The JFK Assassination Records Act Discussion

[Kirk Gallaway]

I assumed Sandy wasn't railing against Socialism per se as the public perception of Socialism, which we have been conditioned from Corporate America since the 50's, is a terrible no no. But I've heard that young people are embracing the concepts of Socialism much more than previous generations.

I do lament that Bernie has called himself a Socialist and to a lesser extent, has run as in independent. I assume that started long ago when he probably thought he wouldn't have had a ghost of a prayer of ever being President.

Despite what I earlier said. I don't think it's impossible for someone of Bernie's beliefs to become President. His message was simple Medicare and free education for all. Which is really just New Deal Democrat extension stuff. You don't have to call it Socialism.

I think his time has passed. But I think the time when that message could easily get through would be during another financial crisis like 2008.

The first resident to call for Universal Health Care was not JFK. It was Harry Truman.

[Joe Bauer]

A free hand sketch I did of Jerry Garcia in 1997 from a book photo. 

 

Edited July 5 by Joe Bauer

[Kirk Gallaway]

3 hours ago, Bill Fite said:

I had the pleasure of seeing An Evening w the Grateful Dead in the spring of 1971 in a theatre w  fabulous acoustics.

Jerry played a 90 minute set on pedal steel with New Riders of the Purple Sage to open.   It was all killer pedal steel on some great tunes that nobody had heard from their first album that hadn't been released that it still one of my favorites.

Then the Dead (w Pigpen - Hart - other keyboards) played an incredible 2 hour or so set w another lot of songs & covers that hadn't been released after which Garcia strode up to the mic and said - 'We're gonna take a 20 minute break and then come back for the second set'.

 

Interesting Bill, my exposure to the Grateful Dead started in Speedway Meadows in Golden Gate Park in 1967.  I was just born in the right area of the country. I have a number of sort of connections because Garcia, Weir and Lesh  were in the area I was brought up and Jerry taught guitar in the store 2 towns down from me, where I bought my first Martin 12 string.

I personally loved the Pigpen phase much more than Keith Godchieux (sp?) I just thought he filled up too much space and I was happy when they got rid of them. I think I missed the Hart sit in where he was later moved into the band, by maybe one night's performance? Hart's Father owned a music store in San Carlos , where I grew up, named Hart Music when I was a teenager.

I've seen the Dead many times particularly in the 60's and 70's. And was so typically medicated in a number of them that i think I can least pinpoint the number of times I saw them of any band. I saw them in Jamaica in 1983, where they had a big problem getting their sound to work. I was satellite member to a dedicated group of Deadheads and would go up to the Fillmore and Winterland  several times a year. 

That's interesting Tom, I know there are many quintessential Dead jams on recordings that I've yet to hear. I appreciate the links!

[Sandy Larsen]

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

How could any decently educated and informed American who benefits from ... public services NOT know these are pure socialistic programs?

 

Apparently they aren't as smart as one would think they should be.

 

[Sandy Larsen]

49 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

A free hand sketch I did of Jerry Garcia in 1997 from a book photo.

 

I've become a big fan of sketching since my 14 year old daughter began showing her great talent in doing that. And I must say that that is a very nice drawing of Garcia. I hope I remember to show Kimmi this drawing when she gets home.

 

[W. Niederhut]

1 hour ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

 

The first resident to call for Universal Health Care was not JFK. It was Harry Truman.

Actually, Kirk, it was Teddy Roosevelt-- a century before Obama and the Democrats finally passed the Affordable Care Act in 2009.

Since then, Republicans, repeatedly, tried to sabotage it.

Edited July 5 by W. Niederhut

[W. Niederhut]

 

 

Edited July 5 by W. Niederhut

[Kirk Gallaway]

Just for fun!

Space fugitives saying one last good bye to  Earth!

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Bauer]

On 7/5/2024 at 10:09 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

 

 

 

Edited July 8 by Joe Bauer

[Sandy Larsen]

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

Thank you Sandy. It's a poor picture. The drawing is better.

Get in touch with me outside the forum and I'll share with you another half dozen or so. I did this on a whim 27 years ago one evening to entertain my two young children. Haven't done any more drawing since then.

 

That wasn't your first drawing was it??

 

[Matt Allison]

6 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

A free hand sketch I did of Jerry Garcia in 1997 from a book photo. 

This is great work, Joe! You have true talent.

And Jerry Garcia was an exceptional human.

[Bill Fite]

16 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Interesting Bill, my exposure to the Grateful Dead started in Speedway Meadows in Golden Gate Park in 1967.  I was just born in the right area of the country.

Wow -- right place, right time for the SF music scene.

 

[Joe Bauer]

On 7/6/2024 at 2:26 AM, Bill Fite said:

Wow -- right place, right time for the SF music scene.

I was raised here in Monterey, Calif. 120 miles South of San Francisco.

I cruised the streets outside of the Monterey Pop Festival ( June of 1967 ) located in the Monterey Fairgrounds complex with friends at the age of 15.

It was a true "happening."

Thousands of young people converged here. Hundreds sleeping on the ground during the entire run in open fields not far from the fairgrounds. This was no rough edged crowd though. Beautiful young people, many dressed in chic hippie outfits. Tasseled leather and beaded jackets. Colorful ostentatious hats and scarfs. These kids weren't from poor backgrounds. There were so many pretty girls...it was amazing. The smell of marijuana and patchouli oil filled the air for blocks around the fairgrounds night and day. It was a heady, seductive atmosphere.

Incredibly good ,calm and upbeat vibes. No violence or craziness at all. There were Monterey cops everywhere and yet, just as Eric Burden described in his song "Monterey" they were incredibly laid back. "Even the cops grooved with us", "Do you believe me yeah?"  was the true-life scene at the POP exactly as Burden described.

>>> Although it was true Charles Manson's family was there as well. Traveling in an old converted school bus.  Manson must have been in a good mood. The scene was just too cool, friendly and pot sharing smell laid back.<<<

Jimmy Hendricks sauntered up and down the outside streets during the festival. No one rushed him at all. He wasn't that well known yet. One famous picture showed him and a couple of companions buying some flowers from a small vendor shop on Fremont Street just two blocks from the fairgrounds one day. Again, no one ran up to him and his friends.

Being so close to San Francisco at that time, Monterey was a hub of hippie traffic. Coming and going to the city. Dozens of hitchhikers on the streets.

Big Sur was a super popular place of hippie congregation at that time as well.

I didn't buy tickets and attend the POP. Didn't think of taking pictures. I was just a naively dumb and unworldly teenager. I didn't appreciate the event for what it was.

Thousands of beautiful young people, the constant late August warm day and night heady smell of pot and patchouli oil, energizing creative freedom and soulful "peace, love and fun" music put almost everyone into a mellow place. It was all just a very exciting and freeing experience from past musical norms.

Weirdly, the city of Monterey seemed to make an effort to not make this iconic event a regular part of their advertised historical image. Like they wanted to distance themselves from it and even forget it happened! No celebratory events until decades later.

I always felt a hip, downtown Monterey cafe type establishment celebrating the event would have been a good business and exciting nostalgia idea.

I even had a name for such. Simply..."The POP!"

Walls covered in Pop Festival mementos  ( tickets? ) posters and photos. Glass covered tables with Pop pictures underneath.  Playing songs from the festival occasionally such as Burden's "Monterey", Janis Joplin, Hendrix, Otis Redding, The Who, Hugh Masekela's " dark as night" music. Servers dressed in hippie garb.

Dishes with Pop related names such as "The 'Burden' Burger" ? Joplin apple pie? The "Who Omelete?"

Never made it to the City ( San Francisco ) during that time though. I knew many, many fellow kids from Monterey/Pacific Grove who did however. Their lives changed from the experience. Some got too far into the acid scene and were damaged by this.

San Francisco was truly a weird mix back then. New "Free Love/ Flower Child, be sure to wear a flower in your hair" vibes and energy. So different than the old Herb Cain, Tony Bennett, Carol Doda and Mitchell brothers times. Lots of vice yet also lots of upper-class Nob Hill wealth in San Francsico. No homeless problems anything like today. Harvey Milk/Castro district movement really growing though.

 

 

 

 

 

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MONTEREY - Eric Burdon & The Animals (With Lyrics)

 

 

Edited July 8 by Joe Bauer

[Kirk Gallaway]

Tulsi Gabbard who recently predicted that RFK JR. will drop out of the Presidential race to help Trump win over Biden was a guest on Bill Maher Real Time the other night.

 

Years ago when i joined this forum, I  got a lot of hints by innuendo that anyone that had not taken the time to study the JFKA was the enemy! Which pretty much eliminates 90% of the population despite people here  continually propping up polls that show 65%  of the population think there was a conspiracy, when 95% of them have no idea who Ruth Paine is for example, and over half the current population was not even living!

 

This misguided sense of groundswell of popular support lead many to think they should back a candidate solely on the idea that they were pro JFKA conspiracy, much like is being propagated now here that we should vote for a candidate solely based on whether they want to open the JFKA files!

 

Except there weren't any, so there became a search for such a candidate. the first such candidate was Tulsi Gabbard. who was seen only holding a copy  of Douglas's "JFK and the unspeakable." But when asked she only said she planned to read it. But boy, that was enough for us! Though she was really just stringing us along at the time. Since then we see a homophobe past and an apparently fascist future.

 

At first Gabbard sort of snivels around  Maher and Chris Matthews depictions of Trump as if she 's above the boys banter,  flashing her teeth rather than answering s direct questions. Then making weak little all inclusive comments implying that evil Biden has taken away our free speech rights and America is a horrible downturn without citing any specifics until  finally Maher gets exasperated and starts calling her on it, what did she think was going to happen? Still no real response. .  

 

To prove I'm not sexist I call her a P.O.S.! So it's no surprise she still is kinda hot!*

heh heh

 

It's starts a little earlier, with Maher actually expressing my total disgust with Biden in the debates, but specifically with confronting Gabbard, it starts with Matthews at 22:43.

 

P.S. There's a great interview with Ray Kursweil earlier!

 

 

* P.O.S. is a epithet men specifically use to characterize other men as a loathed foe, so in this case using it against a woman is a sign of gender neutral acceptance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 6 by Kirk Gallaway

[Joe Bauer]

51 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Tulsi Gabbard who recently predicted that RFK JR. will drop out of the Presidential race to help Trump win over Biden was a guest on Bill Maher Real Time the other night.

 

Years ago when i joined this forum, I  got a lot of hints by innuendo that anyone that had not taken the time to study the JFKA was the enemy! Which pretty much eliminates 90% of the population despite people here  continually propping up polls that show 65%  of the population think there was a conspiracy, when 95% of them have no idea who Ruth Paine is for example, and over half the current population was not even living!

 

This misguided sense of groundswell of popular support lead many to think they should back a candidate solely on the idea that they were pro JFKA conspiracy, much like is being propagated now here that we should vote for a candidate solely based on whether they want to open the JFKA files!

 

Except there weren't any, so there became a search for such a candidate. the first such candidate was Tulsi Gabbard. who was seen only holding a copy  of Douglas's "JFK and the unspeakable." But when asked she only said she planned to read it. But boy, that was enough for us! Though she was really just stringing us along at the time. Since then we see a homophobe past and an apparently fascist future.

 

At first Gabbard sort of snivels around  Maher and Chris Matthews depictions of Trump as if she 's above the boys banter,  flashing her teeth rather than answering s direct questions. Then making weak little all inclusive comments implying that evil Biden has taken away our free speech rights and America is a horrible downturn without citing any specifics until  finally Maher gets exasperated and starts calling her on it, what did she think was going to happen? Still no real response. .  

 

To prove I'm not sexist I call her a P.O.S.! So it's no surprise she still is kinda hot!*

heh heh

 

It's starts a little earlier, with Maher actually expressing my total disgust with Biden in the debates, but specifically with confronting Gabbard, it starts with Matthews at 22:43.

 

P.S. There's a great interview with Ray Kursweil earlier!

 

 

* P.O.S. is a epithet men specifically use to characterize other men as a loathed foe, so in this case using it against a woman is a sign of gender neutral acceptance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I watched the show Kirk.

Agree with everything you say.

Never followed Gabbard in the news so seeing her up close and listening to her speak really spooked me.

This woman was a Democrat? Ha!

Totally Trump centric.

She has the bearing and countenance of a hard-nosed female military boot camp drill instructor. She IS a Lt. Colonel in the National Guard? Figures.

Nice looking in a cold hard way. Not any softer feminine mannerisms and speaking tone.

Very arrogant and condescending acting.

Reminds me of other Republican women of the same tough talking dominatrix type make up.

Kelly Ann Conway, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Kristi Noem, Kerri Lake, and on and on.

Trump women all look, sound and act as if they could be tough prison guard matrons.  

 

Edited July 6 by Joe Bauer