Douglas Caddys 1975 dinner with E. Howard Hunt

[Gerry Down]

Douglas Caddy, lawyer for E. Howard Hunt, met with Hunt just before Hunt was to go to prison for his part in the Watergate break-in. During this dinner Caddy pressed Hunt on the reason for the Watergate break-in.

After some initial reluctance, Hunt stated “We were after a cuban government intelligence report because the cuban government intelligence report we believed had information about how John Kennedy had been killed. The details of the assassination.”  Caddy pressed for more information but Hunt would not tell anymore and just put his hands up and said “That is it”.

As they left the restaurant, Caddy decided to press one more time on Watergates connection to the Kennedy assassination. Caddy asked “Why was Kennedy assassinated? Why was this information so important?” Hunt replied: “Kennedy was to give our most vital secret to the soviets.” Hunt explained that this secret was “the alien presence”. And with that Hunt shaked Caddys hand and walked away.

Caddy talks about this in the below video (19 to 25 minutes):

Ray Hill, Doug Caddy - Why President Kennedy was Killed Part 2 -6/11/15
LINK: https://youtu.be/AUZuj59rpC8?si=5RhXSxvj80ZlBise

Caddy discusses the cuban government intelligence report some more in the below video (33 to 38 minutes):

Public Affairs Public Access, Ray Hill and Douglas Caddy on the hidden state.
LINK: https://youtu.be/bfiSCk4LH0k?si=ufzK0Jxdh8x7GMNZ

The thought occurred to me that Hunt might have felt he revealed too much information to Caddy at the dinner and may have tried to negate this as they left the restaurant by talking about “the alien presence”. In order words, having revealed too much information Hunt decided to poison the admission he had made to Caddy by adding in erroneous info about aliens etc.

Two things are not clear though:

1. How would the cuban government know what happened in the JFK assassination in order to write such an intelligence report?
2. And if the cuban government did write such an intelligence report on the JFK assassination, how did that report end up in the Watergate building?

[Roger Odisio]

1 hour ago, Gerry Down said:

Douglas Caddy, lawyer for E. Howard Hunt, met with Hunt just before Hunt was to go to prison for his part in the Watergate break-in. During this dinner Caddy pressed Hunt on the reason for the Watergate break-in.

After some initial reluctance, Hunt stated “We were after a cuban government intelligence report because the cuban government intelligence report we believed had information about how John Kennedy had been killed. The details of the assassination.”  Caddy pressed for more information but Hunt would not tell anymore and just put his hands up and said “That is it”.

As they left the restaurant, Caddy decided to press one more time on Watergates connection to the Kennedy assassination. Caddy asked “Why was Kennedy assassinated? Why was this information so important?” Hunt replied: “Kennedy was to give our most vital secret to the soviets.” Hunt explained that this secret was “the alien presence”. And with that Hunt shaked Caddys hand and walked away.

Caddy talks about this in the below video (19 to 25 minutes):

Ray Hill, Doug Caddy - Why President Kennedy was Killed Part 2 -6/11/15
LINK: https://youtu.be/AUZuj59rpC8?si=5RhXSxvj80ZlBise

Caddy discusses the cuban government intelligence report some more in the below video (33 to 38 minutes):

Public Affairs Public Access, Ray Hill and Douglas Caddy on the hidden state.
LINK: https://youtu.be/bfiSCk4LH0k?si=ufzK0Jxdh8x7GMNZ

The thought occurred to me that Hunt might have felt he revealed too much information to Caddy at the dinner and may have tried to negate this as they left the restaurant by talking about “the alien presence”. In order words, having revealed too much information Hunt decided to poison the admission he had made to Caddy by adding in erroneous info about aliens etc.

Two things are not clear though:

1. How would the cuban government know what happened in the JFK assassination in order to write such an intelligence report?
2. And if the cuban government did write such an intelligence report on the JFK assassination, how did that report end up in the Watergate building?

How would the Cuban Government know? Start with Castro's reactions, published in a Dec 7, 1963 article by Jean Daniel, an envoy from JFK who was having lunch with Castro at the time, when he heard JFK had been murdered.   https://newrepublic.com/article/120460/fidel-castro-reaction-kennedy-assassination-cuba.

 

The article is full of insights into Castro's thoughts about Kennedy and US  policy.  His first reaction: "This is bad news." Then: "Everything is changed." "Everything is going to change."

 

His explanations for those statements is contained in two speeches he gave soon after the murder. The first on the day after: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvqRAu42gs0.   

 

The second on Nov 27. https://archive.org/details/CastroSpeechJFK2/page/n1/mode/2up

 

Castro was a keen student of the US government.  His life depended on it.  He immediately understood the murder in a way the still eludes many today. 

[Jonathan Cohen]

15 minutes ago, Roger Odisio said:

How would the Cuban Government know? Start with Castro's reactions, published in a Dec 7, 1963 article by Jean Daniel, an envoy from JFK who was having lunch with Castro at the time, when he heard JFK had been murdered.   https://newrepublic.com/article/120460/fidel-castro-reaction-kennedy-assassination-cuba.

 

The article is full of insights into Castro's thoughts about Kennedy and US  policy.  His first reaction: "This is bad news." Then: "Everything is changed." "Everything is going to change."

 

His explanations for those statements is contained in two speeches he gave soon after the murder. The first on the day after: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvqRAu42gs0.   

 

The second on Nov 27. https://archive.org/details/CastroSpeechJFK2/page/n1/mode/2up

 

Castro was a keen student of the US government.  His life depended on it.  He immediately understood the murder in a way the still eludes many today. 

Roger, do you believe Kennedy was assassinated because he was about to tell the free world that aliens existed?

[Roger Odisio]

50 minutes ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

Roger, do you believe Kennedy was assassinated because he was about to tell the free world that aliens existed?

Where would you get such a ridiculous idea, Jon?  From anything I've written?  Does it have anything to do with my posting of the point that Castro quickly understood that JFK was murdered by the war machine/CIA in his own government?  To which you're supposedly commenting?

Or was your post simply a ploy to have your name appear on the topic's first page, so people would move on without reading the thread?  

[Joe Bauer]

If the Alien presence story is true...

It makes every other event story in our history kid's stuff. Including who killed JFK.

Part of the story line in the original "Planet Of The Apes" film starring Charlton Heston was the big secret kept from the evolved simian race society that now ruled the world.

Only one or two at the top of the ape race governing hierarchy knew the truth that they felt had to be kept secret from the entire rest of their kind.

That secret? 

That higher advanced than themselves Homo-Sapien humans created them from a much lower evolution class of animals. 

And if the entire Ape race were to be made aware of their true identity...it would cripple their self-esteem ( a permanent inferiority complex ) relative to the humans they previously herded up like cattle.

Isn't this the exact same scenario proposed as to why a small percentage of in-the-know Alien presence secret holders justify keeping it's truth from the rest of the human race?

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Jonathan Cohen]

1 hour ago, Roger Odisio said:

Where would you get such a ridiculous idea, Jon?  From anything I've written?  Does it have anything to do with my posting of the point that Castro quickly understood that JFK was murdered by the war machine/CIA in his own government?  To which you're supposedly commenting?

Or was your post simply a ploy to have your name appear on the topic's first page, so people would move on without reading the thread?  

There's really no need for such nastiness. I simply asked you the question because you were the first person to reply to the original post on this thread and you didn't address the specific (and ridiculous) claim Douglas Caddy makes regarding aliens. Relax, man.

Edited October 14, 2023 by Jonathan Cohen

[Joe Bauer]

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[Tom Gram]

2 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

How would the cuban government know what happened in the JFK assassination in order to write such an intelligence report?

The G2 were one of the best intelligence agencies on the planet, and Cubans were not exactly known for their discretion. If members of the exile community were somehow involved in the assassination, or even just knew details about Oswald and his interactions with the DRE etc. that were withheld from the public, I’d be surprised if the G2 didn’t know about it. 

I have no idea why such a report, if it actually existed, would be stored at the Watergate hotel. 

There’s a book, JFK: The Cuba Files, by a former G2 agent, that supposedly cites a lot of Cuban records about the assassination. I haven’t read it, or have any idea how credible it is, but the guy who wrote it has made a few claims that seem bit dubious IMO - like that he found out the names of the actual shooters: 

https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKescalante.htm

I bet @Larry Hancock would know more about this guy, and the possible existence of an incriminating G2 report on the JFKA, etc. 

[Joe Bauer]

Check out the following video:

JFK: Cinema As History.

An American University presented debate.

It's almost two hours long.

For heart of the discussion expediency ( imo ) watch and listen to John Judge in the beginning of the debate and then skip to the 1 hour and 13 minute mark.

Listen to the aggressive charges of other debaters directed at L. Fletcher Prouty and listen to his responses.

 

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[Roger Odisio]

1 hour ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

There's really no need for such nastiness. I simply asked you the question because you were the first person to reply to the original post on this thread and you didn't address the specific (and ridiculous) claim Douglas Caddy makes regarding aliens. Relax, man.

Perhaps my response was a bit over the top, but I was trying to make the serious point that Castro quickly understood the murder in a way many today still do not.  I didn't pay any attention to the alien stuff so I saw it as a distraction and a silly one at that.

[Gerry Down]

21 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

I have no idea why such a report, if it actually existed, would be stored at the Watergate hotel.

I guess one possibility would be if the CIA had a mole in Castro's government who then passed the report back to the CIA. The CIA could then pass the report to LBJ which would put it in the Democratic party's hands, thus potentially inside the Watergate hotel.

Though that has the problem of where LBJ told Walter Kronkite that he basically suspected the Cubans or Soviets might have put LHO up to the assassination. 

[Larry Hancock]

Tom, I'm afraid some of the Cuban intelligence books - like Escalante's - actually contain a good bit of material that appears to have come out of JFK books and of course the Cuban books are constructed to make a case against the CIA and its evil actions against Cuba (not all that much of a challenge).

An associated problem is that as far as I know very virtually no real, verifiable Cuban intel files have been brought forward; Escalante says most were damaged or lost though bad storage practices and water damage.  What we most often hear about are things people describe from memory based on there having seen in said files...

Having said that, we can verify that Castro actually visited the Brazilian embassy only weeks before the assassination and made a warning statement that the CIA efforts to assassinate him could blow back on the U.S. and on JFK; he actually said that the anti-Castro Cuban exiles were so volatile that they might turn on JFK himself.

I'm sure that Cuban G2 was picking up some of the same rumors and gossip the FBI was, with a lot of threats and volatile remarks coming out of the exile community for several months at that time.  After all it was so bad the SS actually asked for CIA cooperation in regard to Cuban threats in Miami during the president's visit there.

[Ron Bulman]

1 hour ago, Larry Hancock said:

Tom, I'm afraid some of the Cuban intelligence books - like Escalante's - actually contain a good bit of material that appears to have come out of JFK books and of course the Cuban books are constructed to make a case against the CIA and its evil actions against Cuba (not all that much of a challenge).

An associated problem is that as far as I know very virtually no real, verifiable Cuban intel files have been brought forward; Escalante says most were damaged or lost though bad storage practices and water damage.  What we most often hear about are things people describe from memory based on there having seen in said files...

Having said that, we can verify that Castro actually visited the Brazilian embassy only weeks before the assassination and made a warning statement that the CIA efforts to assassinate him could blow back on the U.S. and on JFK; he actually said that the anti-Castro Cuban exiles were so volatile that they might turn on JFK himself.

I'm sure that Cuban G2 was picking up some of the same rumors and gossip the FBI was, with a lot of threats and volatile remarks coming out of the exile community for several months at that time.  After all it was so bad the SS actually asked for CIA cooperation in regard to Cuban threats in Miami during the president's visit there.

So, Escalante may have been blowing smoke?

[Larry Hancock]

Escalante published a book which made strong case for all sorts of nefarious CIA and US activities against Cuba (a mild case compared to what we know now) and in doing so he connected the CIA to JFK's assassination.  Given the book theme it was totally consistent to link the CIA to JFK's murder as well and he did so, as far as I could tell with a lot of material and speculation already found in previously published JFK assassination books.  He also attended a conference with a number of JFK researchers and that helped promote the book as well as Cuba's case against the US.

The book also contained claims that captured Cuban exiles had talked about their knowledge of a conspiracy involving the CIA as well....that has shown  up in several places over the  years as well - totally undocumented and not used as Cuban propaganda at the time, but held privately - to wait for books apparently. 

I went though the Escalante book repeatedly looking for anything unique or anything he could document from actual files or corroborate independently - things that had not been in newspapers and books prior to his own book's publication. I could not find anything significant but if anyone else has I'd like to see it.  

 

[David Andrews]

I suspect that Hunt deadpanning "The alien presence" meant, at best, "I can't tell you."  At worst, it meant...something that may be used as a barometer for the temper of his deathbed confession.  Both messages are for an audience larger than the recipients.

Edited October 15, 2023 by David Andrews