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#1 Jim Root

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Posted 11 December 2004 - 09:31 PM

It disappoints me that so many people are unwilling to deal with the Walker incident. It is as if researchers have closed the door on this topic in a misguided belief that if they accept the incident as real they will be embracing a part of the Warren Report.

Needless to say I have embraced it as true but feel that Walker, himself, is a window into a world of mirrors.

In most debates that I involve myself in on the subject of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, I find they are usually ended when the person accross from me gets to the point of saying that the atempted assassination of Walker by Oswald cannot be proved or there is no evidence. If anything in this case had been "proved" we would not be here attempting to prove or disprove something!

I have reproduced Epstein's collection of the known information about the supporting evidence surrounding the Walker incident. Add to the list that George De Mohrenschildt "commited suicide" after an interview with Epstein that was to be followed by an additional interview the next day. There topic was the Walker assassination attempt.


"On 29th March, 1977, Epstein and De Mohrenschildt, broke for lunch and decided to meet again at 3 p.m. George De Mohrenschildt returned to his room where he found a card from Gaeton Fonzi, an investigator working for the Select House Committee on Assassinations. George De Mohrenschildt's body was found later that day. He had apparently committed suicide by shooting himself in the mouth."
From, Education on the Internet & Teaching History Online

From Epstein: The "Neutron Activation Analysis done in 1977 (by the HSCA) exactly matched the metallic elements found in the bullet that was recovered in Walker's home to the batch of Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition used in Oswald's rifle in the assassination of Kennedy.... the House Select Committee employed a very advanced form of neutron activation analysis to match the recovered bullet and fragments to the ammunition used in the Mannlicher Carcano. In this technique, traces from the ballistic evidence are bombarded by neutrons in a nuclear reactor so that the precise composition of elements-- antimony, silver, and copper-- can be measured by their emissions on a gamma-ray spectrometer to an accuracy of one-billionth of a gram. The composition of traces from the bullet and fragments were thus compared to that of the unfired bullet found in the chamber of the Mannlicher-Carcano and found to exactly match."

"On April 10, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to assassinate General Edwin Walker, a right- wing leader in Dallas with a high-powered rifle, after aborting a previous attempt on April 5th. The evidence of this assassination attempt includes the testimony of his wife, Marina Oswald, a note in his handwriting Russian describing what Marina should do, after the Walker shooting, if he were arrested, killed or had to go into hiding, photographs of Walker's house from the sniper's position taken by Oswald's camera and pasted into Oswald's scrapbook, and a Neutron Activation test that showed that the metallic elements found in the bullet that was recovered in Walker's home matched the ammunition used in Oswald's rifle in the assassination of Kennedy (This technology for this test, done in 1977, did not exist in 1963). Oswald had told a number of people he knew that someone should shoot Walker a month prior to the shooting, and, on April 5th, when he made his first attempt, he had Marina take a photograph of him dressed in black, armed to kill with a rifle and telescopic sight, and holding in his hand the radical newspaper, The Militant. Those who reportedly knew that he was a self-styled assassin include:

1) Marina Oswald. She testified to the Warren Commission that when Oswald returned on the evening of April 10th, he explained to her that he had just attempted to kill General Edwin Walker with his rifle.

2) George De Mohrenschildt. He had seen Oswald's sniper's rifle. He had heard Oswald make rabid threats against Walker the prior month. He had received the photograph which was signed "For George, Lee Harvey Oswald" and dated April 5th, 1963 (Oswald's first attempt on Walker). If he had any doubts why Oswald was holding the rifle in the photo, Marina had scribbled on back in Russian "Hunter of Fascists. Ha. Ha" After he heard on the radio that a sniper had fired a shot at General Walker and, next day, he went over to Oswald's house to find out what had happened to the rifle. According to Marina's testimony, he had rushed up the stairs, and said "Lee, how did you miss General Walker?"

3) Jean De Mohrenschildt. According to Mohrenschildt, he had told his wife in April 1963, when he left Dallas to go to Washington DC.

4) J. Walter Moore, a CIA officer working in the CIA's Domestic Contact Division in Dallas, according to De Mohrenschildt. De Mohrenschildt told me that he had reported the Walker assassination attempt and the telltale "Hunter of Fascists" photograph to Moore.

5)Eusebio Azque, the Cuban counsel in Mexico City. Marina testified that Oswald brought photos of the Walker shooting to Mexico to support his request for a visa to go to Cuba. According to witnesses at the consulate, Oswald showed these photographs to Azque, and became involved in a heated argument with him about his bona fides as a Pro-Castro revolutionary." Epstein

I believe the Warren Report is a masterful cover-up of a great deal of information. The beginning of Walker’s testimony becomes a striking example when you open the book on Walkers military "background." Development of Special Forces, Special Operations, Covert War (Greece), etc., etc., etc. and close association with Maxwell Taylor.

From the Testimony of Edwin Anderson Walker

Q) Would you state your full name for the record, please?

A) Edwin A. Walker. A stands for Anderson.

Q) What is your address?

A) 4011 Turtle Creek Boulevard, Dallas, Tex.

Q) How long have you lived there?

A) I believe since December of 1961 or January of 1962. I am not sure of the month I moved in.

Q) I don't think we have to indicate a great deal of your background for the record, since I think we all know who you are, but you are a retired major general, are you not?

A) No. I am former major general, now resigned from the U.S. Army.

I have used the phrase, "Forrest Gump like life" to describe General Walker. He is always everywhere but people seem to ignore his life as many people ignore the simpleton or homeless person they see on the streets of there own hometowns.

As researchers, weather we like it or not, General Edwin Anderson Walker, is on our turf. Do we continue to ignore him or do we face the reality of this ugly truth?

Jim Root

Edited by Jim Root, 11 December 2004 - 09:33 PM.


#2 Greg Parker

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 01:02 AM

Jim,

I've always felt that the attempt on Walker was nothing but a publicity stunt. This works with or without Oswald's involvement.

The NAA may or may not be accurate (I've spoken to a police forensic scientist about NAA. It has its problems, and apparently is rarely used any more). In any case, the whereabouts and travels of the rifle remain a mystery for much of the time... and I'm not convinced it was ever in Oswald's hands.

The so-called Walker note does not mention anything about Walker, or any particular misdeed/criminal act. It may therefore also pertain to a one man Castro demonstration he probably carried out in Dallas. Dallas may be one of the few places you might expect to get arrested... or shot at for such an act.

Is Walker worth our attention? Yes. Same with the guys from CUSA... Schmidt, for example, came from German stock who lived in Russia... an interesting pedigree considering all the White Russians in the case - including Marina.

Edited by Greg Parker, 12 December 2004 - 01:06 AM.


#3 John Geraghty

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 02:28 PM

most of the conspirators are dead by now so why not try to find the children of possible conspirators and ask them a few questions? I have been trying to track down a few lately with a bit of success.
anybody know if walker had children or any brothers or sisters.
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Posted 12 December 2004 - 07:55 PM

John

I have found one statement by a former West Point classmate that indicates that at some time Walker may have been married for a brief period. My research of Walker seems to suggest that this is not true and that he never was married.

General Edwin Anderson Walker has a nephew by the same name. As I understand it he, or his family, were the ones that deposited the General Walker papers at the University of Texas. These papers are restricted from researchers. I would love to have an opportunity to get into them.

His Aunt was a well know actress of the time named Charlotte Walker. She was very active on the New York stage during the period preceding and while Walker was attending West Point and there is some indication that Walker may have appeared in a play himself during the summer of his junior year. I can imagine this connection may have induced visits to the Broadway scene of that day.

Charlotte Walker's daughter attained a degree of recognition in movies. Her name was Sara Haden and is best remembered for her role as Aunt Milly Forrest in the Andy Hardy series of movies with Mickey Rooney.

Family includes Charles Ganahl who signed the Ordinance of Succession for Texas during the Civil War period.

I do believe the following are living relatives:

Ganahl Walker, Jr. (a historian of some note on the "Hill Country" of Texas)
Charles Ganahl Walker IV
Edwin Anderson Walker (nephew)

I have additional genealogy info but it is stored at a different location.

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Edited by Jim Root, 12 December 2004 - 07:56 PM.


#5 Shanet Clark

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 08:00 PM

Edwin Walker's event was a put-on to help frame up the patsy.
If one of the unmarked Mannlichers could fire into the house, the guy would be a lone nut gunman after the fact. Siewell's car was there at some point, and that had to be excised, and people saw other people, not Oswald, that night, etc.
It looks more like a set up than an actual murder attempt. Jim ROots material developed in the Serendipity and Nosenko threads is very useful in understanding a viable SEVEN DAYS IN MAY scenario featuring Edwin Walker and Maxwell Taylor in the foreground.

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 08:13 PM

Shanet

Just for discussion: How about Oswald as a shooter with a motive that would blow the roof off the CIA, the Pentagon and the executive branch?

Just for discussion.

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 08:30 PM

I assume you mean that Oswald, who knew Walker had squired him into Finland USSR with papers on how to sink the U2?
Oswald finds out in April that Walker is what, planning to kill Kennedy?
I think Oswalds rifle was at the Edwin Walker house, but Oswald wasn't.
It was a frame, by Walker, to use the asset, LHO to Walker's benefit.
Oswald was being set up as if he was the MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE to prevent investigation.



Shanet

Just for discussion:  How about Oswald as a shooter with a motive that would blow the roof off the CIA, the Pentagon and the executive branch?

Just for discussion.

Jim Root

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 09:09 PM

Jim,

As researchers, weather we like it or not, General Edwin Anderson Walker, is on our turf. Do we continue to ignore him or do we face the reality of this ugly truth?

I've been reading The Man Who Knew Too Much, by Dick Russell. He says that a German newspaper reported on November 23rd that Oswald was responsible for the atempted murder of Walker; but Marina didn't tell the authorities about that for four or five days after Kennedy's asassination. How did the German newspaper know? I believe the story came out after the paper interviewed Walker by telephone.

Russell also said Walker's attempted shooting was carried out by Oswald and the two Schmidt brothers financed by H.L. Hunt. Though they ran in the same conservative circles, Hunt and Walker didn't like each other.

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 09:36 PM

Shanet

(Somebody passed Oswald the information generated by the US Embassy in Helsinki on Oct. 9, 1959. Oswald's diversion from France to England and travel in England on Oct. 9, 1959 is contray to his "frugal" nature. Walker is well connected to Military Intelligence. If Walker was the man that passed this info to Oswald)

I see Oswald as a man that is so upset that the Parsi Summit was wreaked by the downing of the U-2 that when he returns to the US and recognizes Walker from newpaper and magazine articles decides to act against a man that is portrayed as so anti-communist that it would be easy for Oswald to believe that Walker had in fact sabotaged the Summit. (I believe all the info on the U-2 had already been passed while Oswald was in Japan, not that Oswald carried any info with him into the Soviet Union. I do not think that, "Walker had squired him into Finland USSR with papers on how to sink the U2") Oswald follows Walker to a speaking engagement, perhaps to see if it is really him, and begins stalking him. He takes pictures of his house and begins planning, in a closet at his apartment, to assassinate a "right wing" nut that Oswald believes may have destroyed the warming relations between the Soviet Union and the US.

Walker is totally unaware of who Oswald is until after the assassination when he recognizes his picture on television as one of hundreds of people that Walker has passed information to at airports, train stations and parks during his work in military intelligence. Believing that he may, in fact, be set up as a fall guy for the assassination because of his association with Oswald or because he knows (because of contact with Oswald) that Oswald is an agent of some sort, Walker is in fear for his own life. Walker recognizes that his work within the "right wing" will make him a suspect in the assassination conspiracy investigation. In panic he makes contact with a German newspaper that prints, based on an interview with General Walker, a story about Oswald shooting at Walker.

The German newpaper/Walker assassination attempt story is another thing that must, by necessity, now be folded into the assassination story that is being fabricated by the Warren Commission. It is, in this senario, the single most important story that cannot be believed and must be lost to history! Otherwise someone might look into Walker's military record and might discover that his connections bring the assassination to close to to many important people.

Oswald is killed. Walker denies providing information for the story but admits making the call (phone logs prove this call was made) and that he spoke with the author of the German newpaper story.

To date, most conspiracy researchers do not want to accept any possible senario that suggests that Oswald shot at Walker. Perhaps we cannot see the forrest for the trees.

It provides a logical connection to the intelligence community.

Walker was taveling in the same area at the same time as Oswald. The records of Oswalds travel and the flight records that would have provided names of who was on the plane that Oswald took to Helsinki vanished. The CIA statement that there was "no direct flight" while true is a coverup when you find the cost of the flight was exactly $111.90. Walker is strongly connected to Taylor.

But why should we entertain any such possible senario if it does not fit our own? By the way, I'll accept others in Dealey Plaza that were placed by someone (Taylor?) that knew where Oswald was. It was the perfect crime.

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 11:03 PM

[quote name='John Geraghty' date='Dec 12 2004, 02:28 PM']
most of the conspirators are dead by now so why not try to find the children of possible conspirators and ask them a few questions? I have been trying to track down a few lately with a bit of success.
anybody know if walker had children or any brothers or sisters.
john

I believe Walker was a confirmed bachelor and homosexual. Don't know about brothers and sisters.

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Posted 12 December 2004 - 11:44 PM

is it just me or are there a lot of homosexuals involved in this case?
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Posted 13 December 2004 - 12:30 AM

Steve

The Russell book is an example of the use of the Walker story by one person while many other researchers discount that Oswald participated in the attempted assassination of Walker. An event did happen and is part of the record to be discounted or accepted by each, their choice.

What I have tried to introduce is the General Walker that, as a military man, was deeply involved in intelligence operations. Something I believe few have ever offered up in this debate.

I ran a thread on the German newpaper's history and story on this website. Here is a copy of what I wrote at the time.

On the 29th of November 1963 the Deutsche National und Soldaten-Zeitung published an article that accused Lee Harvey Oswald of having been the person who had shot at General Edwin A. Walker on April 10, 1963.

When Walker was questioned by Mr. Liebeler of the Warren Commission on July 23, 1964 he was asked about a phone call he received at the Captain Shreve Hotel in Shreveport, Louisiana on November 23, 1963 at about 7:00 a.m.

Mr. Liebeler: "Did you talk to him on a transatlantic telephone call in which you told him about the alleged fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was the person who made an attempt on your life?"

Gen. Walker: "I don't recall that name. Did he speak English? I don't speak German."

Needless to say the Testimony of Edwin A. Walker is interesting to say the least, perhaps misleading for a purpose.

I find it interesting that the same day this article appeared in Germany the Warren Commission was established. (And that the information in the article mirrors the Warren Reports conlussions dealing with the Walker shooting)

The FBI did not suspect the connection between the Walker shooting and the Kennedy assassination until "the weekend of November 30, 1963." (CE 2524) The FBI interviewed Marina Oswald about her husbands invovement in the attempt to assassinate General Walker on December 2, 1963. (CE 2545)

How did Hasso Thorsten know that Edwin Walker would be at the Captain Shreve Hotel at 7:00 a.m. on the morning of Nov 24th and from whom did Mr. Thorsten get the telephone number of the hotel that Walker was staying in? Walker lived in Dallas, Texas and had been traveling around the country on speaking engagements. He, to my knowledge, had no plans to speak in Shreveport on the two days that he stayed there (Nights of Nov. 23 and 24).

Is it possible that Walker, after seeing Oswald's picture on the television news recognized him? How would Walker, an outspoken critic of Kennedy, react to the assassination if he did in fact recognize Oswald?

Begining in 1951, while Warren Commissioner John J. McCloy was the High Commissioner for Germany, till 1959 this same German paper had been published under the name, Die Deutsche Soldaten-Zeitung. The creation of this publication in 1951 was reportedly funded by the CIA.

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Dave

Thank you for the information. It concurs with alot that I have gathered over the years. The one question still: How did Thorsten know where Walker was? My belief is that Walker first contacted Thorsten or had a seragate contact him to arrange the interview immediatly after Oswald was arrested. Did Walker have a reason to fear Oswald alive and in custody (read The Testimony of Jack Ruby)?

Walker did another interview with a Canadian paper in the days after Oswald was shot and no mention of the attempt on his life or the connection between the two was made. The only thing that I see that changed was that Oswald was now dead and dead men tell no tales (Walker mentions something to that effect in his testimony before the Warren Commission).

While this may sound a little odd check out when Walker took command of the 24th Infantry Division, October of 1959. He left Little Rock, Arkansas and traveled to Germany early in October. Was he perhaps on a flight out of London on the 9th or even at the airport in London. Just a strange coincidence of timing I guess.

The connection of Frey to a CIA financed newpaper (created while McCloy was High Commissioner of Germany and a person who pardoned many Nazi's during his tenure as High Commissioner) and Gehlen makes Walker's story, if initiated by Walker all the more intriguing, but only if Walker would have some connection to the CIA or some sort of covert opps (like running the Greek desk at the Pentagon during the Greek Civil War) that would put a person like him in contact with a person like Oswald.

If the question about who initiated the call and why could be answered it would be very helpful to me. Perhaps also, who made the connection that (according to Thorsten and the Warren Commission) Oswald had shot at Walker?



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Posted 13 December 2004 - 05:06 PM

There's an aquaintence that they all have in common - Robert Morris. When Schmidt went to Dallas, one of the first people he met up with was Morris. When Walker needed a lawyer, he called Morris. After Loran Hall was arrested, he called Morris. When Hall needed an intro to the "oil men" he called Morris.

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Posted 13 December 2004 - 10:47 PM

David

Since you bring up Robert Morris perhaps you have more information than I do.

Here is what I know. Morris was involved with the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee that was established by Senator Pat McCarran. I have always looked as the McCarran Act as an extention of the Smith Act. The registration of Communists was the intention and it passed by a wide margin after a Veto by Truman.

I have always wondered if this act gave the government the ability to monitor and watch a person like Oswald that early in his life began to talk about his admiration for Communist/Marxist ideology.

The Morris Walker connection is usually given in a "right wing" type of connection but I wounder if it had more of an intelligence collection/exchange capacity instead.

Your thoughts.

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 02:56 AM

Edwin Walker's event was a put-on to help frame up the patsy.
If one of the unmarked Mannlichers could fire into the house, the guy would be a lone nut gunman after the fact...


Ok, so I'm trying to understand the Walker episode. It's almost up there with the Tippit mystery.
I'm leaning towards believing, along with Shanet, that it was part of the setup to make the patsy look like a hard core left wing gun-totin' wacko.

But... if that's the case then why wasn't the Walker episode publicized more after Oswald's death to reinforce the image they were manufacturing of him?

Was it publicized a lot to help incriminate the patsy but I'm not aware of it?
Seems like the propagandists would want maximum mileage out of the incident; why bother to set it up otherwise?




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