Health Service office at the border and told a contact where he had left the deadly materials. He also looked into quickie Mexican divorces in a nearby border town. Once in Dallas, Lee was ordered to check in at the YMCA and not to tell his wife he was in town until after he’d been debriefed. It should be noted that Lee never mentioned going to Cuba again, despite his supposed obsession with the subject. His Cuban transit visa was actually approved less than a month later, which was almost record time, but he ignored it. The mission to kill Castro had failed, and his attention was now focused on what would happen to John F. Kennedy. After his debriefing, Lee was able to call me at last. He told me “Theysaid it was the hurricane, ” in the clipped way that he had when he was irritated. “They said every deemed safe house was wrecked, and most of our contacts were scattered.” Lee was shown photos of the devastation Hurricane Flora had caused in the Caribbean. Several days before hitting Cuba, Flora hit Haiti, where it killed 5, 000 people. The approach of that Category IV storm with winds gusts over 200 mph prompted Castro to send his medical staff, which was concentrated in Havana, all over Cuba to deal with the coming disaster. A week later, Lee was shown more photos of the massive devastation caused in Cuba by the killer hurricane, making it obvious to him that his handlers were trying to allay his suspicions. Lee didn’t buy the Hurricane Flora excuse as the reason that his contact was not in Mexico City. “How dumb do they think I am?” he said. My intuition told me that he was right at the time, and today we know that Lee entered Mexico City on the morning of September 26th, and Hurricane Flora did not hit Cuba until October 4th. So it is not a plausible excuse for Lee’s contact not being in Mexico City when he arrived. The other point was that Alex Rorke had indeed disappeared on September 25th, as Lee had been told, but he was not informed until much later that Rorke and his pilot had been shot down over Cuba and might still be alive, held as prisoners. Lee’s Latino contacts should have given him this information, but did not. This made Lee rightfully suspicious. We believed a deliberate effort had been made to keep me in Florida. Lee’s involvement in the bioweapon project was now over, as was mine. Though the transit visa to Cuba arrived on his birthday, Cuba was no longer on his assignment list, so the visa was ignored. Instead, he’d been assigned to spy on a band of right-wing nuts interested in killing Kennedy. In the meantime, Lee was told he could be “sent to Mexico at any time.” We just had to be patient. According to that account Oswald was at the Cuban Consulate and had a motive to do so, but he never was at the Soviet Embassy, because as of my knowledge the Russians were not involved in GET CASTRO projects. 🙂 BTW It is an ironic that, if true, Judyth Vary Bakers account proves, that Garrison while he thought he was investigating a plot to kill Kennedy he was investigating a plot to kill Castro. That Oswald was guilty in participating in a plot to kill Castro but not in the killing of Kennedy was something that never occurred to him. Garrison couldn't make sense of the following: Quote ON THE TRAIL OF THE ASSASSINS by Jim Garrison. Quote We (Garrison and his men after the news of Ferries death) piled into the cars outside and arrived at Ferrie’s apartment less than ten minutes after our own investigators. There was no danger of federal intruders. Our men had sealed it off so a ten-ton tank could not have gotten within 50 yards of the late David Ferrie’s apartment. The first thing that hit me when I went through the door was the smell of the white mice. There had been hundreds of them in the place, kept in wire cages in the living room and dining room as part of the cancer experiments Ferrie had conducted with an established local doctor. The doctor now was long gone, and so were the white mice. But the cages and that unforgettable, stale, oddly sweet smell continued to hang in the air. IMO ... remnants of the GET CASTRO with CANCER project, where at last Lee Oswald, David Ferrie, Mary Sherman, Guy Banister and Alexander Rorke were involved. What have all those people further in common: They died within a year. (With the exception of Ferrie.) KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said: They (the Cuban consulate employees Duran and Azcue) also were shown photos of Oswald and both said that the person they talked to in the consulate wasn't the same person. In addition to saying that the man they talked to was blond, they said he was short. Oswald, at 5' 10", was not short. Cuban intelligence came to the same conclusion. Oswald may have been in Mexico City, but he didn't go to the Cuban consulate. Probably not the Russian embassy/consulate either. With all due respect, I disagree. This seems like quibbling over things. In fact, at this point I would say that we each know where the other stands on the issue of description, so why not agree to disagree and move on? The person who visited the embassies had valid documentation, or so they said. The behavior of the person who visited the embassies is consistent with that of the Lee Oswald Mr Hosty encountered in Dallas. I haven't done a timeline yet of who said what about the Lee they say they saw, but initially boh the Cuban and Russian embassies claimed the person arrested for the murder of Tippit and JFK was the one they saw. And I think there is something bigger going on here that may be a reason for the JFK files not yet released. We are supposed to quibble over minor items and thus be distracted from actually researching what happened to Lee Oswald in MC and why, and his Cuban and Russian connections. And I think there is someone behind the scenes in all this dynamite about MC who is being protected. I could be wrong, but I think it may be RFK. Edited September 15, 2023 by Pamela Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Down Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/5/2023 at 8:31 PM, Pamela Brown said: Sandy, I don't think it's fair to suggest that any of us is "believing the WC." I hope you will agree with me that weighing and evaluating evidence and then forming a hypothesis is what research is all about... Right now, I am working on an hypothesis that Lee was in MC, and so were others who, for whatever reason, were impersonating him and possibly also tracking his movements. To say that Lee *couldn't* have been at the consulate because there is no photo seems to be jumping to a conclusion. For example, Lee could have anticipated the possibility of a camera and pulled up a jacket collar or in some other way took action to avoid being photographed. Interesting hypothesis. How do you think his movements were being tracked? As in was someone pulled up in a car outside his hotel and followed him on foot to see where he was going and what he was doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Gerry Down said: Interesting hypothesis. How do you think his movements were being tracked? As in was someone pulled up in a car outside his hotel and followed him on foot to see where he was going and what he was doing? Or by car, using binoculars... I also think something of his sort may also have happened in Dallas after the assassination... Edited September 18, 2023 by Pamela Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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