David Josephs

Nice to see ya David.... Hope you and yours are doing well DJ ps... that 0184 was allowed to simply fade into history given the impossibility of it NOT being a print made between 0183 and 0185.

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deleted... Greg, I wish you all the luck and success you can find... I'd only suggest to dig a bit more deeply before offering "conclusions", as opposed to theories or hypotheses. Some thoughts to consider TOMLINSON's bullet is never authenticated as CE399... in fact, CE399 comes into existence when ROWLEY hands it to TODD CE2011 p.2. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=430&tab=page Bullets do enter without exiting... FBI reports a bullet behind the ear IN ADDITION TO the bullet they are calling CE399 Paul O'connor tells us a bullet was removed from the intercostal muscles in the lower right side of JFK's back A Dr. Young tells us corpsmen were sent to retrieve bone pieces and find another fully intact bullet.... Cliff V is mentioning an exotic item that did exist and very possibly was employed to "freeze" JFK in place.... A lower neck wound was described by LIPSEY which exited the throat... LIPSEY also tells us the body was flown by helicopter to Bethesda and brought in the back... Dennis David and a number of others confirm this arrival. Problem again, that creates to many shots from the rear for one man.... You have considered DAL-TEX and COUNTY COURTHOUSE to the East and then the south knoll area....for shot origination ? Ford moved the hole to make it appear it was coming on a downward trajectory and match the other Ryberg image.... when in fact the evidence says it rose in an upward trajectory from back to front... rose up.... And then there are the realities of what a 6.5mm bullet leaves behind as it tunnels thru soft tissue... how JFK was actually sitting, the steep angle of the Connally entrance(s) and finally the right to left movement of the bullet and supposed downward trajectory would have hit the seat after exiting JFK's chest... A scene from a reenactment... 5 1/4 inches down from the collar is where the red line (bullet) enters... JFK is sitting fairly straight up and that entry appears to match the hole in the shirt from the image I posted above... Elm is on a 3 degree slope as well, creating a steeper angle downward... to connect back to front the angle must rise.... so Ford moves the hole.... since adding a second hole there is not possible with 1 shooter... and only 3 bullets used. The backward and to the left particle trail of fragments which originate at the right temple and spread back and to the left from there... here is the entry and the location of the fragments below There has been enough work done to prove these fragments could not have originated from a rear shot. With the larger fragments nears the rear it makes sense since the mass was enough to make it the farthest distances... the "cloud" of fragments which we see at the front were too small to travel that far.... Bottom line Greg, this is a 10,000 piece puzzle of which we only have 2500 pieces 1/3 are blank, 1/3 come from a different puzzle and 1/3 has the evidence offered and found in 5+ years... the picture on the box simply doesn't match the pieces provided... Take care DJ

None taken Greg... yet no one said it would be easy... it's taken me years of working with it to understand, and I still have nowhere near the understanding of the math that Chris does... but I get it once it's down on the paper. There's a lot more to it than just a couple sentences does justice... Point of it all was to show 2 and only 2 shots hitting the limo occupants.. and remove all evidence of other shots despite what the witnesses saw or heard. The Zfilm was altered to remove frames while the FBI/SS falsifies the data. Math proves it... It also strongly supports that the film's assassination sequence (z133 - z486) was taken at 48 frames per second not 16 (he 2 settings are the only options) and then reduced from there to it's current 486 frames at 18.3 frames per second Shaneyfelt moved the limo off its path by moving it 1.1 foot south and .9 foot UP Elm... this makes the MATH work but not the film to the evidence The survey notes, the original notes from WEST prove the FBI and SS removed shots, moved locations and generally ignored the initial survey results... that Z313 was shot #2 and at station 4+96 down by the stairs and Emmett Hudson, another shot is recorded... The yellow curbs are important as in the Zfilm we see the z313 yellow curb just in front of Moorman, and the one further down Elm is by Altgens... Mr. ALTGENS - This would put me at approximately this area here, which would be about 15 feet from me at the time he was shot in the head--about 15 feet from the car on the west side of the car--on the side that Mrs. Kennedy was riding in the car.

Uh, Tracy.... then why would they bother taking a photo against a height scale? Despite how FUBAR it is... You want a crack at explaining this?

Real quick about that throat wound.... Mr. Rankin: Then there‘s a great range of material in regards to the wound and the autopsy and this point of exit or entrance of the bullet in the front of the neck, and that all has to be developed much more than we have at the present time. We have an explanation there in the autopsy that probably a fragment came out the front of the neck, but with the elevation the shot must have come from, and the angle, it seems quite apparent, since we have the picture of where the bullet entered in the back, that the bullet entered below the shoulder blade to the right of the backbone, which is below the place where the picture shows the bullet came out in the neckband of the shirt in front, and the bullet, according to the autopsy didn't strike any bone at all, that particular bullet, and go through. So that how it could turn, and -- Rep. Boggs. I thought I read that bullet just went in a finger's length. Mr. Rankin. That is what they first said Now, if you go to the autopsy you will not find this passage anywhere... not the autopsy the public finally sees.... so one has to wonder from what document Rankin is reading... there are other problems with there being 2 autopsy reports but that's not for this thread. What I still have yet to learn is from which Autopsy this unknown info comes.... since Humes supposedly burned everything.... I'd like to address your whole post, which I will, but want to answer this question first.... Chris knows to correct anything I misstate below... he's 3 or 4 levels deeper into the subject... and the originator of the use of Math in quantifying the fraud. === As to what MATH RULES shows.... Shaneyfelt moved the path of the limo off the Robert West surveyor path, to one which enables the limo to appear in the same place yet at the wrong frame # (which were also created by Shaneyfelt) By changing 168 to 161 in CE884 they take a distance of .9 feet over 3 frames or 2.24mph, to 5 frames 161-166 or a little over 3mph... Below is the limo shown both as the Zfilm had him at 161, and superimposed over that is where Shaneyfelt put the limo at 168... The Line of sight from Zapruder to limo would show JFK in the exact same Line... (which was why they messed with the lane markers afterward) yet the frame # would be wrong... 7 more from the start (168-161=7) 5 fewer for the end (171-166=5)... 3 frames for speed adjustment and 18.3 fps.... The red arrows shows the surveyed path, pink is LOS for Zapruder, Green is Zapruder frame 205 when the left front fender clears the sign. Different analysis uses the front bumper, the back bumper and JFK in the limo 15.2 feet from the front as frame locations... This was accomplished by moving the limo - physically moving the stand-in limo.. then, looking thru the camera on the pedestal and matching it to the Zfilm... Chris here shows that due south from Position A is the divergence point for Shaneyfelt and my note explains what he did CE884 changed in a few key areas...This legend and the original work of Robert West secured by Tom Purvis many years ago challenges everythin you may know about the Zfilm. Don't we have all sorts of strangeness with Z207 -z222 on the film? Same places yet new and different frame numbers... The WHY was to sync the scant few images/films of the shooting around 313 and work backward... It was also to remove the correct number of frames between 132 and 133.... The B&W image shows the limo stand-in at Position A... the Queen Mary right on its tail... Not only was this turn removed, but they had to wait until the QM was again right behind the limo... Otherwise, why include a spot the limo supposedly did not move thru... if the limo does Mr. SHANEYFELT. This shows the photograph that was made from the point where Zapruder was standing looking toward the car, and is a point that we have designated as position A because it is in a position that did not appear on the Zapruder filmThe Zapruder film does not start until the car gets farther down Elm Street.Mr. SHANEYFELT. What is that exhibit number?Mr. SHANEYFELT. Exhibit No. 886.Mr. SPECTER. And why was that location selected for the position of the car?Mr. SHANEYFELT. This location was selected as the first point at which a person in the sixth floor window of the Book Building at our control point could have gotten a shot at the President after the car had rounded the corner from Houston to Elm Seems like that limo could roll back up Elm quite a bit and we stil lcould see and hit that spot on his back... Chris also proves why the stand-in car was 10" higher than the limo Note: we have - supposedly - the actual frame by frame film of the assassination from this angle... why recreate it? Why survey and resurvey 4 and 5 times? This is what the turn might have actually looked like. Shaneyfelt refers to the very important Station C as where he WOULD HAVE TURNED... but they simply ignore TRULY's statement about the limo turning wide and almost hitting the little Elm curb. A limo at 11.2 mph travels farther in 3 frames than .9 foot. The speed was averaged and for very good reason... But what we don't see it this massive slowing and accelerating necessary to match CE884's data.... which in turn was designed to all work back to the 6th floor window... The frame rates given for Zapruder and Towner are simply wrong and used to hide the cuts and overlaps.... No camera operates at 22 fps... neither does it operate at 18.3 frames per second (note: the pitch of Elm is exactly 18.3:1 run over rise... so every second of film we should travel 18.3 feet.. makes the math much easier) A theory held for quite some time is that with a flick of his finger, 16fps jumps to 48fps... and Zapruder now has 3x as many frames as regular speed.... Take out 25% of the frames from 48 you have 36 fps.... take 50% of those out of the film and we get 18 frames per second and with a few adjustments we can get 18.3fps... Now, the MATH he uses gets deep into angles, distances and locations... by reading the thread you realize the FBI simply changed the evidence to fit the need... Where have we hear THAT before? DJ FWIW, the dots on the plat from Shaneyfelt align exactly to the frames used by the NPIC Sunday night to create the briefing boards... Coincidence? Doubt it, right?

Have you done a single thing on your own? Have you even bothered to check into what Josh is saying? How many photographs of the assassination sequence do you think there are? 100's? FFS.... here is a graphic showing ALL the photos taken and the items within their field of view... how many actually capture anything between z161 and z400? Betzner, Willis and Croft catch the limo before Z200 (If you don't understand the Towner to Zapruder sync - go do some research please) Altgens at 255 or so.... Moorman, Muchmore (whose FBI report states she did not take any film of the assassination shots - see below) Bond - all after the limo leaves Moorman is the only photo of the assassination occurring at an important time.... (edit: got to include Altgens as important but only the Zfilm has another image of that instant... quite a MASS, huh?) In terms of films... Towner, Muchmore, Nix, Zapruder, Bronson.... how about you give us the chain of custody for all these films and their copies.... Or explain how they were set to frame rates in the low 20's and high teens... as opposed to actual camera settings of 16 and 48 frames per second So explain how Moorman's photo is "self-authenticating"... as compared to which other photo/film and synced up how? (if you read the MATH RULES thread you'd have a small clue) As you can see there is no MASS of interacting images.... Muchmore doesn't contradict Zapruder or the others as a real shot did hit somewhere in that area give or take about 4 feet.... The FBI had months to pull this all together.... WCD298 does just that... and is filled with information which betrays what the FBI did. Then again you STILL aint gonna learn what you dont wanna know... so, whatever... right? Generalities and non-sequitur is no way for you boys to be making your case... using COINTELPRO tactics whether with awareness or not doesn't change the tactic or result. Acting dumb simply because the evidence and authentication process is not to your liking... asking for more and more proof of the same things.... it goes on and on Jeremy If you're not here to disrupt, what would you call it? Present authenticated evidence.... and try to explain your reply on your own.... which MASS of interaction are you looking at?

When Max Phillips sent a film to Rowley in DC on 11/22, he wrote a note... This "Note" at the end suggests those frames may indeed have been on THAT copy... except after that evening we do not know what happens to that film... do we now know? DJ ps... "the 3rd print is forwarded...." 2 to Sorrels... so one of the Sorrels films was NOT the one he sends to DC Zapruder had "master" and best copy... thats 1 original and 4, not 3 copies. 0184? CD - 87 Folder 1 CO2 34030 11/22 9:55 To: Chief Rowley From: Max D. Phillips Subject: 8mm movie film showing President Kennedy being shot Enclosed is an 8mm movie film taken by Mr. A. Zapruder, 501 Elm St., Dallas Texas (RI8-6071) Mr.. Zapruder was photographing the President at the instant he was shot. According to Mr. Zapruder, the position of the assassin was behind Mr. Zapruder. Note: Disregard personnel scenes shown on Mr. Zapruder’s film.. Mr. Zapruder is in custody of the "master" film. Two prints were given to SAIC Sorrels, this date. The third print is forwarded.

Anthony... you have more supporters than you know, then. I'd highly suggest you read the SWAN SONG - MATH RULES thread.... it is long and very complicated but worth the time and effort... you will see the FBI, Shaneyfelt and Gauthier and gang for who they were and what they did....in WCD298 and CE884 Conclusions are similar... only that thread shows the math employed to sync the data to the 6th floor TSBD as opposed to where & when the shots actually originated... sync all the data, films, photos into charts measurements and locations that simply doesn't work in Dealey Plaza.. In the process we see how and where the films were altered to cover a 2nd headshot, limo stop, a shot at z154. the crazy numbering of the frames, the timing discrepancies, the wide turn onto Elm, the shot further down past z313.... Same for you Greg... you present quite a lot of "accepted" info... I think a careful read of that MATH read will help you see things in a different light... FWIW DJ Use this search for "MATH" in thread titles... there are a number of generations of that thread thanks to Chris D.... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/search/?q=math rules&quick=1&type=forums_topic&search_in=titles

What a sweet set of documentation Bill... my conclusions the subject come from a few docs I've come across... a couple attached... as I did my reaseach and going thru the new release. It seemed to me that JUNE COBB LICOOKIE was also backing the GARRO/??? play... . (attached).... I like to ponder the chances the "Spread art via the CIA to the World" program would back Ms Garros via Phillips to make such an accusation... and stick to it...... seems to me again that many many roads lead to DAP... Thanks again DJ 76-12-04 FILES FOUND - JUNE COBB OCT 5 64 STILL TALKING ABOUT THE PAZ PARTY 104-10012-10038.pdf

Sorry, the 1st article by Hoch is dated in 1977... and I didn't catch the 1984 date on the Rose article in the end notes... I saw that the entire thing was dated in 1985.... So from you're understanding, when in the timeline does DURAN become aware Mexi Oswald wasn't Ruby's Oswald... before or after her HSCA testimony?

Bill - all you need do is read the work .... be like trying to explain State Secret in a few sentences.... the concept is easy to understand just like this one - it wasn't Oswald -... showing the evidence for what it is takes a bit more time. I'm sorry we are disconnected here and that it takes me a bit longer to explain what I see as a fairly complicated situation. Correct Bill... didn't read the Rose article but I have "Conspiracy" and have been thru that.... I prefer to use the source documents like I do with H&L or any other subject for that matter.... They do seem to speak volumes on their own... which is again why I include them in my posts... they are an integral part of how I present my analysis.... I posted the passage from the Lopez report (Same source where Summers/Rose got the info?) How else did we/Summers/HSCA find out Duran's description was of a different person? I looked up the reference in end-note 5 in Conspiracy p.376, and it offers nothing about DURAN or photos of Oswald, only that Summers "reluctantly" reaches the conclusion about an Oswald impersonator being very possible... The WCR has left me with a bad taste for footnotes that do not support or refer to the passage footnoted.... why bother if the note doesn't clarify the passage? I posted the Lopez/Duran discussion along with AZCUE's denial of Oswald earlier.... If someone was lucky enough to find and read Rose's article... or "Conspiracy", great.... the Rose article was in 1977... so unless they were privy to this Lopez conversation, there must have been other signs it wasn't actually Oswald from the evidence... This I both say and prove in my series of articles on the topic. === Rose takes 7 pages to summarize what he learned in the book CONSPIRACY about Oswald and Mexico... How exactly do you want me to sum up hundreds pages of analysis and research on thousands of documents without taking a few paragraphs... Why do you NEVER address the DURAN question about her lying about OSWALD to the HSCA if she knew in 1977 as did AZCUE that it was not Oswald....? Why redact LITANIL/9 reports about Oswald not being there for 50+ years - didn't help the WCR case much, did it? I'm not sure why we're having all this difficulty communicating.... do you want, like, 5 sentences to sum up years of work? It remains the totality of the evidence which creates the wall... not the composition of the bricks. What "double dealing" about Oswald's trip to Mexico do you think Hoover was referring to in January 1964? And like "Patsy", "Double-dealing" has a deeper meaning here... "double" here could be taken to mean Hoover knew the CIA knew where Oswald was, and that's why they used him at that moment... I wanted to use the source documents themselves... plus with L/9 no longer redacted and the Lopez report available, and more notes on the CIA dog and pony visits of staffers down there... I guess I am confirming/re-examining what Weisberg mentions/concludes over 10 years prior to Summers in a piece called "Could Oswald have visited Sylvia Odio?" which is fully endnoted with WCD and WCE documents.... Rose offers 3 areas of concentration: Hotel Registry, fellow passengers, & bus/frontier evidence... all of which I repeatedly addressed on the pages of this and many other threads... The Sept 17 tourist visa made out to "LEE, HARVEY OSWALD" is signed "Lee H. Oswald" in a hand we've seen repeatedly and is recognized as the signature of the man Ruby killed... yet the Hotel Registry (one of Rose's main points) is signed "Lee, Harvey Oswald" as it appears on the Visa... OCHOA is the source for the HOTEL REGISTRY... something Summers hadn't learned. Speaking of OCHOA... The first response we see from GOBERNACION is on Nov 8th - Crawford's report shown in the FBI composite of Mexi informants looking for Oswald - prev post... - and there is they have NO INFORMATION on Oswald... we have to consider they asked OCHOA at Gobernacion given his position and place as an FBI asset. Then not again until DEC 3, 1963... when the FBI finally starts to get the evidence from OCHOA, and Mexico in general https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=61172#relPageId=2&tab=page fbi oswald mexico city file (105-3702)/ NARA Record Number: 124-10243-10017 Rose cites the same things: Hotel registry anomalies among process, procedure, handwriting... it appears as if all the names were written in by the same person which is procedure if all checked in prior to that same day... but they're all the same except Oswald's... and then his is the only name block lettered for the remainder of his "stay" Rose calls out these as seen in CONSPIRACY. but fails to mention OCHOA or the Dec 3 1963 docs like the one above listing everything... "Fellow passengers" is Jerry's next batch of problems... I spend numerous pages in the work tracking these "witnesses" and finding they were planted, never on the buses, on different buses (eg.. in Monterrey a new group of passengers gets on the FLECHA ROJAS bus on which they've put Oswald. The WCR publishes the passenger list and departing time... The Aussie girls who stopped in Monterrey before getting back on the bus to Mexico City are of course not on this list since they took the DEL NORTE bus... The FBI can't decide which of the bus lines to put him on.... one of the girls claims they called him "Texas" as he kept saying he was from Fort Worth... despite the McFarlands claiming he told them he was from New Orleans.... Then there's BOWEN/OSBORNE who does not confirm it was Oswald, in fact quite to opposite stating there were no other English speaking people on the bus. As I said Bill... I spent many, many pages of analysis on these "fellow traveler" statements only to find out that the FBI could find virtually every person mentioned, except Oswald. Paula Rusioni was placed on the DEL NORTE bus leaving 8:30am Oct 2nd... (among a number of others whose stories also do not pan out) except Del Norte did not create passenger lists according to the information https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11550#relPageId=53 WCD1154 p20... yet there it is and with an amazing assortment of names... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11183&relPageId=5 WCD785 p4... they claimed Oswald was in seat 12 listed as "Chihuahuenses" PAULA is never found and her ticket number was never issued... according to the investigation. Finally Rose offers the "bus and frontier" records as further proof Oswald didn't go... The perpetually cheap/frugal Oswald would have bought a 3 or 4 part ticket to Mexico from New Orleans... instead he supposedly travels piece-meal buying a ticket at each stop.... He talks about the FLECHA ROJAS conflict on his way down and that like the other 3 bus lines, the records for those days were taken the day of the assassination... as were copies sent to other border crossings and Mexico City... Arturo BOSCH literally takes a pen and changes a FRONTERA manifest to include Oswald, the FBI uses FRONTERA as Oswald's bus line for months...before finding out it didn't work, and changed it to Del Norte... how much PROOF do you need Bill? The inverted name from LH Oswald to HO Lee is interesting yet as I pointed out... when it came time to see the FM-11 and other "recap" documents, he is repeated alphabetized under OSWALD, "O"... almost as if they were retyped... quite a level of Hubris in compiling this "evidence" and then recompiling it again in March/Apr/May 1964... with even more stragglers in Aug/Sept... right up to publication with the discovery Sept 14th there was a bus to Houston at 12:20 he could have taken... MUST have taken as no other bus works, yet neither did this one as it gets to Houston at around 11pm... well after the call to the TWIFORDS was supposed to have happened.... Rose finishes by looking at the specifics of the return trip.... Had you ever wondered about the HIDEEL VACCINATION CARD found in his possession with JUNE 8 stamped all over the practice area? By having it in evidence they could avoid the fact there were no records of Vaccination for Oswald on the trip... so he MUST have had something to show them.. When these were created is a mystery as the Stamp kit was not something that existed until the evidence returned from the FBI on Nov 24th to be picked up again on the 26th... OCHOA add "notes for clarity" to the FM-11 record for Oswald and tells FBI that they must return all items as they are internal government docs and should not be out of his control.... That he was in a "car" at any point in time going in or out was part of the CIA plan to put Ozzie with Cuban conspirators... Even the one investigation of the "young couple" was turned on its head since the people who went into Mexico are not the people the FBI investigated... SOP.... The FBI changes its mind about the journey's evidence repeatedly because as it is being constructed they find conflicts which require earlier travel to change so later KNOWN appointments like the TEC on Oct 3rd can be met.... this is SOP for the FBI... fit the timeline of Oswald's movements to known, fixed event times.... The VISA application from Sept 17th as offered in the WCR is split over 2 images.. one image has no signature, the other no No. or Serie: 24085... The application is for a 6 month stay and nowhere but the Visa itself do we see a 15 day limit... https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1141#relPageId=708&tab=page All the dates are designed to just work in our timeline... 15 days from Sept 17 to Oct 2.... 5 days/nights from Sept 27 to Oct 2 based on the allowable time on the back of the visa (which again makes little sense if it was a 6 month or 15-day visa.... If this doesn't do it for you I recommend reading the articles themselves... If that's no good either... I guess I need to come up with something a 5th grader would understand... Thanks for taking the time and for your thoughts.... you remain one of the most important sources of info as well as a shining light in our community. Many, many others have told me the work changed their minds about Oswald being in Dallas with Odio, not in Mexico... I hope it can do that for you to some day... Take care DJ

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-index A number of years ago now I undertook to examine the documentary evidence related to the infamous trip to Mexico City... Not all the info currently represents my POV... I do not think it was LEE rather than Harvey on the trip... rather than Lee and group leave more conflicting evidence throughout southern TX radio stations. I am working on updates and a more visual presentation... but I got a day job too... With what we now knew of the WCR, this statement from Lopez and a bad forgery job on a hotel registry led me on my way. Lopez choosing not to re-investigate gives the WCR story the seal of approval... Even if they don't know what happened down there, surely the journey - like a trail of breadcrumbs - would lead us to some answers.... Enjoy! and please feel free to address any questions about the journey here. DJ The WCR did not correctly establish a single thing as far as I've been able to find... The link above is to 6 chapters examining in details the trip's evidence...Parts 3 and 4 are especially meaty yet there were activities which transpired that most are completely unaware such as the bus manifests only for Sept 26/27 and Oct 2/3 are taken by "presidential staff" within hours of the assassination... One of them - the Frontera return trip - is specifically altered in front of witnesses by Arturo Bosch to add Oswald and change the dates and bus info... Part 1 is more a look at the history... Part 2 brings us to Laredo... Part 3 to Mexico City via Monterrey and the Aussie girls Part 4 is the lead-up to leaving... Part 5 begins the morning of Oct 2nd and the infamous taxi charade... and gets us to Dallas. Part 6 is a chronological recap discussion The manner by which the WCR shrugs off conclusions supported by faked evidence for months, NEVER begs the question... why was it altered in the first place?

Let's follow along, shall we? The 6th grade LEE (far right) was one of the larges in his class... a leader and a bully... In Aug 1953 ROBERT claims to have taken this photo of his brother at Bronx Zoo 1 month later at PS 44 he is 5'4" 115 lbs which he had been all thru 7th grade as well... (The autopsy of Oswald says 5'9" 135... when he leaves the marines 5'10" 150.) Anyway, as I mentioned above, the FBI starts with 3/23/53 and carries to 1/12/54... (I wrote 7th above, my bad)... 171 11/2 days present... 18 11/2 days absent... 11/2 + 11/2 = 11 + 171 + 18 = 200 days Now the Calendar below... come count with me March 23 1953 thru Jan 12, 1954 is 200 days of school.... and in '53 he his at Youth House Apr 14 thru May 8th. School ends 3rd or 4th week of June... 180 days total per semester give or take 109 3/2 + 15 3/2 = 109 + 15 + 3 = 127 days.... from March 23 to June 26th ... 7 days in March + 22 full days in April + 21 full days in May + 20 full days in June... 7 + 22 + 21 + 20 = 70 possible school days without Youth house Mark... what's going on here? The FBI deep dive not only shows the records to be wrong... but we have 3 different copies of the single child's cumulative record for NYC... how dat? Give the earlier version in the center... which form w=matches the one on the left yet the writing is different, and has no relationship at all to the version on the right... The was FBI SOP for the day.... copies not originals... and different versions of the same item despite there having only been 1 original... (they recreated his TSBD application for pete sake).... And yet you cannot see the conflicts in 1954...which lead to Harvey attending Stripling in Sept/Oct 54... "sometimes the light is shining on me...other times I can barely see"

So to you it is rational to have conflicting grade, middle & high school records in an effort to explain the killer... but only if he’s killed before trial, etc, etc.... Then why do they conflict so? You’d think if they were doing what u suggest the info would be Authenticated.... and tell a single story... (we haven’t even touched on the residences and their conflicts but u ain’t gonna learn what u don’t wanna know.....) Let’s look at NYC, a simple one, ...how many school days are there from March 23 to mid June.... 20 days per month minus his time at youth house in April/may Plus 15 absences... 125 days of school in 3.5 mos... nice trick... you think a school administrator would have entered that stupid a number? Nope, FBI did the math using 200 days from March 23 to Jan 7... and mistakenly included summer school in the total... It was Dulles who said people don’t read, so few will even bother.... especially since it was not indexed and the same subject reports are scattered over 10 million pages.... There’s so much of which you are unaware yet do you tread softly.... you never answered where u come from on this... How much have you actually read of the original material... the book, the CD, and especially Baylor’s archive....? ... or is that to troublesome to admit?

Guess so Bill. One of the most document heavy subjects we have.... and yet the images below don’t help u see clearly and concisely, he wasn’t there... This statement got me started along with the Faked hotel registry matching the bs tourist visa Lee, Harvey Oswald... OH LEE.... Between Mann and FBI sources... And Ochoa... only the CIA remains the sole source.. Enough tit-for-tat for one day, yeah? What the WCR says is pure junk... Lopez and Hardaway were snowed.... it offers none of these report’s conclusions for good reason...

Bill, I don’t know why you are choosing this path of discussion. If the photo on the apps they show her in 1978 are not the man who was there, makes sense the Lopez report took so long to get released and why Sprague was removed... Why can’t you answer the question Bill? If Duran knows it’s not Oswald, and Azcue knows, and Litamil/9 says he was never there... and the FBI FUBARs the investigation... ....how is that her NOT LYING about it 15 years later when she most certainly knew it was not Oswald when asked about it... CORNWELL - Okay. What specifically about the report was it that makes you angry?TIRADO - That I was a--let me see how to say it--, I don't remember exactly, but uh, I did more to Oswald when he was here than was my job, that it was extra. LOPEZ - Did you ever have a conversation with Azcue when Oswald was not in the office about the possibility that he was an intelligence agent for some country?TIRADO - No, no. I don't think so. We only thought that he was a crazy man, an adventurer, or something like that.LEAP - Did it ever enter your mind that that he was a penetration agent?TIRADO - Perhaps. Perhaps, because it happened, it happened sometimes that somebody came and say this is a policeman or something like that. TIRADO - .....So, Azcue went to the door, he opened the door and told Oswald to go away I think we both know Azcue’s job re an American Communist... recruit, question, delay.... but not this time? The items I listed all pan out as well Bill... for you to dismiss them out of hand seems out of character... Besides, instead of Having me repeatedly proving the negative... prove he was there... when they show none of the evidence can be tied to Oswald.... just this OTHER” Second person.... so Hooveresque DJ

Does she confirm Azcue’s statement that it was not the man Ruby killed? iow, she knew it was not Oswald yet continued on as if it was... how is that not lying? As for 5 things... Odio Evidence of the journey in total, you’d have to read the articles... 1500 docs to hide that he didn’t go... The call transcripts and timings Litamil 9 & 7 Summary Reports of all intel activity never mention Oswald 9/28 Sports Drome Marina’s lies about Mex The ticket found by Marina in Aug 64 Ochoa and the hotel registry, FM11 which puts HOLee under “O” Gaudet and 9/17 The Paine typewriter letter reiterating those 15 days back from Oct 2... to 9/17 when the clock doesn’t start until the traveler gets there... la PAZ bs rave story Alvarado as CIA asset trying to place Ozzie there on the 18th.... the taxi story from morning of 10/2 did I mention Odio?

Thanks John... COINTELPRO has been around a while... and the info is easily found.... before the internet, organizations still communicated via newsletter and meetings.... the techniques work regardless of delivery method.... COINTELPRO (syllabic abbreviation derived from COunter INTELligence PROgram) (1956–1979, and beyond) is a series of covert and illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations....

That would be the FBI John....

I’m thinking Pervasive more so than random... FBI did that in virtually every area of the case.

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Nothing is “self-authenticating” Jon.... especially in the FBI’s grab bag of bs evidence... How does the zfilm accomplish this Jon? When we know for a fact it was heavily altered....? In fact, use whatever image or film u like and please explain SELF AUTHENTICATING.... And then look up what evidence authentication means... I can’t speak for JB... he and I have had our disagreements over what he sees in photos, films..... But I have truly never seen or heard something so oxymoronic.... as self/authentication.... in evidence. Authenticating a photo usually doesn’t require a chain of custody because usually the FBI isn’t trying to frame an innocent man... In this case Jon, nothing is real or authentic until proven so.... hope that’s not news to you.... In this case.. Zapruder claiming the film’s authenticity in no way authenticates his film... we must look at chain of possession and the testimony of those who saw it before and after.... And on and on with all the evidence... then there’s the number of times FBI reports find a certain conclusion from the evidence they offer does not work... so that evidence is simply dropped for evidence that works.... case in point... Please read this... It shows the FBI confronting a conclusion which doesn’t work... La Frontera.... and showing how improbable it was.... no matter, just replace, rinse and repeat... Take care DJ ===== A photograph of a crime scene would be considered “documentary evidence.” The ultimate purpose of a “chain of custody” with evidence is to provide “authentication” of that evidence so that it is admissible in court. The Federal Rules of Evidence state, “the requirement of authentication or identification as a condition precedent to admissibility is satisfied by evidence sufficient to support a finding that the matter in question is what its proponent claims.” (USCS Fed. Rules Evid. R 901). This means that the person introducing the evidence must provide sufficient proof that the evidence is what that person claims. Thus, the chain of custody is typically used to ensure that evidence is not tampered with or altered and that the “identity and integrity” of the evidence remains intact. This “authenticates” the evidence in court so that it is admissible. Photographs are typically authenticated by a person who is familiar with the scene that was photographed providing testimony that the image in the photograph “fairly and accurately depicts the scene as it was at the time in question.” Anyone familiar with the scene can authenticate a photograph and it does not necessarily have to be the photographer. That being said, the “chain of custody” is not usually part of “authenticating” a photograph, rather, authentication of a photograph leans more towards a person being able to testify that the photograph “fairly and accurately depicts the scene as it was at the time in question.”

Standard COINTELPRO techniques for disrupting forums... google them... it makes an interesting read.... 1954, concentrate.... why don’t the records match boys?

Bill is in another league altogether.... I am still working on a easier to digest version of the info... all in good time. I really spent my time on the journey and the dates before and after... Like 1954, ...the FBI went the extra mile piling on the BS.... Like the discovery of the 12:20pm bus to Houston... not part of a ticket to Laredo or Mexico City... just Houston ...and the details tell us he was headed for the Greyhound Terminal in New Orleans (Del Norte in Mexico)... not Continental which becomes Flecha Rojas from there it only gets worse... btw... currently digesting a 20 page Weisberg analysis of the trip I came across in his files... he always seems to spark a new line of thinking... amazing really. DJ The first interview with Green on the 10th, no bus for Ozzie On "Dec 16" we now have a bus... but for some reason we have a virtually identical report but in September 1964... at the moment of the WCR publishing... Ballsy.