David Josephs

Morning Lee... Didn't LHO rent the room as O.H.LEE so that Mrs Johnson would know him as Mr. Lee? Mr. BALL. When is the first time you ever saw Lee Oswald? Mrs. ROBERTS. The day he came in and rented the room--the 14th of October. Mr. BALL. Had you ever heard of the man before? Mrs. ROBERTS. No, and he didn't register as Oswald---he registered as O. H. Lee. Mr. BALL. Did he sign his name? Mrs. ROBERTS. O. H. Lee. Mr. BALL. Did he sign his own name that way ? Mrs. ROBERTS. O. H. Lee---that's what he was registered as Allegedly, David. That's what the evidence suggests. It's in Fritz's notes that Oswald alleged it was the housekeeper that made the error. Ruth and Marina claimed to have called Beckley only to be told there was no one there by the name Lee Harvey Oswald. Gladys Johnson was also interviewed by a researcher, whose name escapes me right now, where she recounted the same series of events - that the police and FBI were at 1026 North Beckley not long after the Tippit murder, between 1:30-2:00pm. Which lends a lot more credence to the fact that Will Fritz knew about the Beckley address long before he claims Oswald actually told him about it. Long before he'd even started interrogating him. So the question is how? Not sure why but a gut feeling tells me that Ruby somehow gets that info to Fritz thru others... Maybe Ruby thru Tippit to the DPD? Could be why Tippit had to go. Makes more sense that the Mafia would get rid of Tippit if he was involved and Oswald had to remain the PATSY... DJ DJ I think the Oswald wallet at the Tippit scene comes into play, David. If the DPD and/or the FBI were at 1026 North Beckley anywhere near Johnson's times of 1:30pm-2:00pm then the wallet could have possibly pushed them there. An interesting thought yet I have yet to see an item of ID with OSWALD & BECKLEY both on it... In CE1963 p.557 we have a timeline where Oswald is at Beckley from 10/14 - 11/22 except other than arriving there there is not a single entry for him ever going BACK to that address... Have you seen anything with a Beckley address on it? DJ

Morning Lee... Didn't LHO rent the room as O.H.LEE so that Mrs Johnson would know him as Mr. Lee? Mr. BALL. When is the first time you ever saw Lee Oswald? Mrs. ROBERTS. The day he came in and rented the room--the 14th of October. Mr. BALL. Had you ever heard of the man before? Mrs. ROBERTS. No, and he didn't register as Oswald---he registered as O. H. Lee. Mr. BALL. Did he sign his name? Mrs. ROBERTS. O. H. Lee. Mr. BALL. Did he sign his own name that way ? Mrs. ROBERTS. O. H. Lee---that's what he was registered as Allegedly, David. That's what the evidence suggests. It's in Fritz's notes that Oswald alleged it was the housekeeper that made the error. Ruth and Marina claimed to have called Beckley only to be told there was no one there by the name Lee Harvey Oswald. Gladys Johnson was also interviewed by a researcher, whose name escapes me right now, where she recounted the same series of events - that the police and FBI were at 1026 North Beckley not long after the Tippit murder, between 1:30-2:00pm. Which lends a lot more credence to the fact that Will Fritz knew about the Beckley address long before he claims Oswald actually told him about it. Long before he'd even started interrogating him. So the question is how? Not sure why but a gut feeling tells me that Ruby somehow gets that info to Fritz thru others... Maybe Ruby thru Tippit to the DPD? Could be why Tippit had to go. Makes more sense that the Mafia would get rid of Tippit if he was involved and Oswald had to remain the PATSY... DJ DJ

I'll have something to say about this at some point tomorrow, David. I want to read up on a few things first. Thanks Lee... would be very interested in what you have to say on the subject. DJ

This is a bit of a surprise to me... no comments at all? The section as written was completely UNNECESSARY to the discussion of the interrogation... Adding that he was asking BECAUSE he wanted to determine where the photo was taken is a dead giveaway. He ends page 8 with "...where he was living." yet goes on to add the part about the photo knowing full well that it had not been found by then. Does anyone know who the stenogragher was who helped Fritz with this and whether it was Fritz who added this part...? Was he that smart to leave a clue in his report days later? And why add MORE detail... thanks DJ

Morning Lee... Didn't LHO rent the room as O.H.LEE so that Mrs Johnson would know him as Mr. Lee? Mr. BALL. When is the first time you ever saw Lee Oswald? Mrs. ROBERTS. The day he came in and rented the room--the 14th of October. Mr. BALL. Had you ever heard of the man before? Mrs. ROBERTS. No, and he didn't register as Oswald---he registered as O. H. Lee. Mr. BALL. Did he sign his name? Mrs. ROBERTS. O. H. Lee. Mr. BALL. Did he sign his own name that way ? Mrs. ROBERTS. O. H. Lee---that's what he was registered as

ALL THAT cause you cant find the $10? Really Dave? Cause REA can't say HERE is the $21.22 and the $19.95 sent to Seaport? Dave... This guy - Alvarado, knows this story bout Oswald... give him a call.. 555.CIA.ASET peace out DJ

Sir... You are aware that by adding layers with a variety of interpolated "effects" on what can only be a finite amount of ORIGINAL DATA will, with enough play, create any effect desired... Reading thru the thread I still have not seen a simple list of the layers used and the effects employed... but I have seen you make "doesn't it make sense" arguments in support of the conclusions... Anyone who has worked with layers understands what you are doing and how you have basically incorporated manufactured data into the existing image... Yes, the data is there and you create more with the process... but it is still "created" and not - hidden info not seen in the, what? prints? images you are using? sorry sir, but there is no EXTRA INFO in the files.... only processing effects enhancing ogiginal images to a state that MAY or MAY NOT be in what was the original... When we are using digitized originals, we STILL will be enhancing info not altogether there... I applaud the effort and the result, it still takes work... but "line enhancement filters" from photoshop superimposed over 5-10 other layered effects doth not make a new view of an ORIGINAL image... Peace DJ

In his notes of Oswald's interrogation, Fritz had his notes typed up and then it SEEMS as if he edited them with a stenographer who added text as needed.. The BIG DEAL over Fritz asking Oswald about the BY photos on Saturday, 4 hours BEFORE they were found, has always bothered me since the standard reply has been that this was after the fact and not necessarily remembered correctly... I found this page of notes from Fritz' report in the Dallas Archives and had someone finally transcribe the shorthand... it is virtually verbatim of the final reports typed text... " ...when the picture was made of him holding the rifle...." Box 1: Folder 15 1. Interrogation, by an unknown author. Typed rough draft with handwritten corrections pertaining to the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), date unknown. 12 pages 00000412 01 15 001 0412-001.gif 0412-002.gif 0412-003.gif 0412-004.gif 0412-005.gif 0412-006.gif 0412-007.gif 0412-008.gif 0412-009.gif 0412-010.gif 0412-011.gif 0412-012.gif To me this proves that Fritz had the opportunity to think about what he was writing and make additions... he decides to add the fact that he asked Oswald about where he lived SPECIFICALLY to find out where the photo(s) were made... at the 12:35 interrogation. Strange thing though is that the next page of the rough draft INCLUDES the shorthand written passage? I STILL think this whole little "episode" is very strange indeed. DJ

Mr Von Pein... you've succeeded in diverting the attention of yet another thread... let's try not being tautological for once okay? Forget whether Oswald has this gun or not... there are some basic steps in the process that are MISSING... The "CASH" marked by the "X" is related to the $19.95 balance plus COD charges... I have a few "DO YOU THINKS" as well Do you think that Seaport would not record the reciept of the COD deposit? This invoice is dated March 13... the $10 deposit was sent "in january"? When did Seaport get the coupon and deposit... and why is there not a single shred of evidence supporting that answer? Do you think that Seaport would not record the deposit of that $10 in some sort of record or DO YOU THINK they just kept their money under a mattress? Do YOU THINK that Railway would want to collect their money as well? Don't they get the $1.27 COD charge? So Railway would have records of the $1.27 transaction, as well as the forwading of the money to Seaport... DO YOU THINK there would be records of these transactions? In what did Oswald mail the $10 cash deposit? What day did Seaport get the order? Should be in the records if any of the FBI cared to look... So please DVP... stick to the questions... you want to start a post on what you think is OBVIOUS... have at it... I just want to know why the records for the 2nd most important gun purchase are not available. DJ Where is your proof the rifle and pistol arrived at the P.O. (coming from Chicago and Los Angeles, respectively) "on the same day"? There's no proof of that. (Not that it really matters, of course.) Plus: Why couldn't Oswald have picked up his guns on a Saturday, instead of a workday? He didn't work Saturdays at Jaggars, did he? And weren't the post offices open at least a half-day on Saturdays in Dallas in 1963? (They are here in Indiana.) Another basic, common-sense point needs to be made here---- Who the heck orders something through the mail, and then doesn't even bother to go and pick it up? And please don't chime in with "Where's the proof Oswald ordered ANY guns through the mail?" -- because that's totally absurd. OF COURSE Oswald ordered his guns via mail-order. Hence, he would have been expecting them to arrive at the place he had them sent--his P.O. Box. Hence, he would have picked the damn things up. Can anyone possibly fight the basic logic of my last paragraph? And, IMO, the rifle and pistol were not ordered a month apart. Oswald merely filled out the pistol coupon on January 27th, but it's almost a certainty that he didn't mail it until March 12th...the same day he mailed in his rifle coupon to Klein's. How can we know this? Because BOTH Seaport & Klein's internal paperwork show stamped dates of "March 13, 1963" on the respective invoices for those purchases. (Which, of course, would also mean, if I'm correct, that Oswald's revolver coupon made it to L.A. in just one day -- which is possible, since he very likely used Air Mail to mail it too, like he did his Klein's order.) But do you really think that Seaport received Oswald's order in late January, but then didn't write up the invoice until March 13th? I would doubt it. And please note that the Seaport order indicates with an "X" the method of Oswald's initial $10 deposit -- via "Cash".

When interviewed Michaelis stated a number of interesting yet unsupported things including That the $10 deposit was in cash... yet he says they only rec'd the coupon... no envelope and no mention of the coupon's request that the deposit be check or money order.... He also says that RAILWAY collected the $19.95... NOT as DVP says that Railway sent the pistol to the PO BOX... and collected the $1.27 and forwarded that to Seaport... He offers the below Railway doc as proof... not so much, right? DJ

This is the only thing that we have to know A.Hidell ordered a .38 It specifically asks for a CHECK or MO for the $10 (1/3) deposit.. There was no envelope, and once again no proof of delivery. Since Seaport did ship the pistol, SOMEONE sent a $10 deposit.. Who did - When - & Where is it? Along with the transfer of the $21.22 to Seaport for the balance.... thanks and happy holiday DJ The other image is a compilation of the Railway shipping doc and Seaport's doc showing they got the $10 deposit but Not the $1.27 COD charge... So Kleins ships different rifles for their C20-T750 orders Lipschultz is okay saying that 900lbs of rifle and cartons costs the same to ship as 750lbs and now Seaport is just fine with not collecting their COD charges... good thing all these add up, huh? DJ

I've been looking at anything I can to prove that Seaport rec'd a $10 CHECK or MONEY ORDER per the coupon's instructions... There is no envelope for this order OR any evidence showing the deposit or COD amount were ever paid.... AND it was supposed to include the $1.27 for COD... I have not found anything else yet... has there been anything? thx DJ

Near the upper right section of the first picture, which is magnified, are there 2 men hiding there with rifles or am I seeing things? Kathy C Don't think you're seeing things... is this any better?

Here is the man I speak of... He seems to have jumped in his seat at this point... reacting to a shot?

Was talking about the guy sitting on the firescape... He MUST have climbed out a window... we assume it was the 2nd floor window below him, OR the 3rd floor and he came down... Might have been a good person to speak to.... DJ

Now we've all see this image... yet I had not read about how this man gets out to his perch and then back in again... It would seem he exited the 2nd floor window or may have come down from the third floor.... ? Any more info on Fire Escape Man? (FEM? lol) thanks DJ

You did excellent work on the enlargements... thanks.. kind of like the grief I got for this one: any help trying to find Norman, Williams and Jarman on the 5th floor... THEY don't seem to be there - do they?

Gil... I am doing my own work on this and have a question.... this does confirm that 3376 was not checked off... yet please help me understand The price extension on these cartons is $8.50..... the same as the CHANGED 1/12/62 order on 4/13/62 to M91/38 at $8.50ea Doesn't that suggest that this order posted below is for the 40.2 inch M91/38 $8.50 rifle....? even though the weigh does not add up... Could the 7.5lb weight per rifle have come from dividing the shipped weight by 100 or does each rifle actually weigh 7.5lbs? If so, there would be no weight left for the shipping cartons... So bottom line... with the $8.50 price, why are these not the longer rifle... and is that why 3376 was not checked? Thanks DJ Gil Wrote:

I believe you are correct. The info I posted was from an old History Channel program that was inaccurate. You'd think that if they were posting HISTORY, they'd at least do some research into it before broadcasting it. Thank You for the correction. At 7 seconds of that spliced together film.. the limo is stopped and people are right up beside JFK... he's shaking hands... You also notice how the SS follow-up car NEVER gets more than a few feet from the back of the limo... except in the few seconds just before z313.... just sayin Cheers Gil.... you've done such excellent work - thanks DJ

http://www.xat.org/xat/moneyhistory.html The story of the all out attempt to insure the USA had a central, privately owned bank, is the cornerstone to understanding the development of the USA as a country and world power... As we know, money today is not backed by hard currency.... and the Fed controls policy... Kennedy was trying to get out from under them... Cheers DJ

FWIW, I've searched my HSCA CD and am also unable to find any reference to Alba, a rivet machine, the sling and Oswald. I'd be interested why Alba told two different stories to two different investigations. Perhaps Mr. Purvis can enlighten us with a link to the HSCA testimony. Page (4) of the following link: http://contentdm.baylor.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/15poage-arm&CISOPTR=31618&REC=2 "One time OSWALD came to the garage with a rifle sling and asked if he could put a rivet in a piece of leather. ALBA did using a small anvil from his shop which he still has in his possession. The piece that he put in was a light tan color and slightly wider but not as thick as the original which according to him was black leather. OSWALD told him it was from his Italian rifle. Mr. ALBA then had a discussion with the two investigators concerning the worthiness of the Mannlicher Carcano rifle and how they were available in the New Orleans area for $9.95 at that time." Somewhat of an important recollection. Now, if everyone would excuse me? I have to go back to covering up the assassination on behalf of Lord Bertrand Russell and Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Bye Thanks Lee... I find the "Original Black Sling" mentioned to be interesting... For the rifle to have the Rope Sling in the BYP, it had to have been shipped without a sling or one was taken off... As we look at the ad... there is no sling included with the shipping of this rifle (same with clip and ammo - these are ordered seperately) yet also as curious is the REAR bottom sling mount... when we know it was on the side of the weapon in the TSBD... We going to chalk that up to clip art not being representative of the final product? So the rifle is shipped without a sling... so which black sling is Oswald referring to here? Thanks DJ David, No problem. The issue of the rifle ordered versus the one advertised versus the one allegedly dispatched versus the one found is a head-wrecker. I really don't know what to make of Alba. I know Jim D has already touched upon his credibility taking a nose dive and once again we have a witness where his testimony is all over the place. He gives some info that hints at a possible Oswald relationship with the FBI. He brings the Secret Service into the equation. He links Oswald to the gun magazines. He says he fixed the strap. But the summary says he didn't. He claims Oswald asked to borrow his car. If Alba is linked to the Lake Pontchartrain camps then who the hell knows where he fits into all this? Lee Well... starting to read Garrison's book... Crescent, next to Reilly's, next to 544 Camp, in the middle of intelligence in NOLA... You get the impression that Alba may have been one of the NO T-1 thru 6 informants? Sees him most every day... just a thought. btw... found a photo of a Carcano sling, black leather, like Alba says Oswald mentions.... nothing like this was found in any of the Oswald/Paine stuff... right?

I'd like to focus for a second on this reliance on the Baker/Truly "encounter" that I am not convinced actually happened. Baker, for months, does not say anything about a lunchroom, a door with a window, nothing... Truly's testimony is pretty direct. Mr. BELIN. I ask you to state, if you know what this is. Mr. TRULY. Yes. This is the vestibule, when you first come up the stairs on the second floor--this is what you will find right there. Mr. BELIN. Now, as you take a look at the picture Exhibit 498, is this a post immediately to the left side of the picture, to the extreme left of the picture? Mr. TRULY. No. Mr. BELIN. What is this to the extreme left? Is that the wall for the staircase? Mr. TRULY. Yes; there is an opening on this side, and the staircase is back over here. This picture is just part of this vestibule out here. Mr. BELIN. And what direction does the camera appear to be pointing, or what is shown there? Mr. TRULY. It appears to be pointing east. Mr. BELIN. And I see a door with a glass in it. Could you show where on this diagram Exhibit 497 this door with the glass is? Do you see a number with an arrow pointing to the door? Mr. TRULY. That is it. Mr. BELIN. What number is that? Mr. TRULY. It is number 23. Mr. BELIN. All right. Number 23, the arrow points to the door that has the glass in it. Now, as you raced around, how far did you start up the stairs towards the third floor there? Mr. TRULY. I suppose I was up two or three steps before I realized the officer wasn't following me. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? Mr. TRULY. I came back to the second floor landing. Mr. BELIN. What did you see? Mr. TRULY. I heard some voices, or a voice, coming from the area of the lunchroom, or the inside vestibule, the area of 24. Mr. BELIN. All right. And I see that there appears to be on the second floor diagram, a room marked lunchroom. Mr. TRULY. That is right. Mr. BELIN. What did you do then? Mr. TRULY. I ran over and looked in this door No. 23. Mr. BELIN. Through the glass, or was the door open? Mr. TRULY. I don't know. I think I opened the door. I feel like I did. I don't remember. Mr. BELIN. It could have been open or it could have been closed, you do not remember? Mr. TRULY. The chances are it was closed. Mr. BELIN. You thought you opened it? Mr. TRULY. I think I opened it. I opened the door back and leaned in this way. Mr. BELIN. What did you see? Mr. TRULY. I saw the officer almost directly in the doorway of the lunch-room facing Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. BELIN. And where was Lee Harvey Oswald at the time you saw him? Mr. TRULY. He was at the front of the lunchroom, not very far inside he was just inside the lunchroom door. Mr. BELIN. All right. Mr. TRULY. 2 or 3 feet, possibly. Mr. BELIN - And did you go all the way up to the top of the stairs right away? Mr. BAKER - No, sir; we didn't. Mr. BAKER - What happened? Mr. BAKER - As I came out to the second floor there, Mr. Truly was ahead of me, and as I come out I was kind of scanning, you know, the rooms, and I caught a glimpse of this man walking away from this--I happened to see him through this window in this door. I don't know how come I saw him, but I had a glimpse of him coming down there. Mr. DULLES - Where was he coming from, do you know? Mr. BAKER - No, sir. All I seen of him was a glimpse of him go away from me. Mr. BELIN - What did you do then? Mr. BAKER - I ran on over there Representative BOGGS -You mean where he was? Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. There is a door there with a glass, it seemed to me like about a 2 by 2, something like that, and then there is another door which is 6 foot on over there, and there is a hallway over there and a hallway entering into a lunchroom, and when I got to where I could. see him he was walking away from me about 20 feet away from me in the lunchroom. Mr. BELIN - What did you do? Mr. BAKER - I hollered at him at that time and said, "Come here." He turned and walked right straight back to me. Does that look likely to you? That Baker sees Oswald THRU the window... yet goes on THAT DAY to sign an AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT that has nothing at all to say about a lunchroom, door, window, vestibule or anything he testifies to later... This man HAD to pass Truly first, right... yet Truly says nothing of this man on the stairs... isn't this perjury for Baker? The WC does not even mention his affidavit. Yet this person as described sounds awfully like the man at the Tippit murder... BROWN jacket and all...

FWIW, I've searched my HSCA CD and am also unable to find any reference to Alba, a rivet machine, the sling and Oswald. I'd be interested why Alba told two different stories to two different investigations. Perhaps Mr. Purvis can enlighten us with a link to the HSCA testimony. Page (4) of the following link: http://contentdm.baylor.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/15poage-arm&CISOPTR=31618&REC=2 "One time OSWALD came to the garage with a rifle sling and asked if he could put a rivet in a piece of leather. ALBA did using a small anvil from his shop which he still has in his possession. The piece that he put in was a light tan color and slightly wider but not as thick as the original which according to him was black leather. OSWALD told him it was from his Italian rifle. Mr. ALBA then had a discussion with the two investigators concerning the worthiness of the Mannlicher Carcano rifle and how they were available in the New Orleans area for $9.95 at that time." Somewhat of an important recollection. Now, if everyone would excuse me? I have to go back to covering up the assassination on behalf of Lord Bertrand Russell and Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Bye Thanks Lee... I find the "Original Black Sling" mentioned to be interesting... For the rifle to have the Rope Sling in the BYP, it had to have been shipped without a sling or one was taken off... As we look at the ad... there is no sling included with the shipping of this rifle (same with clip and ammo - these are ordered seperately) yet also as curious is the REAR bottom sling mount... when we know it was on the side of the weapon in the TSBD... We going to chalk that up to clip art not being representative of the final product? So the rifle is shipped without a sling... so which black sling is Oswald referring to here? Thanks DJ

Thanks again Greg... seems NO 100-16601 comprised a whole bunch of interviews... what I found surprising was this http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pdf/WH17_CE_826.pdf report about Oswald in NO.... There are 6 different NO T-#'s for informants reporting on Oswald... SIX! How does that jive with the FBI not being interested in our boy Lee?? DJ Greg and DJ, thanks for staying connected to the forum. Your posts are always looked forward to by me. And Greg, a special thanks for the recent update on Jack. Thanks Michael... greatly appreaciated and the sentiment is equally returned.

Thanks again Greg... seems NO 100-16601 comprised a whole bunch of interviews... what I found surprising was this http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pdf/WH17_CE_826.pdf report about Oswald in NO.... There are 6 different NO T-#'s for informants reporting on Oswald... SIX! How does that jive with the FBI not being interested in our boy Lee?? DJ