The Stamp on the Military ID card

[David Josephs]

32 minutes ago, Chris Newton said:

David my understanding is that there are "books" of uniquely numbered cards given to each service branch . Therefore, I assume that the numbers could be duplicated between different services. Oswald's card begins with a "N" - Navy,  Powers' card begins with "AF" - Air Force. There's no correlation between the numbers on each card. I also believe that the number of the card issued correlates to the book it was taken out of, they are not issued from a central location so a Card issued at EL TORO and a card issued the same day at Pearl Harbor would be issued from two different "books" and could have wildly different numbers.

Yet there still should have been a central record of these numbers and who they were assigned/given to... as well as the spent "books" with a certain number in each...

yes?

[Chris Newton]

6 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Yet there still should have been a central record of these numbers and who they were assigned/given to... as well as the spent "books" with a certain number in each...

yes?

Yes. There's no reason to have "numbered" ID's if there is no way to keep track of them. If the number wasn't important then the card would have no number. I assume, DoD would have some way of knowing that so-and-so base had a certain "book" of blanks. I'd be interested in the numbers on the other cards MACS, EL TORO issued (if they ever issued them) in the same time frame. My suspicion though is that the New Orleans' Naval Facilities may be the source.

I was trying to research the service regulations concerning expired ID's and I cant find anything that is a 50's-60's regulations, yet, but currently if you try to enter any military base and you present an expired ID Security will confiscate and destroy it.

 

[Chris Newton]

On 8/30/2017 at 11:23 AM, David Josephs said:

 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136#relPageId=358&tab=page  is the start of the COLE exhibits.  #5 is the unmarked version of #6 it appears... but I don't see how

The very first card on that page is the ID Oswald presented on arrest in New Orleans (not the "fake" DoD dependent card). The backside has Oswald's dates of service and the card is signed by Lt. jg. Ayers. This is what the FBI report indicated.

That little mystery is resolved.

 

[David Josephs]

On ‎9‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 1:06 PM, Chris Newton said:

The very first card on that page is the ID Oswald presented on arrest in New Orleans (not the "fake" DoD dependent card). The backside has Oswald's dates of service and the card is signed by Lt. jg. Ayers. This is what the FBI report indicated.

That little mystery is resolved.

 

I was speaking of Cole 5 and 6...  I mistakenly put the DOD front on Cole #2

There sure does seem to be a bunch of blank DOD cards in those Cole exhibits from which to create the Oswald/Hidell finished products...

It's as if COLE is showing us how they think Oswald did it...

but it seems to white out the ALEK ID and not someone else's to create his...  or from a blank.

This is #803 into #804 with the final product inverted...

 

and here is a LARGE version of the actual card

 

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by David Josephs

[Chris Newton]

Is that white out or is that air stuck under the lamination? I see a thin grey/white area around the edge that makes the card seem to be laminated.

[David Josephs]

5 minutes ago, Chris Newton said:

Is that white out or is that air stuck under the lamination? I see a thin grey/white area around the edge that makes the card seem to be laminated.

White out I believe...

Here's one more with the LEE OSWALD SSS card original and the finished product along with the white out locations

[Tom Hume]

We can see many erasure areas on the SSS card because the erased areas obviously persist. “Richard Case Nagell” anagrams to:

“A.H. CARD, L ERASE CLING”

Or,

“ERASE CLING L A.H. CARD”

The alias signature is in bright green ink. “Richard Case Nagell” anagrams to:

“L.H CARD, GREEN ALIAS. C”

David, you probably noticed when you were aligning the head on the Alek J Hidell card that it needed to be straightened roughly 4 degrees. “Richard Case Nagell” anagrams to:

“L.H. ALIAS, 4 DEG ARC. RCN”

And “Richard Case Nagell” anagrams to:

“A RICHARD C’S L ANGLE, 4”

(In CE 133A and 133C, the subject is also at a 4 degree tilt. "Lee Harvey Oswald" anagrams to "LHO SWAY REVEALED", "L HEAD OVERLAY WES" etc.)

The Lee H Oswald DD Form 1173 is green. “Richard Case Nagell” anagrams to:

“ALAS, L GREENISH CARD”

Or,

"A L CARD, a la GREENISH"

Seeming to refer to the 1173 card in Lee's wallet on 11/22, “Lee Harvey Oswald” anagrams to:

“22, O LEAVE AYERS' 1173”

And,

“WE’VE A AYERS' 1173. LO

There's been much discussion on this thread about the puzzling stamped circles in the area of the 1173 photo. “Richard Case Nagell” anagrams to:

“1173 CIRCLE AREA SNAG”

In the exact center of these circles on the card is a capital letter “G”. “Richard Case Nagell” anagrams to:

“N CIRCLES A 1173 ‘G’ AREA”

Referring to the Ayers signature with the strange flying lowercase “e” at the end, “Lee Harvey Oswald” anagrams to:

“AYERS 1173, LO WAVE ‘E’”

Or,

"LO 1173, AYERS WAVE 'E'"

There’s a bunch more and I’ll try to compile them into a proper post. But my point is that a major story telling technique of Richard Nagell’s “ICO” group was to create enigmatic events for us to notice and solve, and many, if not most, had their roots in naturally occurring full anagrams of the names of the ICO members. Most of the examples above are not very informational, they are there to let us know that the ICO group was intentionally creating events. Many of these corresponding anagrams/events, however, turn into, or lead to, information-packed puzzles. 

Maybe in my old age, I’ll start living out the anagrams of my name. This would mean that I’d take up nude skydiving, become a professional jockey, always wear a red propeller beanie, have an image of Pee-wee Herman tattooed to my forehead, and subsist on a diet of nothing but Kumquats. And that’s just the short list. 

Anagrams as self-fulfilling prophesies. Please believe that I have anagrammed the daylights out of all of my friends names, and once in awhile, I find something interesting that pertains to them, and I surprise them with it. Start anagramming “Richard Case Nagell”, “Lee Harvey Oswald”, and “Igor Vladimirs Vaganov (which I submit was a created name), and you will find many, if not most, of the confounding enigmas associated with the assassination. Start solving ICO's anagram puzzles, and you may discover that everything is connected.

I don’t think this has been mentioned before, but take a look at the top line of the bottom two paragraphs on the Hidell card. The word “violation” has been toyed with. This, I submit, was so it would be noticed and I think I know why, but I’ll leave it to you to discuss what you believe it says. Something similar happened to the number "62" on Nagell's phony version of Oswald's 1173 card.

A=0)(B=1)(C=2)(D=3)(E=4)(F=5)(G=6)(H=7)(I=8)(J=9)(K=10)(L=11)(M=12)(N=13)(O=14)(P=15)(Q=16)(R=17)(S=18)(T=19)(U=20)(V=21)(W=22)(X=23)(Y=24)(Z=25) 

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2017 by Tom Hume

[Chris Newton]

1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

Here's one more with the LEE OSWALD SSS card original and the finished product along with the white out locations

Whiteout. I agree.

Ok I see how he could make the draft cards but the DoD card has a watermark. I think he'd need an original blank. It also doesn't explain how he had that card a week before it was issued.

 

[David Josephs]

On ‎9‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 3:54 PM, Chris Newton said:

Whiteout. I agree.

Ok I see how he could make the draft cards but the DoD card has a watermark. I think he'd need an original blank. It also doesn't explain how he had that card a week before it was issued.

 

Are you mixing the SSS card up with the DOD card... ?

the SSS card doesn't have the seal and was rearranged...

the DOD card seems to simply have had the new photo pasted onto it... and yes - I don't see how anyone could reproduce the DOD watermark...

it would have to be from a blank or most likely from Lee's original... little Harvey was never close to 71" tall

 

Edited February 12, 2018 by David Josephs

[Chris Newton]

20 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Are you mixing the SSS card up with the DOD card... ?

the SSS card doesn't have the seal and was rearranged...

the DOD card seems to simply have had the new photo pasted onto it... and yes - I don't see how anyone could reproduce the DOD watermark...

it would have to be from a blank or most likely from Lee's original... little Harvey was never close to 71" tall

I wasn't so much mixing up the two cards but merely "pivoting" from the draft card back to the DoD card that we've been discussing most of this thread.

As far as the Harvey & Lee dynamic, I'm not sold on that theory at all. I am on the fence. I don't want that to inhibit our research but, to it makes me sad every time you and Sandy bring it up to justify some piece of evidence or event. I think "Lee Harvey Oswald", "Lee Oswald", "O.H. Lee" etc. were real names and simultaneously aliases that were tossed around by multiple individuals to build the legend. They were meant to confuse and they did. "Chaos is a ladder"

Edited September 1, 2017 by Chris Newton

[James DiEugenio]

So Chris, 

Do you now think that both cards were fakes, the Selective Service card and the DOD card?

[Chris Newton]

3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Do you now think that both cards were fakes, the Selective Service card and the DOD card?

I have to defer to David Josephs and others about the Selective Service card.

 

I think the DOD card started life somewhere as a real, blank (unissued), DOD ID card.

I don't think the card was issued to Oswald by the Marine Corps Unit that did his ETS paperwork.

I think it's obvious that a "Russian style" ID photo has been attached to the card, probably after Oswalds return from the USSR.

Oswald's US Passport application used this card as an ID (by number), a full week before Lt. jg. Ayers allegedly issued the card.

 

Speculation:

The card was prepared by an agency (CIA? ONI?) asset in anticipation of Oswalds trip to the USSR and Europe. If the DOD ID card's number (4M+)

is within a range of cards issued by Ayer's MACS Command then Lt. jg. Ayers may have been a witting asset of the CIA/ONI. The Francis Gary Powers

DOD ID card revealed that CIA assets did, in fact carry similar ID's. This information would have been unavailable to Oswald at that time. It can only

be through actual involvement with an Agency that this card would be chosen over Oswald's existing and still valid, (at that time  - a week before his discharge),

regular Marine Corp Active Duty Identification on the passport application. If Oswald had the DOD card on his person when he went to the USSR, I think the KGB

would immediately "finger" Oswald as CIA and if so may have confiscated the original card. The possibility also exists that, at some later date, an agency asset

with knowledge that Oswald had a similar card issued created this card as a device to help incriminate Oswald in Dallas.

 

I don't think the card could be used in it's current configuration to successfully gain access to a Military Facility. I think it would have been confiscated. Therefore,

it's "purpose" as an ID would have been severely limited.

[Tom Hume]

Sorry to change the subject, guys, but I’ll be brief.

Because of their interest in the Harvey and Lee aspect, this post is mostly directed to David, Jim D, and, Jim H, and it’s about “ears”. 

Since the subjective puzzle system I’m working with doesn’t appear to yield information about Lee Harvey Oswald and his twin (figurative or literal twin?) before about 1957, and there’s what I might call ‘hints‘ that Richard Nagell worked with the twins for six years, I can’t make any guesses about H&L’s childhood from the puzzles. 

Without bombarding you with anagrams, I’ll just present one anagram that is an idealized representative of others. “Richard Case Nagell” anagrams to:

“RC CHANGE ALL ID EARS”

Years ago, before my puzzle skills improved, one thing that put me off about the Harvey and Lee scenario was that, while I agreed that the photos of the adult Lee Oswald were suspiciously variable, LHO’s ears were always characteristically the same. 

While it may not be 100% true, I’ll bet we’ve all heard that ears are like fingerprints, that no two are the same.

And I’ll also bet that the “ear” problem has bothered the Harvey and Lee folks too.

In the most vocal public statement of Richard Case Nagell’s life, while he was being arrested in El Paso for blasting a couple of holes in the wall of a bank, he blurted out:

“CAPITALISTIC SWINE”

And this is one of his most important puzzles. Without attempting to solve it here, I’ll just mention the two anagrams that literally fall out of “Capitalistic Swine”:

“CIA TWIN SPECIALIST”

And,

“L/I, TWIN CIA PATSIES. C”

“I” is always LHO’s ‘twin”, and “I” is “Igor”, and I part company with the Harvey and Lee scenario on this point: Igor, Case, and Oswald, were on the same side - ICO - good guys. 

Summary: "RC CHANGE ALL ID EARS"

I'm still working on the DD Form 1173 puzzles, but right now my guess would be that the photo is of Marina's husband's doppelganger wearing Marina's husband's ears.

Tom

 

Edited September 2, 2017 by Tom Hume

[Sandy Larsen]

On 9/1/2017 at 0:41 PM, Chris Newton said:

On 9/1/2017 at 3:37 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

Notice that the card isn't laminated

Powers' card is laminated. It is also damaged.

Chis,

You think that a damaged plastic-laminated card could look like this?

 

 

Sorry, I don't buy it. That card has no lamination. Same with the following:

 

 

Look at the rubbed off edges and crinkled photo whose edges are actually pulled off the card in places.

If military regulation required lamination of dependent ID cards, then it is now clear to me that the regulation wasn't always followed.

IMO the fact that Oswald's dependent card isn't laminated is no longer an issue.

 

Edited September 2, 2017 by Sandy Larsen

[Chris Newton]

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Sorry, I don't buy it. That card has no lamination. Same with the following:

You're wrong.

The Powers ID has a pattern in the background. Look at the bottom left corner. FYI: the standard machine that the military uses to laminate IDs produces a curved laminated corner. I have three actual expired military ID that are laminated, all have rounded corners. Take a close look, Powers Card is both laminated and damaged.