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[Chris Davidson]

11 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

Chris:

The depth of the doorway was estimated to be 3'6'' but in reality, it was 3'9''. 

 

Andrej,

What was your source for this information?

[Andrej Stancak]

2 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said:

Andrej,

What was your source for this information?

Gary Murr was kind enough to share the original measurements of the top landing taken by the FBI agents.

[Chris Davidson]

Thank you.

I found it.

[David Josephs]

So this is not accurate showing it to be 5 feet deep?  A little over 3.5 feet is a VERY small landing

FWIW

[Andrej Stancak]

David:

the sketch you show is a part of the official WC plan of the first floor and it is very inaccurate. Please look at the depths of the six treads, how unequal they are. I started with this sketch four years ago when my project started and had to abandon it soon thereafter.

[Chris Davidson]

On 2/21/2019 at 11:38 AM, David Josephs said:

So this is not accurate showing it to be 5 feet deep?  A little over 3.5 feet is a VERY small landing

FWIW

David,

The cycle cop is one step down from the landing.

I believe the shadow which crosses him coincides with the shadow we see on Lovelady's right side (Wiegman frame above).

The men are probably in the approx same location (depending on time elapsed between pictures), just different camera angles.

Added on edit: Breaking down the cycle cop distances within the entry-way, there is no way the previous sentence is true.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Es_9hqgD9aa_q5PFrENu_-R4CPndpVCO/view?usp=sharing

Edited February 22, 2019 by Chris Davidson

[Larry Hancock]

I promised an update on the film at the Sixth Floor Museum film copy.  The good news is that they now have new equipment and if you make arrangements you can indeed view thedigitized film on computer, stop it at any point, blow up any frame to the best of the available resolution and examine it in much more detail than simply seeing it run continuously.  I'd encourage anyone who did view it there before to take another look or to at least contact them and find out what their current capabilities are in regard to viewing.

[Guest]

Hmmm, no one has been? Rather be debating here I presume....

 

Meanwhile Fred LItwin, Kirk Eklund (who?) and Steve Roe are mouthing off that the contact with Marina Oswald led to nothing....eh  newsflash boys. It did. 

[Ed LeDoux]

On 2/19/2019 at 12:58 AM, David Von Pein said:

Andrej,

Good suggestions above. I agree that a sit-down, in-person conversation with Marina Oswald Porter would be the best way to straighten out exactly where she stands on the matter of "Altgens/Lovelady" vs. "Prayer Man". Because I think, as of right now, she is equating ALL "Doorway Man" images with the famous Altgens/Lovelady image. And I think that's why she said this to Ed LeDoux in one of their conversations:

"When I [LeDoux] asked Marina about the images of Prayer Man to Lee, she said, “Yes, seen it many times”, like it was old news."

Now, does anyone really think that Marina Oswald has seen the "Prayer Man" image "many times" since that theory first popped up on anybody's radar in 2013? I seriously doubt it. The image she has very likely seen "many times", however, is the Altgens/Lovelady picture.

And yet SHE said it.

And no matter your take on the history of Marina’s viewing of images you might want to check the cover of PRAYERMAN which she had in front of her.

Might I say... DUH!

[Ray Mitcham]

Anybody recognise Officer E?

Officer E

 

It had been a long escort. We had a lot of people all the way. There were no problems, just a heavy crowd and a lot of yelling and cheering, and the motors were getting hot. When you follow the lead, you do a lot of starting and stopping, trying to hold an interval. I was glad it was almost over.

The crowd was real heavy down on the end of the downtown area, but just past Dealey Plaza it would open up and we would be on the freeway and just a few minutes from the Trade Mart. The front of the motorcade started blocking up in the crowd in those last turns coming off Main and turning onto Elm. Back on Houston, where we were, we were just about stopped and moving real slow when we could move.

A little past half way down Houston (between Main and Elm), I heard the first shot. I could tell it came from somewhere in front of me, and high. As I looked up I noticed all the pigeons flushed off the top of the building on the corner ahead of me. And in the same period I heard the second shot, and then the third one. I couldn't see just where the shots came from but I knew they were from a high-powered rifle. I hunt a lot, and had just got back from hunting. There was no mistaking that; there were three shots, that's for sure. Though I didn't see exactly where the shots came from, I knew in my own mind they probably came from the corner building as the sound was right and because of the pigeons. So I headed there, got off my motor and entered the building (the Texas School Book Depository). It took a while because of the crowd; they had started moving in every direction.

The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside and met me at the door and went in with me. Shortly after I entered the building I confronted Oswald. The man who identified himself as the superintendent said that Oswald was all right, that he was employed there. We left Oswald there, and the supervisor showed me the way upstairs. We couldn't get anyone to send the freight elevator down. In giving the place a quick check, I found nothing that seemed out of the ordinary, so I started back to see what had happened. Not knowing for sure what had happened, I was limited in what I could legally do.

The investigator from Washington contacted me for my recollection of what happened, but I guess they weren't interested in what I said.
 

[Ray Mitcham]

the above is from the following.

Review of Gary Savages book.

 

5.0 out of 5 stars

the evidence that would have sent Oswald to the chair

9 December 2009

Format: Hardcover

For serious students of the JFK assassination this book is a 'must have'.

 

There is so much to commend this wonderful publication that it really is very difficult to know where to start. Perhaps it would be best to kick-off with the author and his 'source'.

Gary Savage wrote this book in conjunction with his uncle R. W. (Rusty) Livingston. Rusty served with the Dallas Police Department for twenty-three years beginning in 1951. On the evening of JFK's murder Rusty was working in the Crime Scene Search Section of the Identification Bureau. He helped process much of the evidence developed by the DPD. Fortunately for Savage and history, Rusty had maintained reference copies of everything that he worked on. That `everything' is here present in book form as fresh as the day that it was culled from the crime scenes.

 

It's all here - the backyard photographs, the spy camera, the finger prints, plenty of documents and much, much more.

 

The book also features the full rebuttal of the `acoustics evidence' that was used to `sex-up' the 1978 HSCA report with the tantalising "..probability of 95% or better, that there was a fourth shot from the grassy knoll". The rebuttal was prepared by James C. Bowles who was best placed to refute the claim.

 

Wonderful book!

[Andrej Stancak]

18 hours ago, Ray Mitcham said:

A little past half way down Houston (between Main and Elm), I heard the first shot. I could tell it came from somewhere in front of me, and high. As I looked up I noticed all the pigeons flushed off the top of the building on the corner ahead of me. And in the same period I heard the second shot, and then the third one. I couldn't see just where the shots came from but I knew they were from a high-powered rifle. I hunt a lot, and had just got back from hunting. There was no mistaking that; there were three shots, that's for sure. Though I didn't see exactly where the shots came from, I knew in my own mind they probably came from the corner building as the sound was right and because of the pigeons. So I headed there, got off my motor and entered the building (the Texas School Book Depository). It took a while because of the crowd; they had started moving in every direction.

The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside and met me at the door and went in with me. Shortly after I entered the building I confronted Oswald. The man who identified himself as the superintendent said that Oswald was all right, that he was employed there. We left Oswald there, and the supervisor showed me the way upstairs. We couldn't get anyone to send the freight elevator down. In giving the place a quick check, I found nothing that seemed out of the ordinary, so I started back to see what had happened. Not knowing for sure what had happened, I was limited in what I could legally do.

Ray:

many thanks for posting the sections of the book which I did not read, I admit. While Officer Baker is seen running to the steps in Couch/Darnell (with an unclear end trajectory), it seems that some period of time has elapsed until he and Roy Truly got to the building.