Ron Paul on the day "there was a coup, and we lost our government."

[W. Niederhut]

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

The idea that somehow Trump was deposed by the Deep State, and that he has any significant comparisons to JFK is I think not just unfounded but kind of humorous.

I wrote a couple of article on the Insurrection for my substack site.

Someone tried to make that comparison. I replied hold it, it was Trump who approved that crazy fake electors plan, encouraged thousands to come to Washington on that day, and then fired them up to go to the Capitol. So who was trying to derail who?

 

 

 

 

[Benjamin Cole]

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

The idea that somehow Trump was deposed by the Deep State, and that he has any significant comparisons to JFK is I think not just unfounded but kind of humorous.

I wrote a couple of article on the Insurrection for my substack site.

Someone tried to make that comparison. I replied hold it, it was Trump who approved that crazy fake electors plan, encouraged thousands to come to Washington on that day, and then fired them up to go to the Capitol. So who was trying to derail who?

Jim D-

Well, let me ask this--

1. Suppose an old b/w film emerged, showing Dallas Police Department officers leading LHO to TSBD/6 shortly before the JFKA?

What would you conclude about at least some members of the DPD? I think at a minimum, you would conclude the DPD'ers had been made into unwitting participants in the JFKA, and possibly worse. 

2. Videos have emerged, that were suppressed by the Jan. 6 committee, of Jacob Chensley, aka Mr Buffalo Horns, QAnon Shaman, being led into the Senate chambers by Capitol Police officers, who even unlocked doors for him. Mr. Buffalo Horns is then copiously photographed in the Senate chamber, and he then somehow gets up to the Senate Gallery (viewing balcony for citizens and others) and is again copiously photographed screaming down upon the Senate Chambers. 

So Capital Police themselves aided an "insurrectionist" to gain entry to the Senate chambers, and possibly the gallery. This is on video, this is not debatable. 

Chensley, sadly enough, fits the profile of an easily manipulated mentally troubled individual---the Sirhan Sirhan, the Richard Case Nagell, the Chicogaon Thomas Vallee type--who was put into action. 

Why did the Jan. 6 committee, which included Deep State champion Liz Cheney, suppress the video of Chensley being led into the Capitol? 

I am keeping an open mind. 

Add on, here is the Columbia Journalism Review review of the media-Russiagate follies: 

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php

Like I say, I am keeping an open mind on how many times the Deep State has deposed a President in the postwar era. 

[Ron Bulman]

13 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

1. Suppose an old b/w film emerged, showing Dallas Police Department officers leading LHO to TSBD/6 shortly before the JFKA?

I want some of your medicine Ben.  

https://youtu.be/aU44W5W9lqg

[Benjamin Cole]

3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

I want some of your medicine Ben.  

https://youtu.be/aU44W5W9lqg

Thanks Ron. 

[Ron Ecker]

9 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Videos have emerged, that were suppressed by the Jan. 6 committee, of Jacob Chensley, aka Mr Buffalo Horns, QAnon Shaman, being led into the Senate chambers by Capitol Police officers, who even unlocked doors for him. Mr. Buffalo Horns is then copiously photographed in the Senate chamber, and he then somehow gets up to the Senate Gallery (viewing balcony for citizens and others) and is again copiously photographed screaming down upon the Senate Chambers. 

So Capital Police themselves aided an "insurrectionist" to gain entry to the Senate chambers, and possibly the gallery. This is on video, this is not debatable. 

I am keeping an open mind. 

 

I did a quick web search on Jacob Chansley. From Wikipedia:

"U.S. Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger... specifically took issue with (Tucker) Carlson's claim that Capitol Police officers acted as "tour guides" for Chansley. He maintained that Capitol Police officers were badly outnumbered and did their best to use de-escalation tactics to try to talk rioters into leaving the building."

Sounds like a much more plausible explanation than the notion that some Capitol Police officers were themselves insurrectionists. 

 

[W. Niederhut]

1 hour ago, Ron Ecker said:

I did a quick web search on Jacob Chansley. From Wikipedia:

"U.S. Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger... specifically took issue with (Tucker) Carlson's claim that Capitol Police officers acted as "tour guides" for Chansley. He maintained that Capitol Police officers were badly outnumbered and did their best to use de-escalation tactics to try to talk rioters into leaving the building."

Sounds like a much more plausible explanation than the notion that some Capitol Police officers were themselves insurrectionists. 

 

Ben is still pushing his same old MAGA propaganda tropes denying Trump's J6 insurrection, which he calls a "scrum."

We debunked Ben's false MAGA narratives, in detail, on the old 56 Years thread-- to no avail.  They're BAAACCCKKK!

And, as some of us will recall, (including James DiEugenio) Ben adamantly refused to watch the historic Congressional J6 hearings in 2022-- insisting, with the talking heads at Fox News, that the J6 hearings were a mere "circus."

I will also point out that, when confronted with unwelcome facts about Trump's sordid history, both Ben and Kevin Hofeling have a habit of immediately changing the subject-- by posting true facts that we all know about the JFK assassination and coverup.

[James DiEugenio]

Escorting out a rioter instead of arresting him?  That somehow qualifies as not making the riot a riot?  I mean, you did see the film of the cop having his head bashed into a doorway over and over?

In a mystery that today is still unsolved, the capitol police and local police could not get any military support and they badly needed it since they were so outnumbered.

So after the senate and congress were all chaperoned to tunnels into below ground secure rooms, and the ballots were sequestered, they tried to escort the suspects out since there was no one to take hostage and the ballots were locked up.  In other words, the danger of interfering with the election was passed.  But there was still no National Guard there. WIthout any military support there was no way they could arrest everyone since if they did arrest everyone, there would not be enough police to protect the building.  This is why so many of the rioters were arrested later.  

Although Tucker Carlson secretly hated Trump, he understood and understands his sway over the helpless GOP.  And one of Trump's phobias is the Jan 6th committee. Since they actually did a decent enough job in cracking the plot to subvert the election.  

Now that I am done with Casolaro, I will return to do parts 3 and 4 on the Insurrection.

Edited March 23 by James DiEugenio

[Sandy Larsen]

14 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

So Capital Police themselves aided an "insurrectionist" to gain entry to the Senate chambers, and possibly the gallery. This is on video, this is not debatable. 

 

I recall watching one person's video of a Capitol policeman backing away from the onslaught of rioters, inside the Capitol building. He would try to block one hallway and try to get the rioters to go down another.

A person watching the video was familiar with the Capitol, and noted that the policeman was using reverse psychology. The hallways he tried to get the rioters to take were actually the ones he DIDN'T want them to take, and vice versa. The rioters were fooled and went down the wrong hallways.

 

[James DiEugenio]

Sandy,

That was actually a smart thing to do and the cop was awarded for it later.

I think it was the same guy who warned Mitt Romney to go the other way while he diverted the rioters.

[Benjamin Cole]

6 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

I recall watching one person's video of a Capitol policeman backing away from the onslaught of rioters, inside the Capitol building. He would try to block one hallway and try to get the rioters to go down another.

A person watching the video was familiar with the Capitol, and noted that the policeman was using reverse psychology. The hallways he tried to get the rioters to take were actually the ones he DIDN'T want them to take, and vice versa. The rioters were fooled and went down the wrong hallways.

 

SL--

 

Thanks for your comment.

Yes, I am sure there were many diligent Capitol Police on duty Jan. 6., just as there were diligent Dallas police and sheriffs on duty on 11/22/63. 

But many here have accused some Dallas police of being complicit in the JFKA, based on certain actions on that day. 

https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/jan-6-footage-shows-cops-bringing-qanon-shaman-to-senate-floor/

The video above defies explanation---unless some Capitol Police officers were part of a plan to admit Mr Buffalo Horns to the Senate chambers. 

[Benjamin Cole]

12 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

I did a quick web search on Jacob Chansley. From Wikipedia:

"U.S. Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger... specifically took issue with (Tucker) Carlson's claim that Capitol Police officers acted as "tour guides" for Chansley. He maintained that Capitol Police officers were badly outnumbered and did their best to use de-escalation tactics to try to talk rioters into leaving the building."

Sounds like a much more plausible explanation than the notion that some Capitol Police officers were themselves insurrectionists. 

 

RE--

Thanks for your comment.

If you watch the video posted above, if does not fit the explanation of overwhelmed Capital Police officers surrendering some rooms to save others, etc. In fact, the Capitol Police officers easily outnumber Chensley, and do not even remove his flag pole from him, which is later described in court documents as a weapon. 

Just as with the JFKA, I advise anyone to look at the evidence (watch the video) for yourself, and eschew official explanations. 

This does not mean the entire Capitol Police force is complicit somehow in the insurrection.

But the action of the Capitol Police officers in the video defy explanation--unless they wanted Chensley to enter the Senate Chambers. 

I find the Jan 6 committee narrative of the Jan. 6 event unconvincing---and again, it is a narrative not formed in a courtroom in which there was a robust adversarial process. The committee narrative is indisputably a political narrative. 

None of this means I support one major political party or the other. In fact, I am independent.

 

[Denny Zartman]

32 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

None of this means I support one major political party or the other. In fact, I am independent.

 

Pull the other one, it has bells on it 

[Benjamin Cole]

2 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

Pull the other one, it has bells on it 

Thanks for your comment.

If authorities are putting "bells" on the "non-partisan" lever when I get into the voting booth, then I will pull bells. 

The only other lever or cord that has bells on it, that I know if, is the one I pull to summon my servants. 

 

 

Edited March 24 by Benjamin Cole

[Ron Ecker]

10 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

If you watch the video posted above, if does not fit the explanation of overwhelmed Capital Police officers surrendering some rooms to save others, etc. In fact, the Capitol Police officers easily outnumber Chensley, and do not even remove his flag pole from him, which is later described in court documents as a weapon. 

 

If the video shows what you see as open complicity on the part of the officers, why do you think it is openly done? I would think that police complicity would be conducted covertly, and not for all the world to see. 

Look at the police complicity in Dallas as an example. Let's say that that was policeman Roscoe White shooting from behind the picket fence. At least he was behind the fence and not shooting from in front of it.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 24 by Ron Ecker

[Benjamin Cole]

1 minute ago, Ron Ecker said:

If the video shows what you see as open complicity on the part of the officers, why do you think it is openly done? I would think that police complicity would be conducted covertly, and not for all the world to see. 

Look at the police complicity in Dallas as an example. Let's say that that was policeman Roscoe White shooting from behind the picket fence. At least he was behind the fence and not shooting from in front of it.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your comment.

I cannot explain the actions of the Capitol Hill officers, who certainly appear to easily outnumber Chansley (Mr Buffalo Horns), and do not take the flag pole from him (Chansley was convicted in court of bringing his flag pole, a weapon, into the Capitol), but instead usher him into the Senate chambers.  There appear to be few other protestors around in that particular hallway.

So on Jan. 6, Capitol Police ushered a very strange-looking man with a weapon into the Senate chambers, when no civilian was even supposed to be inside the Capitol at all. The group of Capitol Police officers do not react much when Chansley approaches them. They do not appear to regard him as a threat, despite his appearance. And then they guide him in. One might say it looks as if they were expecting him. 

My only guess---and all of us today must guess---is Capitol Police officers were assured that Capitol security-camera footage would not  become public. And indeed, the government successfully argued it would not release Capitol security camera footage due to national security concerns. The House Select Jan. 6 committee was indeed select in footage it deemed safe for the public to see. 

This previously censored Capitol security-camera footage of Chansely being ushered around the Capitol came out later when the other major party got control of the House. 

Certainly, DPD officers (if they were involved in the JFKA) were secretive in their actions back in 1963. 

Of course, unknown to us, many Capitol Police officers on Jan. 6 could have also been secretive in their actions. So we know not. It is early in the game to conclude much about Jan. 6.