Joe Bauer Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said: But the overwhelming response was that RFK suspected Dulles of killing his brother just as much as they all did. And was just going undercover and "feeling out" Dulles in the phone call. I didn't see it that way. i think if RFK had strong suspicions about Dulles, he wasn't the sort to hide it., and despite the well documented hostility between RFK and LBJ, I think they actually were working in tandem for the good of the country. (oh how could that be!) Over the years, I've listened to many recorded conversation tapes of LBJ and RFK speaking to each other on the phone months and even years after 11,22,1963. On the surface they sounded civil and even complimentary once or twice, but imo you still could feel RFK's restrained coolness. One late night ( I assume it was at that time ) RFK unexpectedly called LBJ and in a very worked up and even angry tone, said to Johnson ( paraphrasing ) ... I've heard that you had been told that I was involved in some type of plot to overthrow the government through force and violence!? WHOA! Johnson was in bed from what I remember and RFK's late night call was so seriously and shockingly charging in it's message, Johnson sounded extremely caught off guard and defensive. "No, No, that's in error" Johnson stammered in between taking several deep breaths to calm himself. RFK ended the seriously charging call with a "well, we'll all get through." And LBJ agreeing and throwing out a weak..."bye." What always struck me in that call was how RFK was speaking to LBJ without the slightest reverence that one would expect someone to have in a personal call to a sitting President Of The United States. And LBJ took it without any "hey, do you know who you are talking to buddy?" offense at all. RFK was pissed...and let LBJ know he was pissed. And LBJ took it. I can imagine LBJ ROARING in anger over that call and immediately calling up his "like brothers" buddy J. Edgar Hoover and reading him or anyone else who had something to do with the RFK "plotting to overthrow the government" leak the riot act. RFK had to keep up 5 years of pretending not to be suspecting of LBJ and other parts of our government for his brother's murder. RFK despised LBJ and even Hoover and I will never believe he trusted Dulles any more than those two. RFK had to keep in mind that his brother was actually murdered by some very bad and serious people. Who, as it turned out had him taken out as well. He had no choice but to "act" like he didn't think the worst regards these power heads, at least until he had the full power and protection of the presidency. IMO anyways. 1:12 NOW PLAYING Phone call with RFK and LBJ 339 views5 years ago Edited April 14 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 On 4/13/2024 at 1:02 PM, Kevin Balch said: I think the conflict between JFK and the CIA is overblown. JFK was enamored with fictional and real covert action and unconventional warfare. It seems to me that JFK’s major problem with the CIA was operational competence. The CIA’s strong suit was technical intelligence gathering and analysis which JFK appreciated. This led to the CIA proving there was no “missile gap” on which they briefed both JFK and LBJ during the 1960 campaign. Hardly the revelation the MIC would have welcomed. Nor would they have welcomed the USSR exceeding US nuclear throw-weight capacity during the 1960s which happened despite the removal of JFK. Here is an interesting dialog between Allen Dulles and Ian Fleming that took place between the JFK assassination and Fleming’s death in 1964. Apparently, Jackie Kennedy and Dulles exchanged James Bond novels before JFK was elected president. Dulles apparently met Fleming at a dinner with the Kennedys as discussed in the article. https://download1349.mediafire.com/0c6xth5rbo6ggHOi-xtz-gT6F_ycXwSRzm74vZoQ-fn1jWKk2Ri7rC6IkHwgFiz8L7xfMB0SGXP3A2y0ZMwV1cBfQMBiSecO6qGGMOxAQb6rbqTUJh0XWS6uku_Kl72aPGGWPQ-Z6mVk5rDqaCPTLKaBZ-pCFlT3bfBxLiFrzOYIOA/d6n5c2scqep4bbu/Redbookdialogue-DullesFleming.pdf Lee Harvey Oswald was a big fan of James Bond, too Web archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20100928160857/http://www.lee-harvey-oswald.com/images/Lee_Harvey_Oswald_and_His_Reading_Habits_in_New_Orleans.pdf Original web link (no longer active): http://www.lee-harvey-oswald.com/images/Lee_Harvey_Oswald_and_His_Reading_Habits_in_New_Orleans.pdf Reading List of Lee Harvey Oswald in summer, 1963 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. 22 # Pages Date Returned 22 In the 1960’s, public libraries usually purchased hardcover editions. 05/22 Biography (by a noted biographer) Portrait of a Revolutionary: Mao Tse-Tung 1961 311 06/03 Robert Payne 06/01 Murder Investigation (respected Chicago-New Orleans journalist) The Huey Long Murder Case Hermann B. Deutsch 1963 180 06/15 06/01 Documentary History (conservative writers) The Berlin Wall Dean & David Heller 1962 ~223 06/15 06/12 Documentary History (author of popular books on US military history) Conflict Robert Leckie 1962 448 06/26 Full title: Conflict: the History of the Korean War, 1950-53 06/17 Geography and economics textbook (US geographer and professor) Soviet Potentials George B. Cressey 1962 262 07/01 Full Title: Soviet Potentials: A Geographic Appraisal 06/17 Expository textbook on Communism by husband-wife writing team in psychology & sociology: J. Edgar Hoover wrote recommendation. (The book was checked out for me: Oswald, a recent USSR resident, knew all this material. See Me & Lee for details) What We Must Know Harry Overstreet 1958 348 07/01 About Communism (actual authors: Harry & Bonaro Overstreet) Full Title: What We Must Know About Communism: Its Beginnings, Its Growth, Its Present Status 06/17 Cerebral essays by Schweitzer, Huxley, Oppenheimer, Marcel, Sartre, etc. This is My Philosophy Edited by Whit. Burnett 1958 378 07/01 (actual editors: Whitney, James & William Burnett) Full Title: This Is My Philosophy: Twenty of the World's Outstanding Thinkers Reveal the Deepest Meanings They Have Found in Life. Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 06/23 Science fiction: Hugo Winner by the author of 2001 A Fall of Moondust A. C. Clark 1961 224 07/12 (actual name: Arthur C. Clark) (Why was this book estimated by the FBI to have been checked out by Oswald on 06/23, when it was returned four days later than Thunderball?) 06/24 James Bond spy novel, 9th in the series Thunderball Ian Fleming (US) 1962 ~272 07/08 07/01 Biography by a noted author, also a Kennedy admirer and personal friend of JFK Portrait of a President: John F. Kennedy 1962 ~266 07/15 John F. Kennedy (struck through: by Secret Service?) William Manchester 07/06 3rd in popular Napoleonic era quasi-historic adventure series by the noted author Hornblower and the Hotspur C. S. Forester 1962 400 07/20 07/06 Soviet Prison Camp Life by (Nobel Prize) anti-communist Russian author One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch 1963 160 07/20 (Russian Title: Один день Ивана Денисовича) or 192 Alexander Solzihnitsyn (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn) 07/10 Documentary History by the famed Russian-born anti-Nazi British journalist Russia Under Khrushchev Alexander Werth 1962 ~342 07/24 07/10 1st volume (9 stories) of Science Fiction‘s best, ed. by a noted scientist-author The Hugo Winners Ed. Isaac Asimov 1962 318 07/24 07/15 History: exploration of the Nile by the renowned author & war correspondent The Blue Nile Alan Moorehead 1962 ~368 07/29 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 07/15 Then-Senator John F. Kennedy‘s account of 8 US Senators whose courageous political battles created a better America Profiles in Courage John F. Kennedy 1954 272 07/29 07/18 Five full-length spy novels: The Great Impersonation by E. Phillips Oppenheim / Greenmantle by John Buchan / Epitaph for a Spy by Eric Ambler / No Surrender by Martha Albrand / No Entry by Manning Coles Five Spy Novels selected by Howard Haycraft 1962 757 08/01 07/30 Historical Fiction Description on the dust cover: “At the head of the onrushing Hittite legions was Lord Marduk. He was young, he had great wealth, high rank and his wife, Arinna was the most beautiful woman in the empire, but her warped passions drove him to seek another woman's arms.”23 23 By this time, Oswald and I had become lovers: both of us were unhappy with how our mates treated us. I am therefore intrigued by the description on this dust cover. The Hittite Noel B. Gerson 1963 224 08/13 07/30 Science Fiction : 9 novelettes of life in the future Mind Partner ed. H. L. Gold 1962 241 08/13 07/31 1976 Ed. listed in Bibliographies, AIS (Archeological Institute of America) p. 19 Everyday Life in Ancient Rome F. R. Cowell 1961 ~207 08/14 07/31 9 short stories, 2 comic poems by the great Asimov; re future computer dangers Nine Tomorrows Isaac Asimov 1959 236 08/14 08/03 Science Fiction anthology: 15 stories The Expert Dreamers ed. Frederik Pohl 1962 248 08/19 08/03 12 Science Fiction stories by the famed classic S-F writer The Worlds of Clifford Simak Clifford Simak 1960 302 08/22 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 08/12 17 selections from the writings of Huxley, Wells, Poe, Jules Verne, etc. The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics ed Harold Keubler 1954 694 08/26 08/22 5th in the famed series; one of JFK‘s 10 favorite books (Life Magazine: 03/17/61) From Russia with Love Ian Fleming 1957 253 09/05 08/22 Anthology: 16 Science Fiction and Fantasy stories Portals of Tomorrow August Derleth 1954 371 09/05 Actual Title: Portals of Tomorrow: the Best Tales of Science Fiction and Other Fantasy 08/22 “How to Write Science Fiction‖ and 11 other Science Fiction stories The Sixth Galaxy Reader H. L. Gold ~1962 240 09/05 08/22 The famed novel, a Christian classic, by a revered US General Ben Hur Lew Wallace 1961 510 09/23 Actual Title: Ben Hur – a Story of the Christ 08/22 Considered the best Science Fiction anthologist by many. Big Book of Science Fiction Groft (sic) Conklin 1950 187 09/23 Actual Title; The Big Book of Science Fiction (‗The‖ often dropped from its true title) Actual Author‘s Name: Groff Conklin 08/22 Historical fiction. Trans.from French. Author a former Japanese prisoner of war. The Bridge Over the River Kwai Pierre Boulle 1954 ~225 09/23 09/19 Science fiction: Huxley‘s vision of a brutal world after nuclear war, circa 2108 Ape and Essence Aldous Huxley 1948 207 10/03 09/19 Brave New World ranked 5th on The Modern Library‘s Board list of the 100 best English language novels of the 20th century in 201024. Futuristic novel w/ science fiction. 24 http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100bestnovels.html Brave New World Aldous Huxley 193225 288 10/03 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 09/19 The 7th novel in the series. Goldfinger Ian Fleming 1959 ~220 10/03 09/19 The 3rd novel in the series. Moonraker Ian Fleming 1955 ~256 10/03 ―None of the books that OSWALD read were written by leftists…‖ A. J. Weberman, Nodule 11, orig. p. 39) Though Oswald‘s library books were not written by leftists, what about the newspapers to which he subscribed? Official version accounts will probably not mention the possibility that Oswald was a fake defector who had to keep up a veneer of being a communist, though even in the USSR he never joined the communist party and was not arrested when he returned to the United States more than two and a half years later. His saga as a ―defector‖ is worth a close study.26 There is no doubt he read many Communist newspapers, and this was known to the US Postal service before Oswald moved to New Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 06/23 Science fiction: Hugo Winner by the author of 2001 A Fall of Moondust A. C. Clark 1961 224 07/12 (actual name: Arthur C. Clark) (Why was this book estimated by the FBI to have been checked out by Oswald on 06/23, when it was returned four days later than Thunderball?) 06/24 James Bond spy novel, 9th in the series Thunderball Ian Fleming (US) 1962 ~272 07/08 07/01 Biography by a noted author, also a Kennedy admirer and personal friend of JFK Portrait of a President: John F. Kennedy 1962 ~266 07/15 John F. Kennedy (struck through: by Secret Service?) William Manchester 07/06 3rd in popular Napoleonic era quasi-historic adventure series by the noted author Hornblower and the Hotspur C. S. Forester 1962 400 07/20 07/06 Soviet Prison Camp Life by (Nobel Prize) anti-communist Russian author One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch 1963 160 07/20 (Russian Title: Один день Ивана Денисовича) or 192 Alexander Solzihnitsyn (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn) 07/10 Documentary History by the famed Russian-born anti-Nazi British journalist Russia Under Khrushchev Alexander Werth 1962 ~342 07/24 07/10 1st volume (9 stories) of Science Fiction‘s best, ed. by a noted scientist-author The Hugo Winners Ed. Isaac Asimov 1962 318 07/24 07/15 History: exploration of the Nile by the renowned author & war correspondent The Blue Nile Alan Moorehead 1962 ~368 07/29 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 07/15 Then-Senator John F. Kennedy‘s account of 8 US Senators whose courageous political battles created a better America Profiles in Courage John F. Kennedy 1954 272 07/29 07/18 Five full-length spy novels: The Great Impersonation by E. Phillips Oppenheim / Greenmantle by John Buchan / Epitaph for a Spy by Eric Ambler / No Surrender by Martha Albrand / No Entry by Manning Coles Five Spy Novels selected by Howard Haycraft 1962 757 08/01 07/30 Historical Fiction Description on the dust cover: “At the head of the onrushing Hittite legions was Lord Marduk. He was young, he had great wealth, high rank and his wife, Arinna was the most beautiful woman in the empire, but her warped passions drove him to seek another woman's arms.”23 23 By this time, Oswald and I had become lovers: both of us were unhappy with how our mates treated us. I am therefore intrigued by the description on this dust cover. The Hittite Noel B. Gerson 1963 224 08/13 07/30 Science Fiction : 9 novelettes of life in the future Mind Partner ed. H. L. Gold 1962 241 08/13 07/31 1976 Ed. listed in Bibliographies, AIS (Archeological Institute of America) p. 19 Everyday Life in Ancient Rome F. R. Cowell 1961 ~207 08/14 07/31 9 short stories, 2 comic poems by the great Asimov; re future computer dangers Nine Tomorrows Isaac Asimov 1959 236 08/14 08/03 Science Fiction anthology: 15 stories The Expert Dreamers ed. Frederik Pohl 1962 248 08/19 08/03 12 Science Fiction stories by the famed classic S-F writer The Worlds of Clifford Simak Clifford Simak 1960 302 08/22 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 08/12 17 selections from the writings of Huxley, Wells, Poe, Jules Verne, etc. The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics ed Harold Keubler 1954 694 08/26 08/22 5th in the famed series; one of JFK‘s 10 favorite books (Life Magazine: 03/17/61) From Russia with Love Ian Fleming 1957 253 09/05 08/22 Anthology: 16 Science Fiction and Fantasy stories Portals of Tomorrow August Derleth 1954 371 09/05 Actual Title: Portals of Tomorrow: the Best Tales of Science Fiction and Other Fantasy 08/22 “How to Write Science Fiction‖ and 11 other Science Fiction stories The Sixth Galaxy Reader H. L. Gold ~1962 240 09/05 08/22 The famed novel, a Christian classic, by a revered US General Ben Hur Lew Wallace 1961 510 09/23 Actual Title: Ben Hur – a Story of the Christ 08/22 Considered the best Science Fiction anthologist by many. Big Book of Science Fiction Groft (sic) Conklin 1950 187 09/23 Actual Title; The Big Book of Science Fiction (‗The‖ often dropped from its true title) Actual Author‘s Name: Groff Conklin 08/22 Historical fiction. Trans.from French. Author a former Japanese prisoner of war. The Bridge Over the River Kwai Pierre Boulle 1954 ~225 09/23 09/19 Science fiction: Huxley‘s vision of a brutal world after nuclear war, circa 2108 Ape and Essence Aldous Huxley 1948 207 10/03 09/19 Brave New World ranked 5th on The Modern Library‘s Board list of the 100 best English language novels of the 20th century in 201024. Futuristic novel w/ science fiction. 24 http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100bestnovels.html Brave New World Aldous Huxley 193225 288 10/03 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 09/19 The 7th novel in the series. Goldfinger Ian Fleming 1959 ~220 10/03 09/19 The 3rd novel in the series. Moonraker Ian Fleming 1955 ~256 10/03 ―None of the books that OSWALD read were written by leftists…‖ A. J. Weberman, Nodule 11, orig. p. 39) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 19 hours ago, Kevin Balch said: Whoever it was (assuming, as I do, that the Lone Nut theory is incorrect) 1. Saw an existential threat to something very impotant to them. Not something like loss of the oil depletion allowance or government contract. And no, JFK was not about to “end the fed” or “restore honest money”. 2. Could not wait for the results of the 1964 election, implying they had insufficient or no influence within the media to release politically damaging information on JFK. 3. Felt they would get much better treatment from LBJ though that does not necessarily mean it was LBJ. Far more likely to be about Cuba (either pro or anti Castro) than Vietnam. I find it interesting that the US can have a rapprochement with Vietnam and almost with N. Korea but not Cuba. You would think Trump of all people would have tried to set something up to benefit his real estate business. If communism ever falls in Cuba, I expect intense US government interest in the Cuban archives. Regarding Dulles specifically, I listened in on a recorded phone call between Dulles and LBJ/RFK regarding sending Dulles to Mississippi to act as a representative of the federal government and check the progress in the search for the missing civil rights activists.on the progress of the search. I did not sense RFK had any animosity toward Dulles based on the tone of voice. You want the #1 reason for the JFK assassination? The Kennedys were within days about to politically and personally destroy Lyndon Johnson with massive coordinated media exposes on LBJ's corruption as well as having a Kennedy-supported Senate Rules Committee investigation into LBJ's corruption (bribes, kickbacks, pay to play rule). LBJ and his Texas power brokers were acutely aware of this and took action with their helpers in the military and intelligence. Jeremy Kuzmarov’s scholarly article for Covert Action Magazine which indicts LBJ for the JFK assassination https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/11/22/60-years-after-jfks-death-it-is-more-and-more-apparent-that-kennedy-was-a-victim-of-a-palace-coup-spearheaded-by-vice-president-lyndon-b-johnson/ LBJ top aide Horace Busby: Lyndon Johnson was acutely aware by Nov. 4, 1963 that the Kennedys had sent a SWAT team of over **FORTY** national reporters to Texas to utterly destroy him https://robertmorrowpoliticalresearchblog.blogspot.com/2020/07/lyndon-johnson-was-acutely-aware-by-nov.html I wonder how LBJ would have reacted? Burkett van Kirk (GOP Senate Rules Committee counsel) and James Wagenvoord (Life Magazine assistant editor) prove the Kennedys were out to destroy LBJ in November of 1963 http://robertmorrowpoliticalresearchblog.blogspot.com/2021/08/senate-counsel-burkett-van-kirk-and.html National Review’s Phil Brennan knew in real time all about the Kennedys’ ongoing plan to destroy LBJ with the media in fall of 1963: https://www.newsmax.com/Pre-2008/Some-Relevant-Facts-About/2003/11/18/id/677423/ LBJ insiders Dallas investors D.H. Byrd and James Ling bought 132,000 shares of LTV stock at $16/share in November, 1963. By 1967 the military contractor was trading at a whopping $169/share https://robertmorrowpoliticalresearchblog.blogspot.com/2024/03/lyndon-johnsons-dallas-tx-insider-pals.html Jackie Kennedy tapes: JFK and RFK had plans to stop LBJ from ever being president: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Jacqueline_Kennedy/jacqueline-kennedy-reveals-jfk-feared-lbj-presidency/story?id=14477930 LBJ’s right arm Bobby Baker predicted on Inauguration Day 1961 (1/20/61) that JFK would die a violent death and not live out his term: https://robertmorrowpoliticalresearchblog.blogspot.com/2022/05/lbjs-right-arm-bobby-baker-told-don.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) 23 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: RB- Yes, a few non sequiturs here and there. 1. In my estimation, the LBJ-LHO connection seems empty. (But others have said LBJ knew people who knew people who knew LHO). I brought up LBJ as a candidate for someone who met some criteria for perping a JFKA on a timeline. LBJ did not have power to swing national media or globalist policies, especially if he was going to be disgraced by LIFE magazine. So he had a motive to perp the JFKA sooner, rather than later. It is a proven fact that both Lee Harvey Oswald and and Lyndon Johnson knew George DeMohrenschildt. LBJ absolutely had the power to swing national media; the owners, executives and reporters of the national media were Lyndon Johnson's personal friends for decades. For example, LBJ was pals with William Paley of CBS since 1943 and CBS did many favors for both LBJ and the the CIA. Lyndon Johnson, FBI J. Edgar Hoover and CIA Allen Dulles, collectively, had a massive media manipulation operation. J. Edgar Hoover, of course, was a close neighbor and friend of LBJ from 1943 to 1961. The FBI's de facto PR man Deke DeLoach was a close personal friend of Lyndon Johnson. LBJ used Deke DeLoach to vet Richard Helms for the CIA directorship (told to me personally by Deke DeLoach in 2011). Lyndon Johnson a great pal with Lew Wasserman the King of Hollywood and other moguls like Arthur Krim. LBJ's top Wall Street fundraisers was a Jew named Ed Weisel who ALSO was the chief counsel for the Hearst Media empire. Everywhere you turn you will see Lyndon Johnson plugged in at the highest levels of the media. CBS President Richard Stanton in fact acted as an IMAGE CONSULTANT for LBJ while he was in the White House! See all about that in David Halberstam's book on the media called The Powers that Be. LBJ was personal friends with these media powers that were. Someone needs to write a 700 page book on the close ties and personal friends between Lyndon Johnson and all the media: TV., radio, print, Hollywood, newspapers, magazines. LIFE Magazine, who was preparing to gut LBJ in its issue to be print on 11/29/63 flipped on a time to became one of LBJ's greatest shields, protecting him from scrutiny in the JFK assassination as Life went along with the JFK assassination cover up. LIFE Magazine, just like the Washington Post, was a hawk on the Vietnam War. Phil and later Katherine Graham were close personal friends of Lyndon Johnson. Edited April 15 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 hour ago, Robert Morrow said: It is a proven fact that both Lee Harvey Oswald and and Lyndon Johnson knew George DeMohrenschildt. LBJ absolutely had the power to swing national media; the owners, executives and reporters of the national media were Lyndon Johnson's personal friends for decades. For example, LBJ was pals with William Paley of CBS since 1943 and CBS did many favors for both LBJ and the the CIA. Lyndon Johnson, FBI J. Edgar Hoover and CIA Allen Dulles, collectively, had a massive media manipulation operation. J. Edgar Hoover, of course, was a close neighbor and friend of LBJ from 1943 to 1961. The FBI's de facto PR man Deke DeLoach was a close personal friend of Lyndon Johnson. LBJ used Deke DeLoach to vet Richard Helms for the CIA directorship (told to me personally by Deke DeLoach in 2011). Lyndon Johnson a great pal with Lew Wasserman the King of Hollywood and other moguls like Arthur Krim. LBJ's top Wall Street fundraisers was a Jew named Ed Weisel who ALSO was the chief counsel for the Hearst Media empire. Everywhere you turn you will see Lyndon Johnson plugged in at the highest levels of the media. CBS President Richard Stanton in fact acted as an IMAGE CONSULTANTE for LBJ while he was in the White House! See all about that in David Halberstam's book on the media called The Powers that Be. LBJ was personal friends with these media powers that were. Someone needs to write a 700 page book on the close ties and personal friends between Lyndon Johnson and all the media: TV., radio, print, Hollywood, newspapers, magazines. LIFE Magazine, who was preparing to gut LBJ in its issue to be print on 11/29/63 flipped on a time to became one of LBJ's greatest shields, protecting him from scrutiny in the JFK assassination as Life went along with the JFK assassination cover up. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Balch Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 2 hours ago, Robert Morrow said: LIFE Magazine, who was preparing to gut LBJ in its issue to be print on 11/29/63 flipped on a time to became one of LBJ's greatest shields, protecting him from scrutiny in the JFK assassination as Life went along with the JFK assassination cover up I agree that after he became president LBJ did have the power to sway the media. That usually came with the office unless the media took a dislike to you such as Trump and Nixon and to a lesser extent Reagan. But as you noted, just before the assassination they were ready to gut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kevin Balch said: I agree that after he became president LBJ did have the power to sway the media. That usually came with the office unless the media took a dislike to you such as Trump and Nixon and to a lesser extent Reagan. But as you noted, just before the assassination they were ready to gut him. That is the difference between being president with a well known history of vindictiveness and aggressiveness vs being a vice president who the media insiders, including Life and the Washington Post were ready to gut in early November, 1963. The same media organizations who the Kennedys were using to destroy Lyndon Johnson in November, 1963 were the SAME media organizations who carried water for Lyndon Johnson on the JFK assassination and on the topic of Vietnam for years, until Vietnam was such a mess that everyone knew it had been a gargantuan mistake. Never underestimate the deep and longstanding media ties of 1) Lyndon Johnson 2) CIA and Allen Dulles and 3) FBI J. Edgar Hoover and Deke DeLoach. All of these men were friends at the OWNERSHIP LEVEL with the national corporate media. And they used their influence in spades in the aftermath of the JFK assassination. Edited April 15 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 3 hours ago, Robert Morrow said: Lee Harvey Oswald was a big fan of James Bond, too Web archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20100928160857/http://www.lee-harvey-oswald.com/images/Lee_Harvey_Oswald_and_His_Reading_Habits_in_New_Orleans.pdf Original web link (no longer active): http://www.lee-harvey-oswald.com/images/Lee_Harvey_Oswald_and_His_Reading_Habits_in_New_Orleans.pdf Reading List of Lee Harvey Oswald in summer, 1963 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. 22 # Pages Date Returned 22 In the 1960’s, public libraries usually purchased hardcover editions. 05/22 Biography (by a noted biographer) Portrait of a Revolutionary: Mao Tse-Tung 1961 311 06/03 Robert Payne 06/01 Murder Investigation (respected Chicago-New Orleans journalist) The Huey Long Murder Case Hermann B. Deutsch 1963 180 06/15 06/01 Documentary History (conservative writers) The Berlin Wall Dean & David Heller 1962 ~223 06/15 06/12 Documentary History (author of popular books on US military history) Conflict Robert Leckie 1962 448 06/26 Full title: Conflict: the History of the Korean War, 1950-53 06/17 Geography and economics textbook (US geographer and professor) Soviet Potentials George B. Cressey 1962 262 07/01 Full Title: Soviet Potentials: A Geographic Appraisal 06/17 Expository textbook on Communism by husband-wife writing team in psychology & sociology: J. Edgar Hoover wrote recommendation. (The book was checked out for me: Oswald, a recent USSR resident, knew all this material. See Me & Lee for details) What We Must Know Harry Overstreet 1958 348 07/01 About Communism (actual authors: Harry & Bonaro Overstreet) Full Title: What We Must Know About Communism: Its Beginnings, Its Growth, Its Present Status 06/17 Cerebral essays by Schweitzer, Huxley, Oppenheimer, Marcel, Sartre, etc. This is My Philosophy Edited by Whit. Burnett 1958 378 07/01 (actual editors: Whitney, James & William Burnett) Full Title: This Is My Philosophy: Twenty of the World's Outstanding Thinkers Reveal the Deepest Meanings They Have Found in Life. Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 06/23 Science fiction: Hugo Winner by the author of 2001 A Fall of Moondust A. C. Clark 1961 224 07/12 (actual name: Arthur C. Clark) (Why was this book estimated by the FBI to have been checked out by Oswald on 06/23, when it was returned four days later than Thunderball?) 06/24 James Bond spy novel, 9th in the series Thunderball Ian Fleming (US) 1962 ~272 07/08 07/01 Biography by a noted author, also a Kennedy admirer and personal friend of JFK Portrait of a President: John F. Kennedy 1962 ~266 07/15 John F. Kennedy (struck through: by Secret Service?) William Manchester 07/06 3rd in popular Napoleonic era quasi-historic adventure series by the noted author Hornblower and the Hotspur C. S. Forester 1962 400 07/20 07/06 Soviet Prison Camp Life by (Nobel Prize) anti-communist Russian author One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch 1963 160 07/20 (Russian Title: Один день Ивана Денисовича) or 192 Alexander Solzihnitsyn (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn) 07/10 Documentary History by the famed Russian-born anti-Nazi British journalist Russia Under Khrushchev Alexander Werth 1962 ~342 07/24 07/10 1st volume (9 stories) of Science Fiction‘s best, ed. by a noted scientist-author The Hugo Winners Ed. Isaac Asimov 1962 318 07/24 07/15 History: exploration of the Nile by the renowned author & war correspondent The Blue Nile Alan Moorehead 1962 ~368 07/29 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 07/15 Then-Senator John F. Kennedy‘s account of 8 US Senators whose courageous political battles created a better America Profiles in Courage John F. Kennedy 1954 272 07/29 07/18 Five full-length spy novels: The Great Impersonation by E. Phillips Oppenheim / Greenmantle by John Buchan / Epitaph for a Spy by Eric Ambler / No Surrender by Martha Albrand / No Entry by Manning Coles Five Spy Novels selected by Howard Haycraft 1962 757 08/01 07/30 Historical Fiction Description on the dust cover: “At the head of the onrushing Hittite legions was Lord Marduk. He was young, he had great wealth, high rank and his wife, Arinna was the most beautiful woman in the empire, but her warped passions drove him to seek another woman's arms.”23 23 By this time, Oswald and I had become lovers: both of us were unhappy with how our mates treated us. I am therefore intrigued by the description on this dust cover. The Hittite Noel B. Gerson 1963 224 08/13 07/30 Science Fiction : 9 novelettes of life in the future Mind Partner ed. H. L. Gold 1962 241 08/13 07/31 1976 Ed. listed in Bibliographies, AIS (Archeological Institute of America) p. 19 Everyday Life in Ancient Rome F. R. Cowell 1961 ~207 08/14 07/31 9 short stories, 2 comic poems by the great Asimov; re future computer dangers Nine Tomorrows Isaac Asimov 1959 236 08/14 08/03 Science Fiction anthology: 15 stories The Expert Dreamers ed. Frederik Pohl 1962 248 08/19 08/03 12 Science Fiction stories by the famed classic S-F writer The Worlds of Clifford Simak Clifford Simak 1960 302 08/22 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 08/12 17 selections from the writings of Huxley, Wells, Poe, Jules Verne, etc. The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics ed Harold Keubler 1954 694 08/26 08/22 5th in the famed series; one of JFK‘s 10 favorite books (Life Magazine: 03/17/61) From Russia with Love Ian Fleming 1957 253 09/05 08/22 Anthology: 16 Science Fiction and Fantasy stories Portals of Tomorrow August Derleth 1954 371 09/05 Actual Title: Portals of Tomorrow: the Best Tales of Science Fiction and Other Fantasy 08/22 “How to Write Science Fiction‖ and 11 other Science Fiction stories The Sixth Galaxy Reader H. L. Gold ~1962 240 09/05 08/22 The famed novel, a Christian classic, by a revered US General Ben Hur Lew Wallace 1961 510 09/23 Actual Title: Ben Hur – a Story of the Christ 08/22 Considered the best Science Fiction anthologist by many. Big Book of Science Fiction Groft (sic) Conklin 1950 187 09/23 Actual Title; The Big Book of Science Fiction (‗The‖ often dropped from its true title) Actual Author‘s Name: Groff Conklin 08/22 Historical fiction. Trans.from French. Author a former Japanese prisoner of war. The Bridge Over the River Kwai Pierre Boulle 1954 ~225 09/23 09/19 Science fiction: Huxley‘s vision of a brutal world after nuclear war, circa 2108 Ape and Essence Aldous Huxley 1948 207 10/03 09/19 Brave New World ranked 5th on The Modern Library‘s Board list of the 100 best English language novels of the 20th century in 201024. Futuristic novel w/ science fiction. 24 http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100bestnovels.html Brave New World Aldous Huxley 193225 288 10/03 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 09/19 The 7th novel in the series. Goldfinger Ian Fleming 1959 ~220 10/03 09/19 The 3rd novel in the series. Moonraker Ian Fleming 1955 ~256 10/03 ―None of the books that OSWALD read were written by leftists…‖ A. J. Weberman, Nodule 11, orig. p. 39) Though Oswald‘s library books were not written by leftists, what about the newspapers to which he subscribed? Official version accounts will probably not mention the possibility that Oswald was a fake defector who had to keep up a veneer of being a communist, though even in the USSR he never joined the communist party and was not arrested when he returned to the United States more than two and a half years later. His saga as a ―defector‖ is worth a close study.26 There is no doubt he read many Communist newspapers, and this was known to the US Postal service before Oswald moved to New Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 06/23 Science fiction: Hugo Winner by the author of 2001 A Fall of Moondust A. C. Clark 1961 224 07/12 (actual name: Arthur C. Clark) (Why was this book estimated by the FBI to have been checked out by Oswald on 06/23, when it was returned four days later than Thunderball?) 06/24 James Bond spy novel, 9th in the series Thunderball Ian Fleming (US) 1962 ~272 07/08 07/01 Biography by a noted author, also a Kennedy admirer and personal friend of JFK Portrait of a President: John F. Kennedy 1962 ~266 07/15 John F. Kennedy (struck through: by Secret Service?) William Manchester 07/06 3rd in popular Napoleonic era quasi-historic adventure series by the noted author Hornblower and the Hotspur C. S. Forester 1962 400 07/20 07/06 Soviet Prison Camp Life by (Nobel Prize) anti-communist Russian author One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch 1963 160 07/20 (Russian Title: Один день Ивана Денисовича) or 192 Alexander Solzihnitsyn (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn) 07/10 Documentary History by the famed Russian-born anti-Nazi British journalist Russia Under Khrushchev Alexander Werth 1962 ~342 07/24 07/10 1st volume (9 stories) of Science Fiction‘s best, ed. by a noted scientist-author The Hugo Winners Ed. Isaac Asimov 1962 318 07/24 07/15 History: exploration of the Nile by the renowned author & war correspondent The Blue Nile Alan Moorehead 1962 ~368 07/29 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 07/15 Then-Senator John F. Kennedy‘s account of 8 US Senators whose courageous political battles created a better America Profiles in Courage John F. Kennedy 1954 272 07/29 07/18 Five full-length spy novels: The Great Impersonation by E. Phillips Oppenheim / Greenmantle by John Buchan / Epitaph for a Spy by Eric Ambler / No Surrender by Martha Albrand / No Entry by Manning Coles Five Spy Novels selected by Howard Haycraft 1962 757 08/01 07/30 Historical Fiction Description on the dust cover: “At the head of the onrushing Hittite legions was Lord Marduk. He was young, he had great wealth, high rank and his wife, Arinna was the most beautiful woman in the empire, but her warped passions drove him to seek another woman's arms.”23 23 By this time, Oswald and I had become lovers: both of us were unhappy with how our mates treated us. I am therefore intrigued by the description on this dust cover. The Hittite Noel B. Gerson 1963 224 08/13 07/30 Science Fiction : 9 novelettes of life in the future Mind Partner ed. H. L. Gold 1962 241 08/13 07/31 1976 Ed. listed in Bibliographies, AIS (Archeological Institute of America) p. 19 Everyday Life in Ancient Rome F. R. Cowell 1961 ~207 08/14 07/31 9 short stories, 2 comic poems by the great Asimov; re future computer dangers Nine Tomorrows Isaac Asimov 1959 236 08/14 08/03 Science Fiction anthology: 15 stories The Expert Dreamers ed. Frederik Pohl 1962 248 08/19 08/03 12 Science Fiction stories by the famed classic S-F writer The Worlds of Clifford Simak Clifford Simak 1960 302 08/22 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 08/12 17 selections from the writings of Huxley, Wells, Poe, Jules Verne, etc. The Treasury of Science Fiction Classics ed Harold Keubler 1954 694 08/26 08/22 5th in the famed series; one of JFK‘s 10 favorite books (Life Magazine: 03/17/61) From Russia with Love Ian Fleming 1957 253 09/05 08/22 Anthology: 16 Science Fiction and Fantasy stories Portals of Tomorrow August Derleth 1954 371 09/05 Actual Title: Portals of Tomorrow: the Best Tales of Science Fiction and Other Fantasy 08/22 “How to Write Science Fiction‖ and 11 other Science Fiction stories The Sixth Galaxy Reader H. L. Gold ~1962 240 09/05 08/22 The famed novel, a Christian classic, by a revered US General Ben Hur Lew Wallace 1961 510 09/23 Actual Title: Ben Hur – a Story of the Christ 08/22 Considered the best Science Fiction anthologist by many. Big Book of Science Fiction Groft (sic) Conklin 1950 187 09/23 Actual Title; The Big Book of Science Fiction (‗The‖ often dropped from its true title) Actual Author‘s Name: Groff Conklin 08/22 Historical fiction. Trans.from French. Author a former Japanese prisoner of war. The Bridge Over the River Kwai Pierre Boulle 1954 ~225 09/23 09/19 Science fiction: Huxley‘s vision of a brutal world after nuclear war, circa 2108 Ape and Essence Aldous Huxley 1948 207 10/03 09/19 Brave New World ranked 5th on The Modern Library‘s Board list of the 100 best English language novels of the 20th century in 201024. Futuristic novel w/ science fiction. 24 http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100bestnovels.html Brave New World Aldous Huxley 193225 288 10/03 Date Out/Title of Book/Full Title Author(s) Pub. # Pages Date Returned 09/19 The 7th novel in the series. Goldfinger Ian Fleming 1959 ~220 10/03 09/19 The 3rd novel in the series. Moonraker Ian Fleming 1955 ~256 10/03 ―None of the books that OSWALD read were written by leftists…‖ A. J. Weberman, Nodule 11, orig. p. 39) RM-- This was a 24-year-old fellow with no college education, yet he was reading some serious stuff. LHO's manuscript on llfe in Russia also shows an active, insightful mind. LHO strikes me as a high-IQ fellow. Joined his high-school chess and astronomy clubs too. Now, who joins their high-school chess club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Morrow contributed to Sean Fetter's two volume new set, which is an LBJ did it book. And its pretty awful. The first part of my review is up now at K and K. The second part will be up probably tomorrow, that is the LBJ part. BTW, you can find quotes by bth RFK and JFK that they were not going to dump Johnson in a second term. And if you cannot find them its because you are not looking for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) There WAS a dispute between Kennedy, the Fed and Wall Street. One of the best books ever written about Kennedy illustrates this, Battling Wall Street by Don Gibson. Kennedy's agent against them was James Saxon. https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/james-saxon-and-john-kennedy-vs-wall-street Edited April 15 by James DiEugenio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 I still believe LBJ was used. By those authorizing the execution, the plotters and planners who oversaw the executioners. They knew they had to have their puppet in place before the Kennedy's dumped LBJ. Which was going to start in the news the next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said: Morrow contributed to Sean Fetter's two volume new set, which is an LBJ did it book. And its pretty awful. The first part of my review is up now at K and K. The second part will be up probably tomorrow, that is the LBJ part. BTW, you can find quotes by bth RFK and JFK that they were not going to dump Johnson in a second term. And if you cannot find them its because you are not looking for them. And you can find quotes by the Kennedys saying that JFK did not have Addison's Disease, too, which, btw, Lyndon Johnson's team of John Connally and India Edwards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_Edwards) were pounding Kennedy with at the 1960 Democratic convention. John Kennedy, big fat liar that he was, was making public comments in the fall of 1963 that he was going to keep LBJ on the Democratic ticket at the very same time he had unleashed Robert Kennedy to enact a "destroy LBJ" program of coordinated national media exposes into LBJ's epic corruption of massive kickbacks and bribes. James Wagenvoord of LIFE magazine confirmed that Robert Kennedy was behind this. I once asked Wagenvoord, how did you know it was RFK who was sending you all the LBJ dirt and Wagenvoord said that a JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LAWYER had been sent to Life with a large dossier of dirt on LBJ. Robert Kennedy, of course, ran the Justice Department. Senate GOP counsel Burkett van Kirk, interviewed by Seymour Hersh and others, confirmed that RFK had sent a JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LAWYER up to the Republicans on Capitol Hill with a dossier on LBJ that was delivered to GOP members of the Senate Rules Committee, who the Kennedys were urging to take down Lyndon Johnson. And the of course AFTER the JFK assassination, Robert Kennedy, big fat liar that he was, denied, and other RFK aides denied, that the Kennedys were going to dump Johnson. Oh, but Evelyn Lincoln knew better and she in her book let everyone what was going to happen to Johnson. Evelyn Lincoln, like Jackie Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy and Robert Kennedy and Jackie's Mom Janet Auchincloss, was convinced that Lyndon Johnson was behind the JFK assassination. The reason Robert Kennedy and his aides denied that the Kennedys were going to drop the completely hated Johnson was that they thought it would negatively affect RFK's future presidential prospects. This is the same reason Jackie and Robert Kennedy went to war with their author William Manchester: because his book contained much material, gotten from the Kennedys themselves, that was very negative about Lyndon Johnson. The Kennedys were worried that this might make them look spiteful or like sore losers. The hard reality of it was the Kennedys in their guts KNEW Lyndon Johnson had murdered JFK but they did not have the 100% goods to go public and say that. In the fall of 1963, Lyndon Johnson was acutely aware of and highly agitated about the Kennedys' ongoing attempt to destroy him - just ask LBJ aides George Reedy, Horace Busby and John Connally who have all confirmed this. Mere days before the JFK assassination, Robert Kennedy's friends gave him an LBJ voodoo doll for his 38th birthday (RFK born on 11/20/1925). But you gotta be careful: if you stick pins in LBJ, he might stick BULLETS in you! Let me further add, the #1 cause of the JFK assassination was the Kennedys absolute war with Lyndon Johnson; it was not because (primarily) of some sort of JFK "move to peace" that the military and CIA looked unkindly on. I do think that Gen. Edward Lansdale was enraged over the death of Diem, which he would have blamed JFK, and that some anti-Castro Cubans who killed JFK were angry over no Kennedy invasion of Cuba. Edited April 15 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said: I still believe LBJ was used. By those authorizing the execution, the plotters and planners who oversaw the executioners. They knew they had to have their puppet in place before the Kennedy's dumped LBJ. Which was going to start in the news the next week. Would you like absolute proof that Lyndon Johnson was deeply involved in the JFK assassination and not some sort of "informed bystander" while other people did the dirty deed? Here it is: Lyndon Johnson and his top Secret Service aide Rufus Youngblood were LISTENING TO A WALKIE TALKIE TURNED DOWN LOW while LBJ was in the Dallas motorcade just a few cars behind sitting duck John Kennedy. Senator Ralph Yarborough witnessed this and years later told Jim Marrs about this. This is no innocent reason for LBJ and Youngblood listening to a walkie talkie turned down so low Lady Bird and Sen. Yarborough could not hear what was being said. Really, Lyndon Johnson, you can't sit quietly and relaxed in a motorade for 30 minutes while you are en route to having lunch at the Dallas Trade Mart? Mr. Johnson, why are you on a walkie talkie mere minutes before a bullet or bullets are put into JFK's head in Dallas? Lyndon Johnson also fabricated a complete lie about Rufus Youngblood barreling over the back seat, pushing LBJ to the floorboard and covering LBJ's body with his. A complete and total and typical lie from Lyndon Johnson. Jim Marrs from his Crossfire book: In several interviews, Yarborough voiced suspicions of a JFK conspiracy. Yarborough's Suspicion of the Military-Industrial Complex "As we approached the city and then finally turned down Main Street toward the Trinity River, the crowd increased as we got to the heart of Dallas ... and one of the most enthusiastic crowds we saw in any city we ran into in Texas on that tour ... that's on the sidewalks. Now if you looked up, in the upper stories, I never saw a single smile in any window I looked at. Some looked down ... it looked like ... with dislike on their faces." --former Senator Ralph Yarborough, interviewed in the documentary, The Men Who Killed Kennedy: Part 1: The Coup D'etat "Had Kennedy lived, I think we would have had no Vietnam War, with all of its traumatic and divisive influences in America. I think we would have escaped that. I think the world would have escaped the 50,000 odd Americans dead and 300,000 more wounded and over half a million more hooked on dangerous drugs ... tropical diseases ... the divisiveness of that war that so many of the people thought unjustified and unnecessary ... and that we shouldn't have been there ... that split this country. Many of those things have lingered on since." --former senator Ralph Yarborough, interviewed in the documentary, The Men Who Killed Kennedy: Part 5: The Witnesses Yarborough's Suspicion of Lyndon Johnson "There is the well-publicized story of Agent Rufus Youngblood, who reportedly threw himself on top of Vice President Johnson after the shooting began in Dealey Plaza.... Johnson, in a statement to the Warren Commission, mentioned the incident: I was startled by a sharp report or explosion, but I had no time to speculate as to its origin because Agent Youngblood turned in a flash, immediately after the first explosion, hitting me on the shoulder, and shouted to all of us in the back seat to get down. I was pushed down by Agent Youngblood. Almost in the same moment in which he hit or pushed me, he vaulted over the back seat and sat on me. I was bent over under the weight of Agent Youngblood's body, toward Mrs. Johnson and Senator Yarborough.... However, former Texas senator Ralph Yarborough, who was sitting beside Johnson that day, told this author: 'It just didn't happen.... It was a small car, Johnson was a big man, tall. His knees were up against his chin as it was. There was no room for that to happen.' Yarborough recalled that both Johnson and Youngblood ducked down as the shooting began and that Youngblood never left the front seat. Yarborough said Youngblood held a small walkie-talkie over the back of the car's seat and that he and Johnson both put their ears to the device. He added: 'They had it turned down real low. I couldn't hear what they were listening to.'" --Jim Marrs, Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy Yarborough's Suspicion of the Warren Commission Investigators "A couple of fellows [from the Warren Commission] came to see me. They walked in like they were a couple of deputy sheriffs and I was a bank robber. I didn't like their attitude. As a senator I felt insulted. They went off and wrote up something and brought it back for me to sign. But I refused. I threw it in a drawer and let it lay there for weeks. And they had on there the last sentence which stated: 'This is all I know about the assassination.' They wanted me to sign this thing, then say this is all I know. Of course, I would never have signed it. Finally, after some weeks, they began to bug me. 'You're holding this up, you're holding this up' they said, demanding that I sign the report. So I typed one up myself and put basically what I told you about how the cars all stopped. I put in there, 'I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but for the protection of future presidents, they should be trained to take off when a shot is fired.' I sent that over. That's dated July 10, 1964, after the assassination. To my surprise, when the volumes were finally printed and came out, I was surprised at how many people down at the White House didn't file their affidavits until after the date, after mine the 10th of July, waiting to see what I was going to say before they filed theirs. I began to lose confidence then in their investigation and that's further eroded with time." --Jim Marrs, Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy Edited April 15 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Morrow Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said: RM-- This was a 24-year-old fellow with no college education, yet he was reading some serious stuff. LHO's manuscript on llfe in Russia also shows an active, insightful mind. LHO strikes me as a high-IQ fellow. Joined his high-school chess and astronomy clubs too. Now, who joins their high-school chess club. Yes sir! Lee Harvey Oswald was a reader. People who are readers often have active minds and are trying to improve themselves. The other thing to look for is diversity in reading habits. Teenage Oswald to William Wulff, the head of the New Orleans Astronomy Club: “I like to infiltrate.” http://www.joanmellen.com/oswald.html Joan Mellen QUOTE Among the most telling details about Oswald emerged in the testimony of William Wulff, who had been head of the Astronomy Club of New Orleans. One day Oswald showed up, wanting to be a member, although it was clear he had no interest in astronomy. Wulff asked him why he wanted to join the Astronomy Club. “I like to infiltrate,” Oswald the teenager said, even then a person who preferred the company of others to being alone. At the same time, he cultivated invisibility, as if he were transparent. Infiltrating, he could follow the path laid out by that favorite of his fictional characters, FBI informant Herbert Philbrick, hero of “I Led Three Lives.” A caveat: it was Oswald’s brother Robert alone who gave out that Lee watched obsessively “I Led Three Lives,” while, as John Armstrong points in his book, “Harvey & Lee,” Robert is less than credible. In his book “Lee,” Robert Oswald wrote that when he left home to join the Marines, Lee was still watching the reruns of “I Led Three Lives.” In fact, Robert joined the Marines on July 15, 1952, and the re-runs were not aired until after the series ended, in mid-1956. Oswald may have watched “I Led Three Lives,” but it wasn’t as his brother said. The program was first aired in September 1953. UNQUOTE Edited April 15 by Robert Morrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Cole Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, Robert Morrow said: Yes sir! Lee Harvey Oswald was a reader. People who are readers often have active minds and are trying to improve themselves. The other thing to look for is diversity in reading habits. Teenage Oswald to William Wulff, the head of the New Orleans Astronomy Club: “I like to infiltrate.” http://www.joanmellen.com/oswald.html Joan Mellen QUOTE Among the most telling details about Oswald emerged in the testimony of William Wulff, who had been head of the Astronomy Club of New Orleans. One day Oswald showed up, wanting to be a member, although it was clear he had no interest in astronomy. Wulff asked him why he wanted to join the Astronomy Club. “I like to infiltrate,” Oswald the teenager said, even then a person who preferred the company of others to being alone. At the same time, he cultivated invisibility, as if he were transparent. Infiltrating, he could follow the path laid out by that favorite of his fictional characters, FBI informant Herbert Philbrick, hero of “I Led Three Lives.” A caveat: it was Oswald’s brother Robert alone who gave out that Lee watched obsessively “I Led Three Lives,” while, as John Armstrong points in his book, “Harvey & Lee,” Robert is less than credible. In his book “Lee,” Robert Oswald wrote that when he left home to join the Marines, Lee was still watching the reruns of “I Led Three Lives.” In fact, Robert joined the Marines on July 15, 1952, and the re-runs were not aired until after the series ended, in mid-1956. Oswald may have watched “I Led Three Lives,” but it wasn’t as his brother said. The program was first aired in September 1953. UNQUOTE Evidently, LHO liked to play chess through his military career. No word on his skill at chess, that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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