W. Niederhut Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Cotter said: All these red herrings by you are (by definition) irrelevant to what I said about the grievous dereliction of duty by the Secret Service in facilitating the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. You have thus admitted your inability to rebut what I said. Sadly, as is your wont, you will probably respond to this post with further irrelevant nonsense. John, Regarding dereliction of duty, were you troubled by the fact that Tony Ornato and Trump's Secret Service goons illegally deleted their January 6th texts and Emails, after colluding in Trump's J6 insurrection? Recall that Ornato advised Trump on the morning of January 6th that his MAGA mob was armed with guns. Trump's response was, "Take down the magnetometers. They aren't here to harm me!" Then, despite knowing that Trump's mob was marching on the Capitol with guns, Ornato & Co. did NOTHING to protect the U.S. Congress, or the Vice President, other than trying to coax Pence into a limo so that he couldn't certify Biden's election. As for the snafu in Butler, Pennsylvania, it needs to be understood in the broader context of a society where mass shootings are commonplace and thousands of angry, unstable young men, like Crooks, have relatively unrestricted access to lethal assault weapons. Pennsylvania even allows for open carry. The U.S. is awash in guns, and Trump and the GOP have aggressively blocked any legislative efforts to establish gun control in the U.S., for years. Trump has also directly incited hate crimes and domestic violence in the U.S. for the past eight years. Edited July 19 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Allison Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 5 hours ago, John Cotter said: have hell to pay if Trump becomes POTUS again. Edited 4 hours ago by John Cotter Trump will never be elected President again. I am grateful the shooter missed Trump because no one deserves to die like that. I also want to watch him lose a free and fair election again. The incompetence of the Secret Service is legion. No conspiracy is necessary for them to demonstrate how bad they are at their job. The kid fits the bullied mass shooter profile down to a tee because that’s exactly what he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Bartetzko Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: John, Regarding dereliction of duty, were you troubled by the fact that Tony Ornato and Trump's Secret Service goons illegally deleted their January 6th texts and Emails, after colluding in Trump's J6 insurrection? Recall that Ornato advised Trump on the morning of January 6th that his MAGA mob was armed with guns. Trump's response was, "Take down the magnetometers. They aren't here to harm me!" Then, despite knowing that Trump's mob was marching on the Capitol with guns, Ornato & Co. did NOTHING to protect the U.S. Congress, or the Vice President, other than trying to coax Pence into a limo so that he couldn't certify Biden's election. As for the snafu in Butler, Pennsylvania, it needs to be understood in the broader context of a society where mass shootings are commonplace and thousands of angry, unstable young men, like Crooks, have relatively unrestricted access to lethal assault weapons. Pennsylvania even allows for open carry. The U.S. is awash in guns, and Trump and the GOP have aggressively blocked any legislative efforts to establish gun control in the U.S., for years. Trump has also directly incited hate crimes and domestic violence in the U.S. for the past eight years. The snafu in Butler?? You describe it as a snafu?? Was Dallas a "snafu" as well?? Regardless of how much one dislikes/hates Trump, Biden or RFK Jr., it is so very inappropriate to describe an assassination attempt on a presidential candidate as a "snafu". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) Just see the obvious: Why those two government snipers on the roof behind Trump were looking and aiming at the exact spot where Crooks would show up 20 minutes later? They were not interested in any other spot or roof, despite there are plenty of roofs around? Were they clairvoyants. If so, then they were sleepy clairvoyants, because when this two snipers SAW Crooks with his rifle aiming at Trump, they waited until Crooks pulled the trigger and then killed him. Ask not Kimberly Cheatle: Ask those two snipers. Ask them who told them to watch the exact spot where Crooks would show up 20 minutes later, that spot on the roof of building Nr. 9 of ARG International Inc. You know that spot: (32million views) He and others told police several times: Guy on roof with a rifle ... he is crawling ... police: Hu? Police were running around, playing the fool. This soap went on for 5 to 7 minutes ... Butler is a can of worms that is being opened up slowly by citizen journalism ... Edited July 19 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 8 hours ago, John Cotter said: So, in spite of the assassination attempt, you’re still indulging in the kind of vitriolic (or “stochastic” as you put it) rhetoric, which was undoubtedly a major factor in Trump being targeted for assassination. You're parroting a MAGA talking point with no knowledge whatsoever of Crooks' motivation. 8 hours ago, John Cotter said: Do you ever learn? I see where the Director of the Secret Service says that the buck stops with her and that she takes responsibility for the near assassination of Trump and the related fatality and injuries, but that she wouldn’t be resigning. Is the message here that the Secret Service will do a better job next time and there will be a “bullseye” (as Biden put it)? Bullseye is a common metaphor relating to contests of all kinds. "Cross hairs" is more violent. 8 hours ago, John Cotter said: They have to get it right next time, because they'll have hell to pay if Trump becomes POTUS again. Ever heard of Project 2025? 10s of millions will be in the cross hairs of the MAGA mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) Quote from Fletcher Prouty, THE SECRET TEAM: Quote During the Senate Hearings of 1975 on "Alleged Assassination Ploys Involving Foreign Leaders," Senator Charles C. Mathias' thoughts went back to November 22, 1963 and to the coup d'etat brought about by the surgical precision of the death of President John F. Kennedy, when he said: Let me draw an example from history. When Thomas Becket (Saint Thomas Becket, 1118-1170) was proving to be an annoyance, as Castro; the King said "Who will rid me of this man?" He didn't say to somebody, go out and murder him. He said who will rid me of this man, and let it go at that. (As you will recall, Thomas Becket's threat was not against the King, it was against the way the King wanted to run the government.) With no explicit orders, and with no more authority than that, four of King Henry's knights, found and killed "this man", Saint Thomas Becket inside of his church. That simple statement ... no more than a wish floating in air ... proved to be all the orders needed. Then, with that great historical event in mind, Senator Mathias went on to say: ... that is typical of the kind of thing which might be said, which might be taken by the Director of Central Intelligence or by anybody else, as Presidential authorization to go forward ... you felt that some spark had been transmitted ... To this Senator Jesse Helms added: Yes, and if he had disappeared from the scene they would not have been unhappy. There's the point! Because the structure, a "Power Elite", "High Cabal" or similar ultimate ruling organization, exists and the psychological atmosphere has been prepared, nothing more has to be said than that which ignites that "spark" of an assumed "authorization to go forward." Very often, this is the way in which the Secret Team gets its orders ... they are no more than "a wish floating in air." The same is true for american leaders when they became an annoyance to the Power elite ... there were floating wishes in the air and strange promises ... Nuland's "Putin's hope is Trump. ()But Putin should be in for a surprise" and Bidens "Bullseye" remark come to my mind ... Edited July 19 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) The more they "explain" the mor questions arise. Quote McCullough Foundation @McCulloughFund FBI Releases Questionable Timeline of Trump Shooting The counter-sniper who ultimately shot Crooks HAD to have seen the shooter when he took aim from the roof's ridge. The kill shot hit Crooks when his head was positioned 3-5 feet downslope of ridge. The FBI just released the following timeline of the Trump and Crooks shooting. 5:10 p.m. Crooks first identified as a person of interest. 5:30 p.m. Crooks spotted with a rangefinder. 5:52 p.m. Crooks spotted on the roof by USSS. 6:02 p.m. Trump takes the stage. 6:12 p.m. Crooks fires first shots. Crooks shot 26 seconds later. Read our analysis on Courageous Discourse. https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/fbi-releases-questionable-timeline Edited July 19 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 9 hours ago, Nick Bartetzko said: The snafu in Butler?? You describe it as a snafu?? Was Dallas a "snafu" as well?? Regardless of how much one dislikes/hates Trump, Biden or RFK Jr., it is so very inappropriate to describe an assassination attempt on a presidential candidate as a "snafu". Nick, The "snafu" was that the kid was clever enough to hide his ladder behind some trees by the building, and he was able to conceal himself from the counter-snipers long enough to take AR-15 shots at Trump. As for comparisons with the professional Deep State hit on JFK, it's time to put that MAGA nonsense to rest. This was not a Deep State plot, and Crooks fits the common profile of angry white loners who commit mass shootings. Trump shooter Thomas Crooks threatened to 'shoot up' his high school and 'put bombs in the bathrooms' years before his failed assassination attempt on the former president | Daily Mail Online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) NOTHING ADDS UP IN BUTLER ... Edited July 19 by Karl Kinaski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kinaski Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Here we go; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cotter Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 21 hours ago, W. Niederhut said: John, Regarding dereliction of duty, were you troubled by the fact that Tony Ornato and Trump's Secret Service goons illegally deleted their January 6th texts and Emails, after colluding in Trump's J6 insurrection? Recall that Ornato advised Trump on the morning of January 6th that his MAGA mob was armed with guns. Trump's response was, "Take down the magnetometers. They aren't here to harm me!" Then, despite knowing that Trump's mob was marching on the Capitol with guns, Ornato & Co. did NOTHING to protect the U.S. Congress, or the Vice President, other than trying to coax Pence into a limo so that he couldn't certify Biden's election. As for the snafu in Butler, Pennsylvania, it needs to be understood in the broader context of a society where mass shootings are commonplace and thousands of angry, unstable young men, like Crooks, have relatively unrestricted access to lethal assault weapons. Pennsylvania even allows for open carry. The U.S. is awash in guns, and Trump and the GOP have aggressively blocked any legislative efforts to establish gun control in the U.S., for years. Trump has also directly incited hate crimes and domestic violence in the U.S. for the past eight years. As I predicted, this is all totally irrelevant to what I said about the gross dereliction of duty by the Secret Service in facilitating the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Thanks for further validating what I said by again failing to rebut it. Here’s what a former marine intelligence officer has to say about the complicity of the Secret Service in the attempted assassination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYrwhCSzV60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) Trump shooter may have scoped out rally site SIX days before attack as search history for Ethan Crumbley revealed Trump shooter may have scoped out rally site SIX days before attack as search history for Ethan Crumbley revealed (msn.com) July 19, 2024 Donald Trump’s would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks appears to have scoped out the site of the former president’s campaign rally six days before he went to the Butler, Pennsylania, event and opened fire, according to a report. The FBI provided an update on the shooting investigation to Senate and House lawmakers on Wednesday, revealing new details about the 20-year-old gunman’s actions prior to the shooting. Sources told CNN that Crooks’ online search history revealed he had looked up information on Ethan Crumbley, the school shooter who killed four students at Oxford High School in Michigan in 2021. A screenshot of Crumbley’s arrest photo was also found on Crooks’ personal cellphone, the outlet reported. The gunman had also looked up instructions for making simple bombs and for information about the Democratic National Convention. In April, three months before the assassination attempt, Crooks also looked up information about major depressive disorders and depressive crisis treatment. Geolocation data taken from Crooks' cellphone also indicated placed him near the scene of the rally site nearly a week before the event, the New York Times reported – indicating he may have staked out the site in preparation. One day before the shooting, Crooks is believed to have visited a gun range. He also bought a ladder from a Home Depot that day, though officials do not believe he used it to climb to the location where he opened fire. He also purchased rounds at a nearby gun story, Allegheny Arms and Gun Works. Crooks told his boss at the nursing home where he worked that he needed the day off on July 13 to do something important, officials familiar with the investigation told the New York Times. Trump was speaking at the Butler Farm Show on July 13 when Crooks, prone on top of the roof of a nearby warehouse, fired several shots at the former president. Two rallygoers were injured, one was killed, and Trump was struck in the ear. Crooks was shot dead by Secret Service snipers. Following his death, investigators searched Crooks and his car. Inside the vehicle, they reportedly found a bulletproof vest, several magazines for his rifle, and a makeshift explosive device. The FBI also reportedly told lawmakers that the Secret Service had omitted the warehouses north of Trump’s stage – including the one used by Crooks – from its security zone. Investigators are still searching for a clear motive for the shooting. Voter records show Crooks was a registered Republican, but there is said to be no evidence to indicate his political beliefs motivated his attack. Edited July 19 by W. Niederhut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamey Flanagan Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Jamey Flanagan said: Some interesting tidbits in this video include the statement that the shooter Crooks had 3 encrypted bank accounts overseas. The woman who was sitting behind Trump who seems to react early, just before shots are fired, has reportedly been identified as a leader in the ranks of the FBI. She looks up in the direction of the shooter, then puts her poster up in front of her face covering her lips and once the shooting starts she stays calm as a cucumber, slinks down in her seat a little and starts filming the event on her phone. This woman could very well end up as the Babushka lady of the Trump shooting if she isn't identified or her footage seen, lol! Oh yeah, and a ton of put options on DJT related stock that would have made the stockholders a bunch of money if Trump had been killed. Edited July 19 by Jamey Flanagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamey Flanagan Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Another good video! https://youtu.be/D5MDzmxJquQ?si=lb7E17bHtXR3aUAz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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