David Josephs

Funny enough... I actually thought that was what you did with that gif.... the explanation makes even more clear. A question though.... do you have a sense about how did they make it appear he was hit at z313 with the Moorman yellow curb in the frame....when Altgens is adamant that the headshot occurred right in front of him... 40 feet down the road? Do you think this is after the limo passes him or as the limo passes him or up the street 15 feet?

I think it was Dino at NPIC who said they - Hawkeyeworks Rochester - could do anything and everything that's doable to film... David Healy wrote a great piece on the machinery of the time... I can only think what tweaks might have been made.... I am 99% sure this is an exerpt from his article... if I mistakenly credited the wrong person... my bad... but I remember that photo I'm really glad you said that Tony.... Position A is one of those things, like the SS describing a shot +/- 4 feet from 5+00, that's in the record, glaring us in the face practically, and negates so much of the evidence offered by the WCR and beyond. You think it's as simple as "nobody asked" as to why we do not have a single witness saying what Truly did? .... and why in the world would they include Position A and that Truly statement in the first place? =========== Not like they didn't change testimony before..... We have proof that Dulles just crossed out what CADIGAN said about the evidence at the FBI lab and rewrote his testimony at that point... why wouldn't they just remove that part from Truly? (from the John Armstrong collection) DELETE and rewrite... y'know, to get the the truth of the matter.... THE ALTERATION OF THE ZAPRUDER FILM - HAWKEYE WORKS.docx

Go to the MATH RULES thread.... Days of reading and incredibly fascinating work... from Chris D.

I reduced the one I work with down so the detail may be a bit fuzzy... the original photoshop file is 170 megs... yet I believe you can use the 1"=20' scale, but you need to set the file up to display that way... This plat also corresponds to CE884 with dots on the street placed by Shaneyfelt after moving the path of the limo south and east by 1.1 feet. Robert West's path flows thru the station numbers... 2+00, 3+00, etc.... with the last shot placed within 4 feet of 5+00... or as the front of the limo reaches the steps by the knoll DJ

Not sure if you've ever seen this animation... but here is a frame from it... you also may do yourself a favor and find a file of the 20:1 or 10:1 plat of Elm... I know another member here is working on a very accurate animation as well... just need to go find it. So, no... if this is accurate the front of the limo doesn't get to the SW corner until after z175... There are no photos or films other than Zapruder... and the Towner hand-off, that shows that section of DP at that time... Checking Davidson's work...z175-180 checks out

Tony, part of the problem with that turn is the Towner Film and of course any photos from that corner... If you have the video or a gif of the frames it's even more pronounced but hard to post... So I use frames instead here... Here's a Towner frame in relation to the curb Truly mentions... As the limo passes I noticed a very strange event occurring , as the limo pulls away it appears to be moving sideways The rear tire gets smaller as the distance from Towner increases.... yet the size of the column and background gets BIGGER... the top image on the left is a sec or so after the image below it... with the column inset from the frame above.... even more examples on the left Tony.... how dat?

And this is why I come here... Can you do the same with the limo rear wheel? The other side of the turn is betrayed by POSITION A which they claim the limo passed thru but was not on the Zfilm... what bothers me most though is Truly mentions it as an after thought.... not as an answer to a direct question... And he's the only one who says this.... Even without prompting you'd think a few others - like Brennan -would mention this.... ????? I'd also like your opinion on something in the next post.... Great thinking outside the box .... DJ I did an analysis on that motorcycle which disappears and takes the widest of the Elm turns... He's lost behind the trees for over 80 frames before he emerges in the exact spot of the limo in Position A - I superimposed him onto the WCR image of Position A.... Unless the SS car cuts the corner more sharply, Z133 (whether real or not) but z133 shows the SS followup car right on the tail of the limo and in a straight line back up Elm... Seems to me the SS car is about where the limo would have taken the wide turn... your thoughts on this are appreciated... DJ

Truly amazing how enjoyable this thread becomes with certain people on ignore... just sayin'

This is an extreme closeup of the 3rd floor window... that black blob is there in every version I've seen and seems to float over the photo... Still appears like someone in that window I've heard say the 2nd floor, 3rd floor, 6th floor and roof... I don't think there are any photos of the 6th floor or roof during the motorcade... ??? Here are the 2nd story on left and 3rd story fire escape windows 3rd floor 2nd and 3rd stories with Altgens photo enlargement down Houston

Hang on a mo' Jim.... From Garrison... Abundant Life Church is associated with CRISMAN... of Maury Island fame https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maury_Island_incident The Library turned up dry.... but I don't think much was "investigated" at that church....

Hey there Paul... I have this as further support for that early shot... I agree with you that a shot at z157/158 happened and was noticed by Rosemary, Hickey and JFK I believe.. among others I know the image is terrible yet I believe your point is made... JFK drastically whips his head in what was supposed to be just a rip.. in a single frame Below is a little analysis of the "rip" FWIW Also below is Hickey looking at what some say was concrete dust flying up next to the limo as the result of a "ground level sound" as opposed to one originating much higher up... I believe Chris Davidson mathematically illustrates how/why the Towner film was "burnt".... finally, there is an amazingly strange anomaly in that Towner film which I will post about shortly. and by the way: Brennan had to have seen this, no? Mr. TRULY. That is right.And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn.Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb?Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here.Mr. BELIN. All right.

My pleasure... and as the story goes When they confronted Postal and asked about this man and whether he paid, she just started crying... every time... Butch Burroughs working with Julia but inside also claimed he served Oswald at the snack stand between 1 and 1:15... And a Jack Davis describes how Oswald moved from seat to seat in the theater.... Thanks to the great work of John Armstrong yet again.... http://harveyandlee.net/November/November_22.htm While I don't agree with 100% offered... this write-up is very detailed and addresses most all the activities including the strange behavior of WESTBROOK, CROY, BREWER and many others... Whether you agree with the H&L premise or not, this article is surely a must read to get a handle of the breadth of activity designed to GET OSWALD that day. Enjoy.... (in fact, Armstrong and Malcolm Blunt would visit the National Archives daily for weeks making copies in the early and mid 90's. Thanks to the great work of Bart Kemp, we are now starting to see the 10,000 or so docs Malcolm copied. DJ

I believe it was Brennan to Insp Sawyer.... as I remember it.... but after reading this thread it was probably the other way around... Sawyer was, IMO, one of the bad cops.... read his testimony as to what he did between 12:30 and 12:35... Amazing As to the 2nd important call... Julia Postal: Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; I told Johnny this, don't tell him, because he is an excitable person, and just have him, you know, go with you and examine the exits and check real good, so, he came back and said he hadn't seen anything although, he had heard a seat pop up like somebody getting out, but there was nobody around that area, so, I told Johnny about the fact that the President had been assassinated. "I don't know if this is the man they want," I said, "in there, but he is running from them for some reason," and I said "I am going to call the police, and you and Butch go get on each of the exit doors and stay there."So, well, I called the police, and he wanted to know why I thought it was their man, and I said, "Well, I didn't know," and he said, "Well, it fits the description," and I have not---I said I hadn't heard the description. All I know is, "This man is running from them for some reason." And he wanted to know why, and told him because everytime the sirens go by he would duck and he wanted to know----well, if he fits the description is what he says. I said, "Let me tell you what he looks like and you take it from there." And explained that he had on this brown sports shirt and I couldn't tell you what design it was, and medium height, ruddy looking to me, and he said, "Thank you," and I called the operator and asked him to look through the little hole and see if he could see anything and told him I had called the police, and what was happening, and he wanted to know if I wanted him to cut the picture off, and I says, "No, let's wait until they get here." So, seemed like I hung up the intercom phone when here all of a sudden, police cars, policemen, plainclothesmen, I never saw so many people in my life. And they raced in, and the next thing I knew, they were carrying----well, that is when I first heard Officer Tippit had been shot because some officer came in the box office and used the phone, said, "I think we have got our man on both accounts." "What two accounts?" And said, "Well, Officer Tippit's," shocked me, because Officer Tippit used to work part time for us years ago. I didn't know him personally.Mr. BALL. You mean he guarded the theatre?Mrs. POSTAL. On Friday nights and Saturdays, canvass the theatre, you know, and that----then they were bringing Oswald out the door over there and ----

One last tidbit from the last letter Craig wrote to Weisberg

With that description - I have a hard time seeing that Tippit was stopping our Oswald based on that description... If you search there are some great threads about the 5'10" 165, slender... etc... related Robert Webster... the other defector Marina met in Russia Even seems to have that same blank stare as Ozzie

At 12:45 this description was broadcast over both DPD channels.... whether the time is correct is hard to know Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30 caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or information. 12:45.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/T Disk/T Letter/Tartro Edgar F 06B.pdf

For the LNers... "Oswald did it" pack up, go home For the Conspiracy Realists, "you need to read 10 million pages to learn how he didn't do it and was set up" get to work as the evidence is literally strewn all over the Report, Hearings, Exhibits and WC Documents, of which there are over 1500 files with evidence that never saw the light of day (excuse the pun) Tommy, you've nailed it... which is also the reason "why would he do that" questions from LNers are so useless as we are now discussing the merits of an action that never occurred as opposed to the subject at hand...

Did you know it was ODUM who drove him there with the rifle? Mr. McCLOY. There was never any doubt in your mind what the rifle was from the minute you saw it?Mr. DAY. No, sir; It was stamped right on there, 6.5, and when en route to the office with Mr. Odum, the FBI agent who drove me in, he radioed it in, he radioed in what it was to the FBI over the air. The image on the right with 7.35 above it is the one and ONLY photograph of the caliber of some weapon they claimed was C2766 I have to admit in some versions it resembles a 5... yet we are to remember the William Harvey sourced report from Italy about which the CIA kept quiet. I also have a report from PINKSTON from 11/22 stating exactly what Jim said... he had lifted a latent print, location unidentified, and was told to get back to the TSBD (he had to rearrange boxes to take photos and such) leaving the rifle in his office, supposedly in a safe.... Pinkston claims years later (below) it was him who found Crescent and ultimately Kleins.... yet his reports say he spoke with AL YEARGAN of HL GREEN ( not Titche-Goettinger) who said they were the only ones selling Carcanos in Dallas, and they get their stock from Crescent/Adams/Louis Feldsott.... EVERYBODY gets to put their 2 cents in on that rifle... and it had nothing to do with the assassination but to incriminate Oswald... and ultimately make the SS, FBI, and Postal Inspectors look incredibly foolish....

Great stuff Richard... The County Records Building is also in perfect alignment..

I had considered that this was the real reason behind Roger Craig getting the treatment he did.... Nothing else he said would be a problem, at the time, until his getting into a Rambler - co-conspirators - would not be allowed. And for sure, Ruth Paine would not be allowed to suffer as a result of some random blurt out by the accused.... FWIW.... Talk about location no one would be looking toward as the limo drives away on Elm... https://www.google.com/maps/search/court+house+near+Dealey+Plaza,+Dallas,+TX/@32.7797486,-96.8071057,60a,35y,251.39h,69.65t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Mr. JENNER - There is a young fellow in the foreground-everybody else is facing the other way. He is in a pantomime, or grimace. Do you recognize that as Lee Harvey Oswald? Mr. PIC - No, sir; looking at that picture and I have looked at it several times--that looks more like Robert than it does Lee, to my recollection. Mr. JENNER - All right. On Exhibit No. 286, the lower right-hand corner, there is another picture. Do you recognize that as your brother Lee in that picture? Mr. PIC - Yes, sir; that is about how he looked when I seen him in 1962, his profile. Mr. JENNER - Do you recognize the person, the lady to the right who is pointing her finger at him? Mr. PIC - No, sir; I don't. Mr. JENNER - Exhibit No. 287 is two figures, taking them from top to bottom and in the lower right-hand corner, do you recognize those? Mr. PIC - No, sir; I don't. Mr. JENNER - Neither one of them? Mr. PIC - No, sir. The lower one appears to me to look like Robert rather than Lee. The upper one, unless they tell me that, I would never guess that that would be Lee, sir.

Hadn’t looked a it that way... TSBD is also 7 stories... you think the man he sees is in the Easternmost window on the 6th floor Dal Tex? he is talking about the Dal Tex fire escape but that’s on the West side of DalTex... So ur talking 3rd window over, 6th or 7th floor Dal Tex was his original location for a shooter? Due North from Brennan runs right into west side fire escape Of Dal Tex.... that link I posted... Interesting.... That image reminded me.... Harry Weatherford Was on the Court house roof with a Rifle....

The photo is Lee John.... Robert had nothing to do with the March 59 date...that was Gorsky or did you find something referring to that? Maybe Harvey was there in Feb '58... yet that was the time they lived at the Senator Hotel and he worked for Pfisterers.... Robert's in this up to his eyeballs.... or at least he has some amazing inside knowledge.... well at least Sept is closer than Feb Mr. OSWALD. I would say in between the leave in 1958, and his letter received, postmarked in June 1959, I would not have received over two or three letters.Mr. JENNER. His leave in '58 was when, again, please?Mr. OSWALD. I recall this to be in the early fall of the year-perhaps September.