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Do you guys not recognise how much real hard slog has gone into Mr Montenegro’s list? As a resource and set of sorely needed building blocks, not a cause for sarcasm, and regurgitating old dead ends…

Do Forum participants not recognise that the deepest minds and most careful researchers (Peter Dale Scott, John Newman for two) are now looking more to military actors and bodies as THE missing part of the JFKA puzzle.

We as Education Forum members and concerned world citizens owe it to the victims of that coup d’état to keep an open mind and heart to all who enter here…
 

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Stars that burn so bright burn out so quick…or he’s a diva…

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Well, shucks.  I was interested in Robert's list, and had a number of questions.

Foremost was a request for more information about his sources.

I was also surprised to see Col. L. Fletcher Prouty on Robert's list of participants in the mainstream media cover up of the JFK assassination op.

My impression, for several years, has been quite the opposite-- i.e., that Prouty was a rare Deep State insider who tried to make the public aware that JFK had been murdered by a Deep State conspiracy involving the CIA and others at the highest levels of the U.S. government and media.

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I blinked and missed Robert’s post. I’m a huge fan of him and his prodigious research. 
I gather that Prouty is on it. What exactly did we learn from Prouty? Lansdale was the organizer. Anything else? 

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1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

I blinked and missed Robert’s post. I’m a huge fan of him and his prodigious research. 
I gather that Prouty is on it. What exactly did we learn from Prouty? Lansdale was the organizer. Anything else? 

Paul,

Have you ever read Prouty's writings about CIA special ops, Dulles's "secret team," Vietnam, and the JFK assassination?

Prouty explained, from an insider's perspective, the back story of the McNamara/Taylor Report, NSAM 263, and the reversal of JFK's Vietnam policy following the JFK assassination.

He also described his suspicions about the faulty security arrangements in Dealey Plaza, and the apparent international mainstream media psy op immediately labeling Oswald as a lone assassin, within hours of the event.

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17 hours ago, Robert Montenegro said:

 

It is factual (as I pointed out already), that LBJ was a crooked little turd of a human being, but he was in no position to pull off a military coup.

 

In my opinion (wink-wink), if anyone was in a position to "...micro-manage..." the murder of President Kennedy, it was Allen Welsh Dulles and his group of conspirators.

 

Ask yourself a fundamental question:

 

Whose aristocracy pulled the strings of power before the murder of President Kennedy and who controls the corridors of power to this day?

 

I'll tell you this much, it is not LBJ's gang of good-ole boys running the Safari Club, Operation GLADIO, Bank of Credit and Commerce International, Nugan Hand Bank, Castle Bank & Trust in the Bahamas, Maktab al-Khidamat, Lajnat al-Birr al Islamiah, Al Kifah Refugee Center, or Al Taqwa Bank.

 

LBJ vs Dulles as the mastermind of the plan is an argument without substance.  Both were essential to the plan's success. Each had a different part to do. 

As President LBJ had the fate of the others in his hands.  A plan to cover up the murder and blame someone else had to be in place before any shots were fired.  Johnson would be running that. 

Johnson wanted Kennedy dead as much as Dulles did.  And he knew that others felt the same way. He was not going to let someone else plan the coverup and bind him to it when he became president.  One example of this was the question of whether to use the murder as a pretext to attack Cuba.  Johnson want no part of that at the beginning of his presidency.  It's likely he made that clear to the others before the murder.  We know it became public knowledge quickly after Kennedy was killed.

Central to the cover up was the idea that no investigation of what happened would be permitted, since what actually happened did not fit the Oswald story they had decided to go with. To begin with, that means no legit autopsy.  Snatching the body from Dr. Rose at Parkland and Johnson ordering it to be brought to AF1 was an early indication of the coverup plan already at work.

Appointing 7 great Americans as figureheads to the WC, including, brazenly, co-conspirator Dulles, to ensure no investigation would happen and Oswald would be fingered, was another early step.  I get a kick out of people who believe the recorded conversation between Johnson and (who was it, Joe Alsop?) where LBJ has to be convinced to appoint such a commission. The idea was Washington logical.  He had that in mind, or something similar, when planning the coverup. The call was more LBJ play acting to divert attention form that fact that a (fake) commission was his idea. 

The Dulles gang had access to a world wide roster of professional killers.  It turns out the creation and demise of the CIA's ZR Rifle program bookended the murder.  Started in '62, ended in '64.  Dulles didn't need Johnson, or Mac Wallace, for that part of the plan.

Dulles did, however, spend the weekend of the murder at the CIA hideaway in Virginia, helping to get the coverup off the ground.  A remaining, essential, part of the coverup was that Oswald had to be killed before he could talk to a lawyer. That was Dulles's job. Johnson could not be doing that from the White House and there is no record I am aware of of the calls Dulles made that weekend.

Dulles and Johnson worked together.  Each was essential to the murder plan

 

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8 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Shame on those of you who mocked Robert's work.

By deleting his OP, Robert has decided not to "cast pearls before swine."

 

Or decided to..cut his nose off to spite his face, or throw his rattle out of the pram,
or take his bat n ball home. Depends how you look at it. 

 

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1 hour ago, Roger Odisio said:

LBJ vs Dulles as the mastermind of the plan is an argument without substance.  Both were essential to the plan's success. Each had a different part to do. 

As President LBJ had the fate of the others in his hands.  A plan to cover up the murder and blame someone else had to be in place before any shots were fired.  Johnson would be running that. 

Johnson wanted Kennedy dead as much as Dulles did.  And he knew that others felt the same way. He was not going to let someone else plan the coverup and bind him to it when he became president.  One example of this was the question of whether to use the murder as a pretext to attack Cuba.  Johnson want no part of that at the beginning of his presidency.  It's likely he made that clear to the others before the murder.  We know it became public knowledge quickly after Kennedy was killed.

Central to the cover up was the idea that no investigation of what happened would be permitted, since what actually happened did not fit the Oswald story they had decided to go with. To begin with, that means no legit autopsy.  Snatching the body from Dr. Rose at Parkland and Johnson ordering it to be brought to AF1 was an early indication of the coverup plan already at work.

Appointing 7 great Americans as figureheads to the WC, including, brazenly, co-conspirator Dulles, to ensure no investigation would happen and Oswald would be fingered, was another early step.  I get a kick out of people who believe the recorded conversation between Johnson and (who was it, Joe Alsop?) where LBJ has to be convinced to appoint such a commission. The idea was Washington logical.  He had that in mind, or something similar, when planning the coverup. The call was more LBJ play acting to divert attention form that fact that a (fake) commission was his idea. 

The Dulles gang had access to a world wide roster of professional killers.  It turns out the creation and demise of the CIA's ZR Rifle program bookended the murder.  Started in '62, ended in '64.  Dulles didn't need Johnson, or Mac Wallace, for that part of the plan.

Dulles did, however, spend the weekend of the murder at the CIA hideaway in Virginia, helping to get the coverup off the ground.  A remaining, essential, part of the coverup was that Oswald had to be killed before he could talk to a lawyer. That was Dulles's job. Johnson could not be doing that from the White House and there is no record I am aware of of the calls Dulles made that weekend.

Dulles and Johnson worked together.  Each was essential to the murder plan

 

I don't see how anybody can argue with any of this. But I will be here popcorn in hand if they do.

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17 hours ago, George Govus said:

Copy and paste fail.
Deleted thread no good now.
Me and my big mouth.

I think I have seen that list on here before.You just have to search for it.

In fact,there is a very small chance that I copy & posted it to another forum that isn't about JFK.

I'll have to look & I'm not making no promises.

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OMG I had to do some searching.

It's not the same list & is a mega FRAT.

I will not attempt to use paragraphs.

On your mark...

Get set...

Go! 


The men who murdered President of the United States John Fitzgerald Kennedy (Lieutenant, USN, WWII), were a gunrunning, narcotics trafficking, international, stateless, compartmentalized, "stove-piped," cellularized, "honeycombed" network of eugenics-minded, crypto-fascist, authoritarian revanchists, the bulk of whom were bound by a grey-alliance of "Omertà," "Blutorden," & the "Blue-wall-of-silence"—a grey-alliance that infiltrated, and effectively strong-armed, the mechanisms of the United States' corporate intelligence & military industrial networking structures in the closing hours of World War II, and in truly recherché fashion, weaponized said aforementioned quasi-private "national-security" state, against its own Commander-In-Chief, on the 22nd of November, 1963—an event that violently removed legitimate democracy in the Western Hemisphere, and gradually replaced it, via covert counterinsurgency programs like "Operación Cóndor," "Operation MHCHAOS," "Operation GARDEN PLOT," "Operation Cable Splicer," "COINTELPRO," & "Operation Lantern Spike," with a permanent warfare-state of neo-imperialist "Pentagonism"—an active US-based warfare-state, protected by a multifaceted domestic phalanx of brutal anti-intellectualism, global ignorance, capitalist hubris, political gangsterism, psy-war propaganda, violent suppression of fact, social loafing, self-deception, corporate astroturfing, gangrenous groupthink, destructive doublespeak, culpable indifference, narcissistic nationalism, racist cultural misrepresentation, & pointless pious patriotism.
 

 

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What follows is a list of those individual persons, both directly or indirectly responsible, to the highest order of logical probability, for the murder of President Kennedy...

Neutralized legitimate security for Presidential motorcade:


Paul J. Paterni (OSS, X-2, Counter Espionage Branch, Italy/ Deputy Chief, US Secret Service), COL. John “Jack” Alston Crichton (Operación 40 comptroller/ 488th Military Intelligence Detachment/ Cuban-Venezuelan Oil Voting Trust Company/ Empire Trust Company/ DeGolyer & MacNaughton/ Dorchester Gas Producing Co./ Dallas Civil Defense-Office Of Emergency Planning commander), Capt. W. Patrick Gannaway (Special Service Bureau, Dallas Police Department), COL. George Laster “Lonnie” Lumpkin (Deputy Chief, Dallas Police Department/ 488th Military Intelligence Detachment), COL. Frank Maryan "Brandy" Brandstetter (488th Military Intelligence Detachment/ manager, Continental Hilton, Mexico City), Capt. George M. Doughty (Chief, Identification Bureau, Dallas Police Department/ liaison, 112th Military Intelligence Group), Lt. Jack Revill (Chief, Criminal Intelligence Section, Dallas Police Department), COL. Robert E. Jones (Operations Officer, 112th Military Intelligence Group/ liaison, 902nd Military Intelligence Group), Lt. Col. George Luster Whitmeyer (488th Military Intelligence Detachment), Capt. William Ralph "Pinky" Westbrook [Personnel Records Division, Dallas Police Department/ CIA Counter Intelligence Staff, Police Group (CI/PG)—International Cooperation Administration—Office of Public Safety Saigon], William S. Biggio (Chief of Communications Intelligence, Special Service Bureau, Criminal Intelligence Section, Dallas Police Department), Det. Leonard Don Stringfellow, Warren C. de Brueys (COINTELPRO officer), and Lt. Col. Buddy Joe Wright (488th Military Intelligence Detachment).

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Engineered and manipulated patsies:

David Atlee Phillips AKA Michael C. Choaden AKA Maurice Bishop (Operación 40 assassin/ Fair Play For Cuba Committee infiltration commander/ Deputy Chief of Cuban Covert Operations, CIA Mexico City Station/ CIA liaison, Dirección Federal de Seguridad/ CIA liaison, Project LIHUFF), Fernando Gutiérrez Barrios "LITEMPO-4" [Deputy Director, Dirección Federal de Seguridad/ CIA commander, Project LIHUFF/ comptroller LIEVICT/ CIA comptroller, "Movimiento Universitario de Renovadora Orientación" (MURO)/ CIA comptroller, "Los Tecos"], Jacques G. Richardson AKA Thomas B. Casasin (CIA Chief of Station, North Asia Command, Soviet Russia Division), Edward Scannell Butler (executive director, Information Council of the Americas), George Frederick Munro (LITEMPO commander/ JMWAVE liaison/ CIA liaison, Region II, 112th Military Intelligence Group, 4th US Army Operations Group), George E. Aurell (CIA Defector Coordinator, Interagency Defector Committee/ commander, Caribbean Admissions Center, Opa-Locka Air Station—Madrid Interrogation Site/ Joint Advisory Commission Korea), Marguerite D. Stevens (CIA Office of Security, Security Research Staff), Dorothe Kerans Matlack (CIA Interagency Defector Committee/ commander, Caribbean Admissions Center, Opa-Locka Air Station—Madrid Interrogation Site), Anthony F. Czajkowski (CIA Domestic Contacts Division), Lt. Col. James E. Flannery AKA Stewart Pataker (CIA Chief of Covert Action, US Embassy, Mexico City/ CIA liaison, Dirección Federal de Seguridad/ LITEMPO commander), Dr. Louis Jolyon "Jolly" West (Project MKULTRA/ Human Ecology Fund), George de Mohrenschildt (Dallas Council On World Affairs/ petrochemical consultant, International Cooperation Administration/ oil rig operator, Humble Oil & Refining Company—Standard Oil Company of New Jersey/ Fayed-Duvalier Oil Co./ engineering consultant, Cuban-Venezuelan Oil Voting Trust Company/ Project AEVIRGIL asset), Delphine Points Roberts (White Citizens Council/ Louisiana Sovereignty Commission/ National Defense Chairman, Robert Harvey Chapter, National Society, Daughters of the American Revolution/ World Union of National Socialists), Alexander Sokaloff (CIA Chief of Legal Travelers Program, Soviet Russia Division), Luis Alberu Soeto “LITAMIL-9” (LIONION officer), Michael Ralph Paine (deputy director, Research & Development, Bell Helicopter Company, Fort Worth, TX), Winston Mackinley Scott AKA Willard C. Curtis [Chief of Covert Operations, Office of Special Operations, Western Europe/ CIA liaison, Gehlen Organization/ LITEMPO commander/ CIA Mexico City Station Chief/ commander, Project LIEVICT/ CIA comptroller, "Movimiento Universitario de Renovadora Orientación" (MURO)/ CIA comptroller, "Los Tecos"/ CIA liaison, Region II, 112th Military Intelligence Group, 4th US Army Operations Group], Clay LaVerne Shaw (Centro Mondiale Commerciale/ PERMINDEX/ managing director, International Trade Mart/ asset, Project QKENCHANT), Paul M. Raigorodsky (Tolstoy Foundation/ PERMINDEX/ Tryall Club/ Project AEVIRGIL asset), John B. Hurt AKA John David Hurt (cryptolinguist, US Army Signals Intelligence Service, Tokyo, Japan/ chief of linguistic division, National Security Agency/ NSA liaison, Defense Language Center, Nags Head School of Illusionary Warfare), James M. Flint AKA Walter Haltigan (CIA Chief of Soviet Intelligence Section, Paris Station), Dr. Robert V. Lashbrook (Project MKULTRA), Maurice Brooks Gatlin Sr. (New Orleans representative, Anti-Communist Committee of the Americas/ general counsel, Legión Extranjera Anticomunista del Caribe), James Patrick Hosty Jr. (COINTELPRO officer), James Walton Moore (Dallas Council On World Affairs/ CIA Office of Operations, Domestic Contacts Division, Dallas Field Office/ CIA liaison, Region II, 112th Military Intelligence Group, 4th US Army Operations Group), Dr. Charles Savage (Project CHATTER), Igor Vladimir Voshinin (National Alliance of Russian Solidarists/ Project AEVIRGIL asset), Robert Fulton AKA William Costille (CIA officer/ US Vice Consul, Helsinki/ officer, REDCAP-LCIMPROVE), Max Edward Clark (Chief of Industrial Security, Convair Division, General Dynamics, Fort Worth, TX/ CIA asset, “Project ROCK/IDIO/SGAPEX”), David Edmund Murphy (Chief of Berlin Operations Base/ CIA liaison, Berlin Task Force/ CIA Chief of Clandestine Services, Eastern European Division/ CIA Chief of Soviet Russian Division/ commander, LCIMPROVE), Frederick T. Merrill (Director, East‐West Contact Committee, US Department of State/ National Committee for a Free Europe), Gen. Gerhard Wessel (Special Agent, Gehlen Org/ Chief of Counterintelligence, Bundeswehr), COL. Orlando Eleno Piedra Negueruela (FBI informant, NO 1213-S), Ruth Hyde Paine (CIA asset, East‐West Contact Committee, US Department of State), COL. Lawrence Orlov (Project AEVIRGIL commander), William Guy Banister (Louisiana Committee on Un-American Activities/ publisher, Louisiana Intelligence Digest/ Legión Extranjera Anticomunista del Caribe/ World Union of National Socialists/ commander, Frente Revolucionario Democrático/ commander, Cuban Revolutionary Council, New Orleans), COL. Harold Muddy Frindell (commander, Region II, 112th Military Intelligence Group, 4th US Army Operations Group), CMDR David C. Reid (commander, Naval Criminal Investigative Service, 8th Naval District, Office of Naval Intelligence, New Orleans, Louisiana/ liaison, 112th Military Intelligence Group), John J. D'Angelo (Special Agent, US Air Force Office of Special Investigations, 9th District, New Orleans, Louisiana/ liaison, 112th Military Intelligence Group), Harry G. Maynor (FBI, Special Agent In Charge, New Orleans, Louisiana/ liaison, 112th Military Intelligence Group), COL. James Sanford Ketchum (commander, "Medical Research Volunteer Program," Edgewood Arsenal), Princess Gali Scherbatoff Clark (heir apparent, Millwall Iron Works Company—New Russia Company for Coal, Iron, & Rail Production, former Russian Empire), Alberto Cesar Augusto Rodriguez Gallego "LIFEUD-22" (director, Berlitz School of Languages, Madrid/ LIEMPTY officer/ LIONION officer/ LIERODE chief of photographic telemetry, Cuban Embassy, Mexico City), Priscilla Johnson McMillan (North American Newspaper Alliance/ CIA informant, Project REDSKIN/ Operation MOCKINGBIRD asset), Dr. Donald Ewen Cameron (Project MKULTRA/ Human Ecology Fund), William B. Reily (owner, Reily Coffee Company/ comptroller, Crusade To Free Cuba Committee), Dr. Luther Wilson Greene (Technical Director, Chemical & Radiological Laboratories, Edgewood Arsenal), COL. Theodore Frelinghyusen Hoffman (commander, CATHINK-CABEZONE, 513th Military Intelligence Group), Charles William Wiley AKA Chester E. Saroyan (contract agent, CIA Security Research Staff/ ZRAWARD officer/ "Saroyan Fund" recipient/ founder, World News Analysis/ CIA liaison, Project LIHUFF), Joseph Alexander Sizoo (deputy commander, COINTELPRO/ liaison, CIA Office of Security/ "Saroyan Fund" recipient), Lee R. Pennington Jr. (Director of the National Americanism Commission of the American Legion/ CIA Office of Security liaison/ "Saroyan Fund" recipient), Lt. Col. James L. Monroe (Chief of Research & Development, Psychological Warfare Division—Biological-Chemical Warfare Plans Division, USAF Special Operations/ director, Human Ecology Fund—Project MKULTRA officer/ senior advisor, Ad Hoc Prisoners Information Support Committee, U.S. Intelligence Advisory Committee, USAF Office of Intelligence), Nelson Henry Brickham Jr. (CIA Directorate of Plans, Soviet Russia Division/ commander, Project REDSKIN/ founder, Phoenix Program), William I. Monaghan (Chief of Industrial Security, Standard Fruit & Steamship Company/ Vice President, Reily Coffee Company), COL. John W. Downie (commander, 902nd Military Intelligence Group/ Director of Counterintelligence, US Army, Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence/ LIEMPTY liaison officer/ LIONION officer/ CIA liaison, Region II, 112th Military Intelligence Group, 4th US Army Operations Group), Lt. Col. Julian Martin Niemczyk (USAF Office of Special Investigations, Chief of Counterintelligence/ LIEMPTY liaison officer/ LIONION officer), William K. Lambie Jr. [Administrative & Research Director, American Security Council/ CIA Domestic Contacts Division asset/ / "Saroyan Fund" recipient/ comptroller, J.G.C.E. (Junta de Gobierno de Cuba en el Exilio)], Dr. Alton Ochsner (Information Council of the Americas), Kerry Wendell Thornley (agent provocateur, Newman Building, 544 Camp Street), COL. Samuel Goodhue Kail (commander, Caribbean Admissions Center, Opa-Locka Air Station—Madrid Interrogation Site/ commander, CIA Cuban Operations, Joint Support Group, US Army Element—Region II, 112th Military Intelligence Group, 4th US Army Operations Group—US Army Assistant Chief of Staff, Intelligence, Pentagon), Rubén Zuno Arce "LIENVOY" (Dirección Federal de Seguridad asset/ LITEMPO asset), Percival Flack Brundage (Southern Air Transport/ American Friends Of Albert Schweitzer College), COL. Dr. Jose A. Rivera (NIH Board Of Directors/ Project MKULTRA officer), Richard Edward Snyder (Senior Moscow Consular/ CIA "spotter," Project REDSKIN), Horatio Eustis Reily (CEO Reily Coffee Company/ comptroller, Information Council of the Americas), Larrie Schmidt (Young Americans for Freedom/ Conservatism USA/ John Birch Society, Dallas), Carlos Jose Bringuier (Christian Anti-Communist Crusade/ Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil/ ZRPENNY asset), David William Ferrie (Aide to National Commander, Civil Air Patrol/ commander, New Orleans Cadet Squadron, Lakefront Airport, Civil Air Patrol/ commander, Metairie Falcon Cadet Squadron—Internal Mobile Security Unit/ commander, International Anti-Communist Brigade/ pilot, United Air Taxi Service/ Cuban Democratic Revolutionary Front, 544 Camp Street/ CIA protected pedophile human trafficker), Sam J. Papich (FBI-CIA liaison), Harold Keith Thompson (Special Agent, Geheimdienst Einheit, Ausland-Sicherheitsdienst/ Sozialistische Reichspartei Deutschlands/ International Association For The Advancement Of Ethnology And Eugenics), Gordon Barton McLendon, George Alexandrovich Bouhe (DeGolyer & MacNaughton/ Project AEVIRGIL asset), C. Frank Stone III (Chief of Operations, European Section, Directorate of Plans/ liaison, Domestic Operations Division/ commander, Project "WUBRINY"), Richard Case Nagell, Spas Todorov Raikin (Secretary General, American Friends of the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc Of Nations/ Bulgarian National Front), Viola June Cobb "LICOOKY-1" (infiltrator, Fair Play For Cuba Committee/ Federal Bureau of Narcotics asset), Sgt. Daniel Groth (Chicago Police Department/ COINTELPRO asset/ CIA infiltrator, Fair Play For Cuba Committee), George Efythron Joannides AKA "Mr. Howard" AKA "Walter Newby" [JM/WAVE Chief of Psychological Warfare/ Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil (DRE) comptroller], Lt. Col. James Walter McCord Jr. (Fair Play For Cuba Committee infiltration commander/ commander, Special Analysis Division of the Wartime Information Security Program, Office of Emergency Preparedness/ commander, CATHINK-CABEZONE, 513th Military Intelligence Group/ "Saroyan Fund" paymaster/ CIA asset, “Project ROCK/IDIO/SGAPEX”/ ZRAWARD officer/ CIA liaison, Project LIHUFF), and Bernardo de Torres "WILDCAT" (Chief of Intelligence, Brigada Asalto 2506/ Dirección Federal de Seguridad asset/ Federal Bureau

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Designated patsies for post-assassination "narrative" control:

Lee Harvey Oswald AKA Alek James Hidell (pilot, Metairie Falcon Cadet Squadron—Internal Mobile Security Unit/ Reily Coffee Company/ infiltrator, Fair Play for Cuba Committee, New Orleans/ CIA provocateur, Project REDCAP/ CIA stay-behind asset, Project REDSKIN/ officer, LCIMPROVE/ asset, Project AEOCEAN/ COINTELPRO informant/ false defector, "Code-30 Operations," Office of Naval Intelligence), Richard Case Nagell (Field Operations Intelligence, CIA/ Soviet triple agent), Gilberto Policarpo Lopez (Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Miami), Thomas Arthur Vallee (John Birch Society, Chicago), Harry L. Power (Young Communist League), Joseph Rodriguez Molina (American G.I. Forum, Dallas), Santiago Garriga "AMKNOB-1" (Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Miami), and Vaughn "Snipes" Marlowe (Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Los Angeles).

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