While I don't rule out Baker and Truly encountering someone else on the fourth floor - a man in a brown sports coat - for instance, the idea that Baker could mistake the second floor lunchroom encounter with another floor is impossible - unless he was totally lying, in which case we can't believe anything he says.
But Baker and Truly's WC testimony rules out their encountering someone else on the fourth floor.
If Baker and Truly are trustworthy witnesses, as you keep insisting, why don't you rule out a fourth floor encounter?
Are you saying they might have lied to the WC?
Did Truly lie?
I don't know, but don't think so. He didn't have to, as if he did lie he would have seen Oswald go through the lunchroom door and would have kept Lumpkin's key role out of it.
If Truly had lied and said he'd seen Oswald go through what you call "the lunchroom door," how would that have kept Lumpkin "out of it?"
BK: TOMMY, THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY RELATED, JUST TWO ITEMS THAT IF TRULY'S BEHAVIOR WAS SCRIPTED, HE SHOULD HAVE SEEN OSWALD GO THROUGH THE DOOR, AND LUMPKIN'S ROLE WOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED - AND I BELIEVE SUPPRESSED.
As I understand it, Truly claimed that he witnessed Baker talking to Oswald (and vouched for Oswald) in the second floor lunchroom and then, about ten minutes later, noticed that Oswald was missing. Then Truly called the warehouse and got Oswald's address, phone number, and physical description. Then he told Lumpkin that Oswald was missing, and Lumpkin suggested that he tell Fritz, which Truly did.
So how does Truly's telling the truth (not seeing) or lying (seeing) Oswald walk through "the lunchroom door" have anything to do with the chain of events I've just outlined, given the fact that Truly claimed that he not only witnessed Oswald in the lunchroom but vouched for him there, as well?
What do you think Lumpkin would have done regarding Oswald if Truly hadn't mentioned to him that Oswald was missing? Do you think Lumpkin would have said to Truly, "Say, Roy, is your temporary employee who used to live in Russia, that Lee Harvey Oswald guy, missing by any chance?"
PS Every time I click on your two links, I get the error message "Server Not Found -- Firefox can't find the server at www.jfkcountercoup.blogspot.
I don't know what Truly would have done if Lumpkin didn't get him to go see Fritz, and I don't know what Lumpkin would have done if Truly didn't tell him about the suddenly and mysteriously missing employee who he had seen on the second floor ten minutes earlier. I don't think that Oswald was the only employee missing, as some of them, if you read their statements - reported they were not permitted back in the building after going out to see the motorcade. So Oswald couldn't have been the only missing employee.
I don't know the answers, I'm just asking questions myself.
And I don't know how to fix the link problem, but blogspot is run by Google and if you go through Google first you should be able to get there.
But I will be leaving this subject soon, and devoting my time to the Air Force One tapes, though I hope you all keep trying to figure it out.
And isn't my blog link posted by Ed Forum just below my biography?
[emphasis added by T. Graves]
When, during his WC testimony, Truly was asked if Oswald was the only person missing, Truly said that Oswald was the only one that he knew of at the time.
Do you think that Truly, 11 to 13 minutes after the assassination, was aware of other TSBD employees who were also missing?
It does, however, cast Truly in a bad light when he says that no complete roll call was taken that afternoon.
Mr. TRULY. When I noticed this boy was missing, I told Chief Lumpkin that "We have a man here that's missing." I said, "It my not mean anything, but he isn't here." I first called down to the other warehouse and had Mr. Akin pull the application of the boy so I could get--quickly get his address in Irving and his general description, so I could be more accurate than I would be.
Mr. BALL. Was he the only man missing?
Mr. TRULY. The only one I noticed at that time. Now, I think there was one or two more, possibly Charles Givens, but I had seen him out in front walking up the street just before the firing of the gun.
Mr. BALL. But walking which way?
Mr. TRULY. The last time I saw him, he was walking across Houston Street, east on Elm.
Mr. BALL. Did you make a check of your employees afterwards?
Mr. TRULY. No, no; not complete. No, I just saw the group of the employees over there on the floor and I noticed this boy wasn't with them. With no thought in my mind except that I had seen him a short time before in the building, I noticed he wasn't there.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean "a short time before"?
Mr. TRULY. I would say 10 or 12 minutes.
Mr. BALL. You mean that's when you saw him in the lunchroom?
Mr. TRULY. In the lunchroom.
Mr. BALL. And you noticed he wasn't over there?
Mr. TRULY. Well, I asked Bill Shelley if he had seen him around and he said "No."
PS Hmmmm. Come to think of it, It is interesting that Truly didn't claim to have noticed by himself that Oswald was missing, but that he asked the mysterious Bill Shelly about Oswald's whereabouts. So, why did he ask Shelly if he'd recently seen Oswald? Because Oswald was kinda on his mind after having (allegedly) seen him a few minutes earlier in the second floor lunchroom?
Edited by Thomas Graves, 15 October 2013 - 02:36 AM.